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Via Debuts Mini-ITX 2.0

DeviceGuru writes "Via Technologies has launched the second generation of its signature mini-motherboard standard. Mini-ITX 2.0, an evolutionary update to the seven-year-old 170×170mm form-factor, introduces new and emerging buses and interfaces such as PCI Express, SATA, Gig-E, and HD A/V, while preserving backwards-compatibility with the original standard. Mini-ITX has been a popular form-factor for a range of space-constrained hobbyist and commercial applications."

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  1. Space-constrained? by ThePhilips · · Score: 5, Informative

    Mini-ITX has been a popular form-factor for a range of space-constrained hobbyist and commercial applications.

    I have one at home not because I'm "space-constrained" - but because it really nice and small Linux server which does everything I nee from it.

    Thanks to fanless design, loudest part of the rig is hard drive. That, along with minimalistic power consumption, makes it very suitable for always-on system. I use it for back-ups and some performance-oriented development and it is just bliss.

    The only downside of buying Mini-ITX, is that it's very hard to find suitable components as well as good case. Selection isn't very wide and prices often bite.

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    1. Re:Space-constrained? by bunratty · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've heard another downside to Mini-ITX is that the throughput of the gigabit Ethernet ports is not up to speed with the ports on full-size computers. Has the situation improved? Will it be better with Mini-ITX 2.0? That's the first thing I looked for in TFA and the "more information" link it provided, but all they say is it has a gig-E port.

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    2. Re:Space-constrained? by Collective+0-0009 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      it's very hard to find suitable components as well as good case. That is the great thing about ITX, all you need for a case is an old VCR, old Hummer RC car, or I even made a computer out of an old CRT monitor shell, and put an LCD in the front.... sort of an iPC.

      ITX is designed to think outside the box (case).
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    3. Re:Space-constrained? by Dwedit · · Score: 3, Informative

      That has more to do with using crappy chipsets in the motherboard than the form factor itself.

    4. Re:Space-constrained? by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 3, Informative

      older boards used pci for the gig-e ports newchips have gig-e as part of the chip set or are running it over pci-e.

    5. Re:Space-constrained? by billcopc · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The reason they use crappy chipsets is because they're cheaper than the good stuff, and Mini-ITX is primarily about money, secondly about size.

      I mostly stopped caring about Mini-ITX when I realized I could gut a low-end laptop for less money and better performance than Via's offerings. Their prices just aren't in line with my perception of value. There are also several alternatives on the market, most of them based on Intel mobile chipsets, like the Arcom Apollo.

      If I wanted something even smaller, there's the Gumstix/Netstix. This Mini-ITX 2.0 seems like a whole lotta nothing, too late to market, too costly to care.

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    6. Re:Space-constrained? by billcopc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, if the chipsets were any decent, people would build file servers around them. The biggest (*rimshot*) thing going for Mini-ITX is the low power consumption. If I could replace my two home servers with smaller machines that draw a third of the power, yet can adequately serve my media and backup needs, I would spend the money.

      The problem is Mini-ITX does everything poorly. Terrible performance, overpriced accessories, usually lots of modding work to get things fitted, and you have to pay a premium for the privilege of being mediocre.

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    7. Re:Space-constrained? by confused+one · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are mini-itx boards using intel and other non-via chipsets. You don't have to buy a via mini-itx board. MSI, Jetway, Intel, Commell and others make mini-itx boards and they are available several different cpu socket / chipset combinations, just like ATX boards are. There are limits of course, some things just dont's fit on a 7"x7" board, not to mention power and cooling requirements for some chips would be difficult to accomodate.

    8. Re:Space-constrained? by Firehed · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm not going anywhere near saturating full gig-e, but 50-60MB/s (hard drive limited minus some network overhead) isn't unlikely. I'm not using a $20 bargin bin 5-port switch (I got a 16-port GigE D-link now), but even back when I was I still saw decent rates. I'll be interested to see if/how this changes tomorrow, as I just ordered 1.5TB of storage prompted by a Newegg special (it's been long overdue, even if it's overkill for the moment - I still have to micromanage the remaining space on my current disks), and the 750GB/32MB Samsungs reportedly transfer in the 90MB/s (!!) range thanks to stupidly dense platters. At that point it doesn't matter at all since the receiving computer's drive isn't fast enough.

      It's not the frequency of installation, it's just a matter of how long each one takes. Whether it's daily or annually, I still have to wait around for way too long when I'm doing it, and for those hefty installs, it's usually because it's something I need RIGHT NOW so waiting is a huge pita if not a serious problem.

      Also, you have to consider the seek times on hard drives versus a DVD drive. That's the big gain, not the maximum data throughput. Even if both the DVD and hard drive were limited to 20MB/s, I'd still have a seek time better by probably two orders of magnitude. For Photoshop, games, and other big installs that have thousands of tiny files for textures or whatever, it's the seek time that kills the transfer speed. However if I alleviate that issue by ripping the disc to an ISO on my hard drive (and I do), a lot of that performance gain is lost if I throw it through a network bottleneck.

      Truth be told, it's largely overkill for my needs. But when I was setting it up, I had a little extra to spend and wanted it to be decently future-proof. Back to the original topic here, I had tried doing this on an EPIA board but the network controller was uselessly slow (by my standards) and as it's only got one PCI slot, a cheap-but-not-crap GigE card and a SATA board aren't both options.

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  2. Virtual Computing. by Vectronic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Are they all 3D renderings?

    meh, excuse me... I just found it amusing... "VIA Debuts Mini-ITX 2.0"... and its just some 30 minute 3D model...

    Back on topic though, looks pretty kickass, if only it came with more PCIe slots, even just one more would do... 6.75"x6.75"... 3 of them could fit in the space your average keybaord takes (minus PSU)

    1. Re:Virtual Computing. by ozbird · · Score: 2, Funny

      meh, excuse me... I just found it amusing... "VIA Debuts Mini-ITX 2.0"... and its just some 30 minute 3D model...

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  3. Re:what about big ones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm a bit nostalgic too. I missed the old turbo button from the clone war days, so I spliced together a few case wires and velcroed my leaf blower in there.

  4. Skip DeviceGuru.com and go straight to the source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Go directly to VIA's website.

    Seriously, there's no ads on deviceguru's page so what's the fucking point?

  5. Re:media centre by smertens · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm doing just fine with MythTV on a 1.0Ghz fanless board. I can record two SD shows at once while watching a third, all from a single hard drive. Just be sure to use the Openchrome video driver if you want playback to be watchable.

  6. This isn't exactly "fresh" by MC68040 · · Score: 2, Informative

    This was announced on the 5th of this month, and already been featured on some news sites.

    Asides from that I like that we're getting an easy option for hdmi-out - it's one of the things that have been holding me back from using this in my sitting room :)

  7. Still not legacy free by jabuzz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What is the point in shipping it with a PS/2 keyboard and mouse port. Complete waste of time. The space would be far more usefully be taken up with some more USB ports.

    Also how about some BIOS serial redirection on these things, so you don't have to plug in a monitor to configure these babies.

    1. Re:Still not legacy free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      A PS/2 KVM switch is common when one uses more than one of these convenient little boards. USB KVM switching is not nearly as ubiquitous.

    2. Re:Still not legacy free by prefect42 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Obviously he was really asking for something like IPMI enabled by default, that way we can get rid of the legacy serial port, ps/2 ports, and power button...

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    3. Re:Still not legacy free by kriston · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you get the boards based on the ATOM reference platform you will notice that it contains both serial and, get this, a PARALLEL port.

      Seriously, the parallel and serial ports are for embedded applications. It's much easier to use those 8 bits on the parallel port for dry contact control. And most small embedded controllers have serial interfaces.

      Why does it have to be legacy free? This is not supposed to be JUST a consumer computer platform.

      It's supposed to be both a consumer platform as well as an embedded platform and you can't be an embedded platform if you're legacy free.

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    4. Re:Still not legacy free by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes.
      Why? The PS/2 ports are only useful for using a PS/2 KVM which are cheap and common.
      There are MANY devices that only work with RS-232 ports. USB converts are on the whole junk and not very reliable.
      You will see these mini-ITX boards used a lot in embedded systems so yea I will lose the PS/2 port any day but please keep the come and lpt ports.

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    5. Re:Still not legacy free by photon317 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I am also in the "no PS/2, but please leave 1 serial port" camp. For a linux box (and what better use for ITX is there?), it's really nice to have serial console support so that you don't have to ever hook up a keyboard and monitor. It's even better if the BIOS supports serial console redirection, so that you can even edit bios settings over the serial interface.

      Until the BIOS guys come up with a way to do serial console over USB (which wouldn't be too hard really), I'd like the serial port to stay.

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    6. Re:Still not legacy free by OutOnARock · · Score: 2, Funny



      Who would want to lose their "come" port?

      (ducks, its Friday :) )

  8. Re:Maybe in stores by 2010 by Yvan256 · · Score: 2, Informative

    www.logicsupply.com

  9. Re:Only problem is the PCI-E by KillerBob · · Score: 3, Informative

    AverMedia M780 is a dual-tuner PCIe X1 card whose driver allows it to be used as a hardware MPEG decoder for DVD or Blu-Ray. Coincidentally, it gives the best reception of any card I've ever used. Unfortunately, as of right now it does not work under Linux, but a 1.5GHz C7 w/ 2GB of RAM and the onboard Via graphics is powerful enough to run Vista Ultimate edition with Aero turned on at S-Video or component video 480p resolution. Not that you'd actually use that particular OS. (Well, my HTPC is running it, but I got a free copy through my work MSDN subscription.) It's probably not powerful enough for 1080p, but you can install a discrete graphics card if you prefer.

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  10. The processor is near the top right by kriston · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Amazing. At first I was wondering if the 45-degree offset component would allow good airflow, thinking it is the processor, but it is not.

    After downloading the Image Kit I noticed that the processor is actually the little tiny component with "nano" stamped on it near the top right side of the board.

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  11. Re:media centre by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Remember to get a TV Tuner that does MPEG encoding onboard. For recording two shows at once, you'll need something like the Hauppauge WinTV PVR 500. With a card like this, your processor will hardly get used at all in the encoding process.

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  12. an evolutionary update... by PRMan · · Score: 2, Funny

    an evolutionary update

    For definitions of Evolution that include 10,000 hours of Creation and Design...

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  13. But does it actually work? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Informative

    The small form factor is all very well, but the previous generation of boards simply didn't do what they claimed to. HDTV and H.264 decoding in hardware are supposed to work, but are unsupported, for example.

    When you look at the high cost of these boards and the special cases and PSUs for them, combined with terrible performance (both CPU and components like gigabit ethernet or SATA) I can't see why anyone would want one. You can build a faster, cheaper and just as low power system using a cheap underclocked and undervolted Sempron and mATX mobo, with only a slightly larger (and much cheaper) case.

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  14. Re:media centre by langelgjm · · Score: 2, Informative

    Agreed. I'm running KnoppMyth on a 700 MHz Celeron. Encoding is fine - the Hauppauge PVR-150 handles it without a hitch. The machine can just barely handle playback, but my MacBook makes a nice, fast frontend.

    I'll have to try your suggestion of video driver to see if it improves playback performance.

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  15. Re:media centre by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That's frightening. that you need the openchrome video driver to get SD video playable. These things have no chance in hell to play any HD video on them then.

    Why are they offering HD outputs whn the board cant ever hope to play HD content?

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  16. Re:but ..... by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, it's a good question, actually. While VIA has long touted their support for Linux and open source, Real World results have often lagged behind. For example, various Linux drivers they have released have been one or more of buggy, closed source, and tied to forks of popular open-source projects. So, while Linux does actually run on all boards I have tried, not all hardware is _fully_ supported in practice.

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