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Bill Gates Reveals Secret of Microsoft's Success

Hugh Pickens writes "Bill Gates, in a interview with the BBC, revealed the secret of Microsoft's success: 'Most of our competitors were very poorly run. They did not understand how to bring in people with business experience and people with engineering experience and put them together,' said Gates. 'They did not think about software in this broad way. They did not think about tools or efficiency. They would therefore do one product, but would not renew it to get it to the next generation.' Mitch Kapor, founder of the Lotus Corporation, has a different view: 'Claims by Microsoft that people were buying the software because it was good are pretty self-serving. I'd like to smoke what he's smoking.' Gates also said that he took a 'conservative balance sheet approach' to running Microsoft explaining that he wanted 'great financial strength so we would have the flexibility to do software in the new way, or whatever we wanted to do.'"

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  1. Supplying the OS for PC's probably helped ... by xmas2003 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While I think Gates' point about merging people with business and engineering experience is valid, there's always an element of luck involved - good thing for Microsoft that Gary Kildall was out flying his airplane when IBM came by.

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    1. Re:Supplying the OS for PC's probably helped ... by nurb432 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "out flying a plane" is just urban legend. Go find some of Gary's intervies for the truth on the subject.

      But i agree, there was a lot of luck involved, and a but of underhanded backroom deals.

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    2. Re:Supplying the OS for PC's probably helped ... by Illbay · · Score: 5, Insightful
      This is true for a good many businesses - although sometimes "luck" is in the eye of the beholder.


      I used to provide engineering consulting services for a specialty repair contractor. Since there were a lot of "big boys" who were already well-established doing what he did, he opted (with my help) to take on more "risky" jobs that the established contractors wouldn't touch because they were, well, "too risky."

      He soon got a reputation for being, not just a good contractor who got the work done on time and on budget, but a "go-to guy" who would succeed where others wouldn't even try. And soon, he was getting even the "bread-and-butter" jobs instead of the established firms because of "brand familiarity."

      In the end, you gotta deliver. Microsoft might be the Great Satan, but they have a lot of satisfied customers you don't hear from, who got stuck on their stuff, and swore by it.

      Like Harry Beckwith says in his book "Selling The Invisible": Your main competition isn't a company or a salesman or a technology, it's the "status quo."

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    3. Re:Supplying the OS for PC's probably helped ... by hackstraw · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But i agree, there was a lot of luck involved, and a but of underhanded backroom deals.

      Right, luck in terms of timing, but this quote really bothers me:

      "Most of our competitors were very poorly run"

      The initial competitors were IBM and Apple, both are alive and well. Remember, that Microsoft got their start by buying some crap inhouse developed OS called DOS, and convinced IBM to put it on their PCs (before they even bought the software). Round two was when IBM had a deal with MS with the OS/2 project, and Microsoft completely backstabbed them with Windows 95.

      Those were the two biggest "successes" of MS.

    4. Re:Supplying the OS for PC's probably helped ... by dedazo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Microsoft was so far behind Apple in the GUI business in the late 80s and yet they still own the market.

      Let me fix that for you: Apple was so far behind Microsoft in the application business in the late 80s and early 90s that they just limped along while Microsoft snagged the desktop. People buy PCs to run applications, not operating systems.

      Most of you don't even remember how hard they had to fight to convince companies to write software for their newfangled windowing system when everyone was perfectly happy with DOS. Gates is being disingenuous when he says his competitors were "poorly run", the real reason is that his competitors (including IBM who saw the PC as a toy) didn't have his vision and drive to (as he said back in the 80s) place a computer in every home. People like Mitch Kapor didn't see any value whatsoever in graphical environments - after all he was selling 1-2-3 hand over fist to companies still running DOS. He paid dearly for that. And once Microsoft controlled the desktop, they could do anything they wanted, which eventually would get them into trouble.

      The reality is that no one saw it, except Gates. One could argue that Apple saw it (or wanted it), but they were too busy trying to dick around with the hardware and their OS was always an afterthought. The first "real" PC I ever had was a souped-up Zeos Pantera 486 with 16MB of RAM, a Diamond Stealth64 sporting an amazing 4MB of VRAM, a SCSI card with a 105MB HDD on top and - get this - a gynormous 17-inch monitor. I paid close to $6K back then for that. Today I can put together something that is for all purposes a super computer compared to that, for about $600. The reason for that is and always has been Microsoft Windows.

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    5. Re:Supplying the OS for PC's probably helped ... by timeOday · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The first "real" PC I ever had was a souped-up Zeos Pantera 486 with 16MB of RAM, a Diamond Stealth64 sporting an amazing 4MB of VRAM, a SCSI card with a 105MB HDD on top and - get this - a gynormous 17-inch monitor. I paid close to $6K back then for that. Today I can put together something that is for all purposes a super computer compared to that, for about $600. The reason for that is and always has been Microsoft Windows.
      Insanity! That's like giving Henry Ford all the credit for the industrial revolution. Moore's law was stated in 1965 when Bill Gates was 10 years old. The truth is, without Microsoft, PCs today would be a bit better or a bit worse, there's no way of knowing for sure. But they would still be here. And sitting here typing this on my Linux PC (running X which also pre-dates Windows by a longshot), posting on the Internet (where MS was a latecomer because Gates' competing vision was distributing Encarta on CD-ROM), I see little to be thankful to Microsoft.
    6. Re:Supplying the OS for PC's probably helped ... by Bombula · · Score: 4, Insightful
      It's pleasant to see an insightful Microsoft comment that isn't drenched in jealousy and loathing. Kudos on a good post.

      One thing that folks forget when condemning Microsoft as a Big Bad Monopoly is that technology industries - and PC hardware and software in particular - change constantly and by massive increments. What that implicitly means is that a great deal of innovation is required just to hold a fixed position in the market. In other industries where technology changes slowly, if at all, monopolies really do mean something quite different. De Beer's monopoly on diamonds or the Coke/Pepsi oligopoly on cola or a monopoly on pencils or whatever else are in fact a good deal more sinister than Microsoft's dominance of the OS and office productivity software markets.

      If you're a soft drink manufacturer, you have absolutely no hope of kick Coke's ass in the next adoption cycle, no hope of snatching some market share as users upgrade to 512MB carbonation accelerator cards or anything like that. A real monopoly is also a company that genuinely stagnates, that stifles innovation and change, that rests completely on its laurels and whose only merit is size - a company that could literally change nothing for years and still beat everyone else financially. Like it or not, those characteristics just don't describe Microsoft.

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  2. Secret was scamming, stealing, working hard by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It was all three.

    Microsoft repeatedly used this tactic.

    1) Pretend to work with another company
    2) Steal the good ideas from that company
    3) For bonus points, if possible make the next product from that company suck.
    4) Profit!

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    Microsoft outright stole some products (Stac comes to mind)-- after they LOST in court, then they bought the company on the stock market.

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    However, they worked like demons on their own stuff too. Microsoft worked hard- very hard. It competed very hard (frequently on the edge of legality and sometimes past it). It cheated, scammed, lied, stole.

    But it also polished better than ANYONE. Microsoft made things that were arcane and difficult into automatic and easy things.

    And it supported (and supports) its customers extremely well. The two times that I called for customer support, they pulled out all stops to support me (a sound card problem with 5 senior engineers, a level 1 and level 2 support on the line- and by god they figured it out after 3-4 hours on the phone). When my business went through the recent DST thing, we had multiple microsoft people on site verifying everything- holding regular meetings. None of our other vendors did that.

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  3. Multiple Factors by edwebdev · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There are two "secrets" to Microsoft's success:
    1. Microsoft had the luck to work in an exploding market while it was still in its infancy.
    2. Microsoft had the shrewdness (or ruthlessness, perhaps) to continue leveraging the advantage conferred by secret 1 for the decades to follow.

  4. The real secret which he will never admit.... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ... leveraging and building upon the MS-DOS monopoly is the reason why Microsoft was successful.

    Everything else is just Gates' PR people trying to make history be kind to Gates, in spite of the fact that he raped the personal computer industry of profits and innovation during his tenure.

  5. Bill was handed a monopoly ... and he learned. by khasim · · Score: 5, Insightful

    IBM handed Microsoft a monopoly on the OS for their new PC "toy".

    Bill Gates & Co then hired people who knew how to exploit that monopoly.

    Yes, their competitors made mistakes. So did Microsoft.

    Microsoft Bob.
    Microsoft Blackbird.
    Etc.

    The difference being that Microsoft had their monopoly to fall back on when their other attempts failed. Their competitors did not.

    Bill is going for the "humble" bit now. But that's not how it happened.

    1. Re:Bill was handed a monopoly ... and he learned. by LaughingCoder · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The difference being that Microsoft had their monopoly to fall back on when their other attempts failed.
      I knew this thread would fall into the trap of recursive "reasoning". Repeat after me, "a company cannot exploit its monopoly to become a monopoly". When they started they were a small scrappy company. Yes, there was luck involved, but they also had "the vision thing" going for them. MS viewed software as a viable business. They did not subscribe to the widely believed notion that software was just the necessary evil you bought from your hardware vendor to get your hardware to work. That vision led them to make decisions, like hiring business people and engineers, with the goal of building a long-term, sustainable business selling software that ran on *other* people's hardware. I am not saying they were the only ones to have such a view, nor even that they were the best. But it was somewhat controversial at the time, at least among the big computer hardware makers, and so I admire them for pulling it off and for being a major player in the "re-wiring" of the computer industry.
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    2. Re:Bill was handed a monopoly ... and he learned. by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're right that most companies don't choose to engage in those ruthless tactics.

      However, the most powerful companies do. And we reward them. And we get what we deserve.

      Look around you. This is how powerful companies are built. In every industry, right from food and power on to music and movies on to automobiles and military hardware and anything else you can think of, they are all run this way.

      That's not an apology for any behavior. But, you need to recognize, for things to change, you can't just hate the player, and you can't just hate the game. You have to hate them both, and you have to hate them enough to set your own safety and comfort aside and put a stop to it by whatever means are necessary. They've always relied in you being too scared and or lazy to take the necessary steps, and they've always been right.

      And we get what we deserve.

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    3. Re:Bill was handed a monopoly ... and he learned. by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And we get what we deserve

      That's right, dammit! What we should have are antibiotics made by the guy down the street, in his basement. Automotive airbags made in Ye Olde Saddle Stitchery across town. Why, if it weren't for Teh Eevil Corporations, we'd be comfortably back to better times. You know, when the guy with the big mustache and the mule-pulled wagon delivered a block to your icebox. That was quaint! And we liked it that way, dad-gummit. Who wants a $20 pre-paid mobile phone with which you can call Portugal while in your underwear out in the woods? Too corporate! It was better when it took 20 weeks for the telegraph guys to finally string up your town, and the guy on the bicycle brought you the wire telling you that your cousin died 20 hours ago... of Polio.

      Or do you mean that the government should do all of the R&D and complex manufacturing? That way we could completely avoid the influence of a powerful monopoly, for sure.

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    4. Re:Bill was handed a monopoly ... and he learned. by metlin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wow.

      I am just amazed at the amount of idiocy that is emanating in some of the posts. And then, you see that ONE post - the one, magnificent post that takes the cheese cake. Surreal, really.

      I think money is *great*. It is one of the greatest economic inventions of man, and pardon the pun, but provides us with a common currency to trade our skills for our wants, whatever those may be. It is the new measure of your competitiveness.

      When you give someone money, you give them the freedom to use it the way they see it. I do not want to be paid in something which imposes restrictions on how I use it as it conforms to my world view. That very action signifies a moral high ground and arrogance that you know what's best for the people, rather than letting people make their choices.

      And what economic elite? You can become an economic elite if you want. Hell, this country is full of rags to riches stories. It's always amazing, but people make excuses. I tell you - you could become a millionaire today if you truly wanted to. At the end of the day, it breaks down to exactly what YOU want, and how far you are willing to go to achieve that. If you want something else more than the desire to make money, then you do not want money badly enough, and that is YOUR choice. Don't go around blaming the "economic elite" or some such vague term to signify a nebulous tyranny (that probably exists in your head).

      That's why money is the root of all evil. It allows selfish and evil men to harness good men in ignorance.
      Apart from your obvious logical fallacies that make no sense whatsoever, your last statement (like the rest of your comment) is a load of horse dung. To quote, "The race may not always be to the swift nor the victory to the strong, but that's how you bet." There's nothing wrong in trying to be the strongest and the fastest the way society sees it. It's unfortunate if it happens at the expense of others, but then, that's competition for you. If others are not willing to play to win, then they shouldn't be playing at all.

      To me, money is a great motivator. It is an enabler, and gives me the means to do fantastic things. And quite honestly, it is not someone else's problem whether or not the way I spend MY money is in fitting with their morals or their world view. I work my ass off and make sacrifices to give ME the freedom to shape my world the way I like it - if someone else wants to one-up me, more power to them.

      Money is also a fantastic equalizer. You can be rich, poor, black, white, short, disabled, lanky, religious or whatever else, and nobody will refuse to pay you if you are good enough, and nobody will refuse a trade for money.

      Your post, and rant, is nothing but unfiltered nonsense.

  6. Re:May the Microsoft Bashing Begin... by neapolitan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes to that specific case and I agree with what you are saying, but the general process repeats itself over and over in business and technology.

    Facebook? Give me a break -- look at the prior art of Friendster and even Myspace. When Facebook was being started at Harvard I thought it would not take off because of the current dominant players.

    Google? Anybody old enough to remember when Altavista was the king of search? We used to always use that engine in college.

    AIM? Remember ICQ? Ntalk? Otalk?

    Original ideas are few, and even Gates admits he was not very original with his ideas in many, many interviews, but he did implement them well, er... market them well, and protected his monopoly with a vengeance.

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  7. McDonald's by Zordak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft succeded the same way McDonald's did---sell a bland, familiar, mediocre product in huge volumes at a low-ish but profitable price (this worked for PCs because it's bundled; home users would not have actually paid for Windows). Really, there's no big secret here. The same model works very well for Wal-Mart and Ikea too. It's hard to get those obnoxiously-high volumes if you try to sell on quality and overall value.

    I think this is part of Vista's problem. It's still low to mediocre quality, but no longer bland and familiar. It's like McDonald's suddenly trying to get people to buy $12 steaks.

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  8. ctually what MS does is.... by 3seas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First and foremost MS is a marketing company. A company that realized early on, quantity is better then quality as it get you onto the consumers/businesses systems.
    Second they are a legal firm that applies a chess strategy of sacrifice the pawn to more the knight forward.
    Or in other words, what is the risk vs. payoff of breaking teh law?
    Third they are, by the court decisions of court around the world, a trust breaking law breaker, a company run in part with anti-trust law breaking tactics.
    Fourth, what development they do, it is with intent to dumb down the users and always leave them coming back for improvements but never really doing a complete job.

    "The way to be successful is to make people need you" which is achieved by consumer entrapment abuse.

    The reason for concern MS has had over open source and its halloween documents evidence is because Open Source, though not a freeing of the consumers is in fact a big step in that direction.
         

  9. The secret is ... by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Most business users confused interoperability with PC-compatibility. By the time the realized the folly of demanding compatibility with a closed proprietary standard instead of an open level playing field standard, MSFT was well entrenched and the vendor lock had been achieved.

    Moore's law helped hide how inefficient MSFT coding had become. The marginally legal and outright illegal activities of the business/sales units would not have had this much of success if the vendor lock had not been achieved.

    But deep at the core, the dominance of MSFT is because the ignorance of the user base rather than any brilliance of MSFT products.

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  10. Microsoft's Success by mlwmohawk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft's success came from a complete lack of ethics.

    While companies tried to compete on a level and ethical playing field, Microsoft was dirty dealing them. Stealing their work, poisoning business relationships, intentionally disrupting their businesses, etc.

    I can't think of one, that's right, not one product of theirs that won on its own merit. Their whole office suite wouldn't be anything if they didn't create back doors in Windows and DOS for them. Windows wouldn't be anything if they did not poison relations between the likes of Xerox and DRI. DOS would have had competition from DRI if they didn't embed bogus warning messages in their applications. FUD is the modus operandi of Microsoft and how they "succeed."

    They took illegal and unethical advantage of every piece of software they ever sold. Every last piece of their software works against every other software ISV.

    Those they couldn't beat, they put out of business by dumping "free" versions on the market. Netscape anyone?

  11. Here's your history lesson. by khasim · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It doesn't disprove a thing.
    Yes, it does.

    I said they were successful because they saw software as a viable business and acted/invested accordingly.
    That is where you are wrong. Whether you want to believe it or not.

    Other people also saw that selling an OS without selling the hardware could be a viable business. Yet those other companies did NOT survive.

    Again, Microsoft BOUGHT their OS from someone who wrote it because HE saw that the OS did not have to be sold with the machine BEFORE Bill Gates saw that (as you claim).

    The genius was recognizing that the computer market was evolving to a point where hardware and operating systems could and would be decoupled.
    Again, Bill Gates BOUGHT the OS from someone else.

    By your "logic", Edison would have been a "genius" for buying an electric light bulb from someone else who built one.

    1. Re:Here's your history lesson. by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Interesting point on this:
      Edison made quite a bit of money off the lightbulb -- but he didn't invent it. It's actually a pretty good analogy; even to the point where nowadays, most people believe Edison invented the lightbulb. Similarly, most people think Microsoft invented the desktop PC interface.

      Both Edison and Gates were unique in that they knew how to combine other people's hard work, a bit of their own engineering, and some good marketing strategy to gain major traction in a quickly developing new market.

  12. "in EVERY case." by khasim · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But there is no denying that Gates did have this vision of a software company at a time when operating systems and most applications were bought bundled with the hardware in EVERY case.

    Here's another history lesson for you.
    http://members.fortunecity.com/pcmuseum/dos.htm

    Looks like people (and companies) were writing Operating Systems (and apps) without selling hardware for YEARS before that.

    Also, in the English language, "every" and "most" are not synonyms.

  13. Microsoft success = Gary Kildall's wife Dorothy by Sparky9292 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft's success can be pinpointed to one day in time when all of IBM's lawyers were at Gary Kildall's house. Gary was out screwing around in his Cessna that day and Dorothy basically freaked out during the negotiations for DOS. When Digital Research punted the IBM deal, that's when the phenominal $50,000 investment in Tim Patterson's DOS became Microsoft Legend.

    I'm not sure that Gates knew that IBM was going to pull parts off the shelf to slam together a PC, and I doubt he knew that clever reverse engineering of the ROM BIOS that Compaq would do would cause the Attack of The PC Clones to occur and the money bags to fall from the sky at Microsoft.

    If you ever read any Gates biography, documentaries etc, almost all literature dedicates a large amount to that particular point in time.

    Bob Cringley's PBS Triumph of the Nerds spends about 30 minutes of the documentary on this decision.
    Stephen Manes' Gates: How Microsoft's Mogul Reinvented an Industry--and Made Himself the Richest Man in America -- dedicates an entire chapter to this event.
    Even Noah Wiley's Pirates of Silicon Valley does a silly bullet time effect on this one moment.

  14. Re:Thus the "handed" portion by DerekLyons · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Repeat after me, "a company cannot exploit its monopoly to become a monopoly".
    No but they can be handed a monopoly (by another near monopoly).

    The problem is - that's still recursive logic. When the IBM PC debuted, IBM didn't have a monopoly on that market. No one did, as the market largely didn't exist. (To the extent it did, the monopoly on the PC belonged to Apple!)
     
    Nor did IBM's 'monopoly' of the PC market last long, as more than a few companies were quick off the mark to get their entries to market. So quickly and so successfully that IBM was all but knocked out of the ring within a couple of years.
  15. Let me see if I get this straight... by DesScorp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, and CP/M and p-system were more expensive, and thus DOS became the dominant system. They gained a monopoly through a bit of luck and a bit of business acumen. Then they exploited that monopoly.

    So Microsoft offers the most desirable of three choices, based on multiple factors... cost among them... and they became, by customer choice, the overwhelming favorite. That makes them predatory at this point? And while MS was the favorite choice of PC users, PC's still weren't the goliath of the market yet.... until the mid-80's, the Apple II ruled the roost, and then the Macintosh arrived, and sold very respectably. The Amiga also provided a serious challenge. Microsoft had a technical monopoly of sorts, but it was on one platform... they had significant competition from other platforms all throughout the 80's. Microsoft didn't become truly dominant until the early 90's, when Windows 3.1 really began to popularize home computing, And they sealed it by knocking the ball out of the park with Windows 95. Then they started acting like a monopoly.

    In the big money sector... business IT... Microsoft was still a bit player until the 90's, and they had to get their foot in the door by marketing Microsoft operating systems as "playing nice with others"... meaning, yes, you can run Windows as a workstation on your existing (and expensive) Unix and Novell servers.

    Microsoft did become a monopoly, I grant you, but they were nowhere near one in the time frame you mention. They were, while profitable, still small fry in the early 80's, and made much of their money writing software for other platforms. Excel was a Macintosh product long before it was a Windows product.

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  16. Re:Open source by dotancohen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I especially liked the part where he describes the unlocked heavy machinery that he and Paul 'played' with. I see that he adopted the exact same security model for Windows. Even after the tenth time they broke into the machinery, the company set up a security guard rather than lock the machines. How did that get translated into Windows: ports open, but the anti-virus is running!

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