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Trees' Leaves Grow At a Cool 70° All Over the World

biogeochick writes "Ever turn on the air conditioner on a hot day? How about a heater when it gets cold? OK, so we all know that humans act to keep themselves cool, but what about trees? A recent article on tree core isotopic evidence has shown that trees from tropical to boreal forests all grow at 70 degrees. The study, published in Nature by some fantastic researchers (so one of them is my adviser, so sue me) and covered by NPR on All Things Considered, has shed some light on the convergent temperature at which trees perform photosynthesis." Update: 06/19 21:31 GMT by T : I give, I give -- that's 70 degrees Fahrenheit.

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  1. Or in Celsius by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's about 21.11 degrees Celsius.

    Americans really need to start using the metric system. Honestly, it really is worth the effort to switch.

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    1. Re:Or in Celsius by moore.dustin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Obviously not.

    2. Re:Or in Celsius by bucky0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >Honestly, it really is worth the effort to switch.

      Really? I'm a physicist and spend all my professional time working in m/s/kg units, but outside of that, what does it matter? We changed over the easier things, but the bit that's left (espcially feet/inches) don't justify the amount it would cost us to retool everything to use metric.

      I never did get the obsession other people have with the units we use in the states.

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    3. Re:Or in Celsius by Applekid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I never did get the obsession other people have with the units we use in the states. It's merely a point of contention for the "we're right, you're wrong" nationalistic crowd. Same with dates: MM/DD/YYYY, DD-MM-YYYY, YYYY.MM.DD, so on and so on.

      I'm sure a war or two has been fought over whether toilet paper should be hung in the proper overhand fashion or the grotesque underhand abomination.
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    4. Re:Or in Celsius by vajaradakini · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, clearly everything runs smoothly when people work in different units. Nothing could ever go wrong. Nobody could spend millions on a probe only to smash it into a planet instead, right?

      Sometimes it's worth an inconvenience...

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    5. Re:Or in Celsius by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because it makes it very difficult to communicate things like that with Americans. How would you like it if you did a lot of business with Europe, but they still used cartwheels, furlongs, leagues, and all that stuff? The problem is communication. The rest of the world has seen value in the metric system and switched. But we have a huge problem in a very large country refuses to switch, necessitating the need to artificially extend the life of an archaic system of units.

      And for the record, I'm Canadian, living in the US. I STILL haven't gotten a feel for American units, but I'm getting a little better at doing the conversions in my head. That being said, I had no idea what 70F was until googling it.

    6. Re:Or in Celsius by corsec67 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      YYYY.MM.DD

      That is the only one that actually makes sense, since the rest of our numbering systems, including time, are big-endian. I happen to like a certain 13 month calendar as well, so that would be MM from 01 to 13, and DD from 01 to 28, or to 35 in a leap year.

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    7. Re:Or in Celsius by Hatta · · Score: 5, Insightful

      YYYY-MM-DD(ISO 8601) is the only correct format. When you specify dates in that format, you can sort things chronologically simply by sorting them alphanumerically.

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    8. Re:Or in Celsius by halsver · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Given that this is a scientific article, I'd imagine Celsius would be more appropriate.
      For daily living, where during the course of a day the temperature changes less than 30 degrees Fahrenheit from morning to night. Would I rather see the temperature change in smaller increments or larger ones? In casual conversation do we really need to go into decimal points describing something?
      Temperature and a person's dimensions are in my opinion better in imperial measure. Someone who is 1.82 meters tall and someone who is 1.80 are about the same, but in America one of them is 6ft and one of them is 5' 11". I'll bet the person who is 5'11" rounds up all the time, but does the person who is 1.80? To me the significance of the information is lost with the metric measure, I supposed if you grow up with it works for you.

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    9. Re:Or in Celsius by NotBornYesterday · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We buy our milk in gallon jugs, but our soda in 2-liter bottles. However, if you buy soda in quantities less than 1 liter, the measurements switch over to ounces. Every ruler/tape measure/etc. I have had for the past 30 years has been dual-marked with inches and centimeters. Our toilets and urinals are marked "1 gallon / 3.8 liters per flush", and our speedometers are marked in both mph and kph. Engine displacement on new vehicles is noted in liters, while engine displacement on older muscle cars is still noted in cubic inches (as it should be). I have a socket wrench set that includes english and metric sockets.

      So, we've been doing pretty well working with both at the same time for years. You mean to say the rest of the world can't keep up? ;)

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    10. Re:Or in Celsius by maglor_83 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I notice England doesn't get a lot of crap over it's Pints. That's cos its used for beer. And you just don't mess with a man's beer.
    11. Re:Or in Celsius by eloki · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm Australian, and I think it's just another one of those things where the size/dominance of the US is annoying to the rest of the world because it is different *and gets away with it*.

      We've all converted to metric but the US refuses the change. That's partly understandable due to the cost/effort, but it means that the rest of the world forever more has to convert units to talk to them. Effectively they're making more work for everyone, and don't seem to care. When you think about it, in many social situations it's considered a bit rude to needlessly make work for other people.

      The other aspect of this is that many Americans either don't know, remember or care about foreigners using a different unit systems, so even when they mention things like "it was 96 degrees outside today!" they don't bother offering a conversion or even a "sorry, don't know what that is in Celsius".

      Okay this post is a lot longer than I intended; it's not really that annoying in the big scheme of things, but you asked why it annoys people so I'm explaining why it irritates me. No biggie.

    12. Re:Or in Celsius by Pennidren · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The rest of the world really needs to start using only English. Honestly, it really is worth the effort to switch.

    13. Re:Or in Celsius by Andrew_T366 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm generally in favor of metrication and the use of metric units, but the issue of temperature is a key exception. The Fahrenheit scale is more precise, and its zero-to-100 degree range more realistically covers the spectrum of what one would typically see on a weather report.

      I sometimes wonder why Celsius is considered a metric measure to begin with: It predates the advent of the modern metric system itself. Its zero-degree reference point is just as arbitrary as Fahrenheit's in the big scheme of things. And, the measure doesn't employ metric prefixes (although I suppose they could conceivably be appropriated for the purpose).

    14. Re:Or in Celsius by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I grew up with MM/DD/YYYY and as soon as someone from outside the states showed me DD/MM/YYYY it was immediately obvious that the latter was better.

    15. Re:Or in Celsius by teh+kurisu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I disagree, it's quite useful on a weather report to be able to communicate easily what side of freezing the temperature is. It's not arbitrary when it means potentially hazardous road conditions, or the need to leave the heating on low to prevent the pipes from freezing.

  2. Re:Why are plants green? by Otter · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Since I can't read the article, I'll speculate wildly. I've often wondered why chlorophyll isn't black for maximum sunlight absorption.

    I'd imagine that the range of structures that can produce chlorophyll-like function is constrained, and that such structures with broader absorption either aren't possible or aren't evolutionarily reachable.

  3. Re:Shameless karma whore by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1, Insightful

    But seriously, when did Fahrenheit stop working? on a technology blog you should know better than to question the need for continual changes in favour of the latest system.
  4. Re:Get a real unit. by Microsift · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If I recall my chemistry correctly, I think you mean 70 Kelvin, the Kelvin scale does not use degrees.

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  5. Re:Shameless karma whore by LighterShadeOfBlack · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's got nothing to do with getting upset. It's about sheer convenience. In large swathes of the World the metric system has been the only system taught for decades and this is an internationally read website which has (I suspect) a demographic bias towards younger people. Providing temperatures in a system that large portions of its readers may not know off the top of their head seems silly and unncessary when all that was needed was a "70F (21C)" to save potentially some x thousand readers have to go Google it or, God forbid, read the article.

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  6. Re:Shameless karma whore by Simon+Brooke · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And 529.67 rankine for those of us who are simply better looking.

    But seriously, when did Fahrenheit stop working?

    About the same time that furlongs per fortnight ceased to be a useful measure of speed.

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  7. Re:Shameless karma whore by Daimanta · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "3) 96F - average body temperature"

    That's nuts! An AVERAGE temperature to calibrate a thermometer? That's the same thing as calibrating my speedometer in my car to the average speed of a laden swallow.

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  8. Re:Shameless karma whore by Simon+Brooke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The third largest nation in the world (by population) still uses Fahrenheit. I wouldn't consider that quite in the same league.

    Which is another way of saying 'less than 5% of the population of the world still uses Fahrenheit'. Looked at that way I'd assert it's in exactly the same league, or, indeed, the same 5.560 kilometres.

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  9. Wrong title by mangu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    TFA should be: "TTrees' Leaves Grow At a Cool 70 in the USA and Myanmar And At a Cool 21 Everywhere Else Where The Middle Ages Have Ended And The Age Of Enlightment Has Arrived", but they ran out of space. Strings in Slashdot have a 120 character limit, you know.

  10. Re:Shameless karma whore by Koiu+Lpoi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Latest System? Are you daft? Celsius has been the standard for science and, well, everywhere except the US, for a long time. Just because the US has been staunchly ignoring the rest of the world's units and measures doesn't mean that it's this newfangled temperature scale only commies and Jews use.

  11. Re:Shameless karma whore by meowsqueak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, you missed the point - Fahrenheit, Celsius, Kelvin, it doesn't matter. What matters is that the unit is *specified* correctly. A 'degree' unit is a 360th of a single complete angular rotation. Obviously a 'degree C' or 'degree F' is completely different.

    There's nothing wrong with specifying a non-standard unit, as long as it's specified accurately. Doing conversions is all part of the fun.

  12. Re:Humans are 98Â but prefer 72Â by MHolmesIV · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why is it remarkable? We live on the same planet...

    Now if trees were from Venus and preferred 70F temperatures, that would be remarkable. What's not remarkable is that both trees and humans prefer an environment they evolved in.

  13. Re:Shameless karma whore by Smidge204 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The worst part is the article says "21 C" - meaning the guy who submitted this had to do extra work to make it that way.

    =Smidge=

  14. Re:Shameless karma whore by Koiu+Lpoi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think I'd call it a minority. It's supposed to be an international system of measures. At this point, I'd call said country rather backwards. Especially considering you can't even walk into a science classroom in any university in the US and use the imperial system. SI is the way of science, and the way of the world, except for the US - a paltry 300 million people who are falling behind the rest of the world.

  15. Re:Get a real unit. by alexandre_ganso · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Of course it is Fahrenheit, but why the hell the temperature in a real unit is not at the post's update?

  16. Re:Shameless karma whore by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Insightful
    But seriously, when did Fahrenheit stop working?

    Evidently, you don't have a passport. In the rest of the world, Fahrenheit is about as commonly used as the cubit.

  17. Re:Shameless karma whore by cnaumann · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You are missing the elegance and simplicity of using ice water and body temperature to calibrate thermometers. In the 18th century, every thermometer was hand calibrated. Plunge the thermometer into a vat of ice water and make a mark. Plunge the thermometer into your body, make another mark. If you are using ancillary temperature (under the arm) rather than oral or rectal temperature (and really, where would you rather stick that thermometer?), 96 is pretty close. Make 64 evenly spaced marks between the two marks by subdividing by 2 six times. Why not use the boiling point of water? The simple answer is that it is too hot. You would end up with a thermometer unsuitable for measuring outdoor temperatures in a fancy garden, which I imagine were the most profitable sales of the thermometers.

    Notice that 32 is also a power of two, and that there are 180 degrees between the boiling point of water and the freezing point.

  18. MOD parent up by Elky+Elk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    the 1 Kelvin just happens to about 1 degree C but the definitions are indpendent