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Trees' Leaves Grow At a Cool 70° All Over the World

biogeochick writes "Ever turn on the air conditioner on a hot day? How about a heater when it gets cold? OK, so we all know that humans act to keep themselves cool, but what about trees? A recent article on tree core isotopic evidence has shown that trees from tropical to boreal forests all grow at 70 degrees. The study, published in Nature by some fantastic researchers (so one of them is my adviser, so sue me) and covered by NPR on All Things Considered, has shed some light on the convergent temperature at which trees perform photosynthesis." Update: 06/19 21:31 GMT by T : I give, I give -- that's 70 degrees Fahrenheit.

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  1. Get a real unit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's insane, that's so hot we'd burn our fingers if we touched the trees?!

    1. Re:Get a real unit. by dougmc · · Score: 5, Funny
      touche!

      And in a similar vein, I thought I was only six degrees away from Kevin Bacon? Or was that Paris Hilton? Either way, *70* degrees seems very excessive!

      It took me 10 years of school to get two degrees ... 70 would take ... a long time.

    2. Re:Get a real unit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think it's quite clear what degrees was referring to...the only problem was they didn't indicate whether it was North, South, East or West, so you can't tell whether they're talking about latitude or longitude. Either way, I think they're saying they've located the last grouping of trees left on the planet.

      With exciting news like this, we may yet slow the pace of global climate change!

    3. Re:Get a real unit. by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 5, Funny

      70 degrees? That's a smart fucking tree.

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  2. Shameless karma whore by LighterShadeOfBlack · · Score: 5, Informative

    That's 21C for anyone living in the 21st century.

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    1. Re:Shameless karma whore by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's 21C for anyone living in the 21st century.

      That's 294.15K for anyone who has (somewhat at least) overcome an infantile obsession with water.

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    2. Re:Shameless karma whore by halivar · · Score: 5, Funny

      Celsius is based on water temperature, and Fahrenheit is based on alcohol temperature. Ergo, Fahrenheit is WAY better than Celsius. QED.

    3. Re:Shameless karma whore by RoverDaddy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Considering how much of my body happens to be water, I don't consider it an infantile obsession. Some people have an infantile obsession with making water, but that's something different.

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    4. Re:Shameless karma whore by evdubs · · Score: 5, Informative

      Uhh.. no it isn't. According to wikipedia, there are three "standard" temperatures you can use to calibrate your thermometer for a Fahrenheit scale.

      1) 0F - the stable temperature of ice, water, and NH_4Cl
      2) 32F - where water freezes
      3) 96F - average body temperature

      Alcohol is not used anywhere.

    5. Re:Shameless karma whore by johannesg · · Score: 5, Funny

      But seriously, when did Fahrenheit stop working? He passed away in 1736. It is likely that he stopped working some time before that point, although we cannot be sure that he didn't die at his desk.
    6. Re:Shameless karma whore by LighterShadeOfBlack · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's got nothing to do with getting upset. It's about sheer convenience. In large swathes of the World the metric system has been the only system taught for decades and this is an internationally read website which has (I suspect) a demographic bias towards younger people. Providing temperatures in a system that large portions of its readers may not know off the top of their head seems silly and unncessary when all that was needed was a "70F (21C)" to save potentially some x thousand readers have to go Google it or, God forbid, read the article.

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    7. Re:Shameless karma whore by mordenkhai · · Score: 5, Funny

      I believe he is referring to the fact that alcohol was used, in large quantities, by the researchers while coming up with the system. In that regard it is heavily based on alcohol, and Cheetos too if memory serves, but there is again no Wiki reference.

    8. Re:Shameless karma whore by Simon+Brooke · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And 529.67 rankine for those of us who are simply better looking.

      But seriously, when did Fahrenheit stop working?

      About the same time that furlongs per fortnight ceased to be a useful measure of speed.

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    9. Re:Shameless karma whore by Xaroth · · Score: 5, Funny

      My car gets 40 rods to the hogshead, and that's the way I likes it!

    10. Re:Shameless karma whore by Koiu+Lpoi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Latest System? Are you daft? Celsius has been the standard for science and, well, everywhere except the US, for a long time. Just because the US has been staunchly ignoring the rest of the world's units and measures doesn't mean that it's this newfangled temperature scale only commies and Jews use.

    11. Re:Shameless karma whore by rocketPack · · Score: 5, Informative
      The parent is not kidding:
      40 rods = 0.125miles
      1 hogshead = 63 U.S. Gallons
      So... ((0.125miles)*5280ft/mi)/63 gallons=10.476 feet per gallon

      GP must drive a Hummer... perhaps only in reverse, like Mother Goose.

    12. Re:Shameless karma whore by Simon+Brooke · · Score: 5, Informative

      And that's why an American paper should be using the metric system? Because the 95% of the world that's not in America is too stupid to realize that it's an American publication writing to an American audience using the units of measure in use in America? Errrrr... hate to tell you this, but the journal in question is Nature. Published by Macmillan Publishers Ltd, a British company owned by a German group, for an international audience.
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    13. Re:Shameless karma whore by Smidge204 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The worst part is the article says "21 C" - meaning the guy who submitted this had to do extra work to make it that way.

      =Smidge=

  3. pretty thin science... by MollyB · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The first link is to a subscription-only site.
    The second contains "warm" and fuzzy quotes like the following:
    "Trees in chilly climates also have ways to make their leaves or needles retain more heat from the sun. Pine needles, for example, clump together. Think of gloves and mittens, Helliker says. If you're wearing gloves, wind can easily whip heat away from your individual fingers, leaving you cold. But if your fingers are all together in a mitten, they're going to be warmer.

    Richter says the discovery isn't just fascinating science. It gives her a special kinship with trees.

    On a recent day in Philadelphia when the mercury was near 100 degrees, she said, "I was staring at a hickory tree and its leaves were down â" they had wilted," she says. "And I was thinking, hey, it's hot, I'm hot. They enjoy 70 degrees, and I enjoy 70 degrees, too.""

    A special kinship with trees?!? How did this make it to Nature?

  4. And I grow... by sidnelson13 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... when placed into moist locations. Give me five!

    Ok, no good comes from watching Scrubs.

  5. Re:Or in Celsius by Applekid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I never did get the obsession other people have with the units we use in the states. It's merely a point of contention for the "we're right, you're wrong" nationalistic crowd. Same with dates: MM/DD/YYYY, DD-MM-YYYY, YYYY.MM.DD, so on and so on.

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  6. Re:Or in Celsius by vajaradakini · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, clearly everything runs smoothly when people work in different units. Nothing could ever go wrong. Nobody could spend millions on a probe only to smash it into a planet instead, right?

    Sometimes it's worth an inconvenience...

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  7. Re:Diploma mills by saskboy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Don't use that M-word around trees. They'll get very nervous hearing that!

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  8. Re:Or in Celsius by Hatta · · Score: 5, Insightful

    YYYY-MM-DD(ISO 8601) is the only correct format. When you specify dates in that format, you can sort things chronologically simply by sorting them alphanumerically.

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  9. Re:Why are plants green? by solanum · · Score: 5, Informative

    Mod parent down. This is absolute rubbish, how did it get to +5 informative? I assume it's there as a joke so it should only be +5 funny, or possibly now, +5 fooled Slashdot. I am a plant physiologist, there are three basic types of chlorophyll in land plants, a,b & c. They have slightly different spectra, but they are not blue and yellow, they all have minimal absorbance in the green part of the spectrum and thus look green. The yellows and reds in senescing leaves are from carotenoids and anthocyanins.

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  10. Re:Why are plants green? by postglock · · Score: 5, Informative
    The green colour of chlorophyll relates to the historical precursors to the first photosynthetic organisms. Originally (a few billion years ago), early bacteria were non-photosynthetic, fermenting carbon anaerobically. This rapidly depleted the primordial "soup." The first organisms to utilise light (something akin to Halobacterium halobium) used a pigment called bacteriorhodopsin to help its metabolism. Bacteriorhodopsin absorbs a central band of visible light.

    The evolution of chlorophyll followed (perhaps in Cyanobacteria) in organisms at the bottom of the sea. These were the first organisms to fix carbon dioxide. Being at the bottom of the ocean, only the far bands of visible light were available to them (blue and red), and hence green chlorophyll evolved.

    Since then, accessory pigments have also evolved (e.g. phycobiliproteins), which have reclaimed other parts of the visible spectrum, and changed the colour of the plants or algae.

  11. Re:Or in Celsius by Pennidren · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The rest of the world really needs to start using only English. Honestly, it really is worth the effort to switch.

  12. Re:Or in Celsius by Andrew_T366 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm generally in favor of metrication and the use of metric units, but the issue of temperature is a key exception. The Fahrenheit scale is more precise, and its zero-to-100 degree range more realistically covers the spectrum of what one would typically see on a weather report.

    I sometimes wonder why Celsius is considered a metric measure to begin with: It predates the advent of the modern metric system itself. Its zero-degree reference point is just as arbitrary as Fahrenheit's in the big scheme of things. And, the measure doesn't employ metric prefixes (although I suppose they could conceivably be appropriated for the purpose).