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Blogger Launches 'Google Bomb' At McCain

hhavensteincw writes "A liberal blogger has launched a 'Google bomb' project aimed at boosting Google search results for nine news articles showing Sen. John McCain in a negative light. The Computerworld article notes: 'Chris Bowers, managing editor of the progressive blog OpenLeft, is launching the Google bombs by encouraging bloggers to embed Web links to the nine news stories about McCain in their blogs, which helps raise their ranking in Google search results. Bowers is reprising a similar Google bombing effort he undertook in 2006 against 52 different congressional candidates. "Obviously, it is manipulating, but search engines are not public forums and unless you act to use them for your own benefit, your opponent's information is going to get out there," Bowers said.'"

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  1. Yeah, that'll help . . . by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    . . . unify the country.

    1. Re:Yeah, that'll help . . . by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Since when has that become the goal of politics?

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    2. Re:Yeah, that'll help . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      This is typical of the new obama type of campaign. Give lip service to unity and "change" while engaging in the same underhanded tactics that the left has been criticizing the far right for during the last two decades.

      Really, the democratic party is becoming something I don't want to be a part of, much like the republican party of the 80's and 90's was taken over by the religious right. obama and his cronies have done nothing put use this opportunity to garner power to themselves for their own end. It's sad the more people like those of you who post on slashdot can't see it. They care nothing for the "issues" they espouse and they care even less (than nothing?) for you except for your vote.

    3. Re:Yeah, that'll help . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Shortly after it became popular to attack someone for fragmenting the country.
      One has to manufacture a "problem" in order to have something to "solve", for all the existence of the problem is dubious, and the capacity of government to solve anything is gravely doubted.
      Just yell "By The Audacity of Loose Change!" , however, then sit back and watch the magic...

    4. Re:Yeah, that'll help . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Unify the country? Why is that considered a good thing? A significant portion of the American public are in favour of the Bush administration, the Iraq war and torture. You aren't going to change their minds. The only way you will unify the country is to meet them half-way. Is that a good thing?

      I've never heard of this "unification" nonsense until the Republican Party started becoming unpopular. Until then, in pretty much every democratic country, it was understood that there is room for disagreement in politics and that this wasn't necessarily a bad thing. But now they seem to be feeding you the idea that all parties should be striving for the same thing (which is basically no different to a one-party system) and the American public seem to be lapping this bullshit up and asking for seconds. WTF is up with that? Can you really not see that it's just a desperate lie told by people who fear losing power in the near future? It's not transparently obvious to you?

    5. Re:Yeah, that'll help . . . by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The faults of some candidates do not, by themselves, make other candidates worthy. It's about time we learned that.

    6. Re:Yeah, that'll help . . . by Ian+Alexander · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Unify the country? Why is that considered a good thing? I think it's because partisan politics in the States revolves more around mudslinging and villifying people who disagree with you and less around, perhaps, coming to agreements and bipartisan cooperation. It's typical American political "problemsolving": identify a problem and propose a boneheaded solution that won't fix anything. Instead of settling down and being civilized about the other party, why don't we just get rid of bothersome "other" parties?
    7. Re:Yeah, that'll help . . . by Metasquares · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, but at least it might help Google fix its search engine.

    8. Re:Yeah, that'll help . . . by Entropius · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't want a unified country.

      I want a just, upstanding, ethical, and prosperous country.

      If "unity" means "agreeing with people who advocate theocracy", then I'm against it. If it means "Americans working together to make their country and the world a better place", I'm for it.

      Unity isn't something that you *make* happen. Unity is something that happens as a result of good governance and an educated and civic-minded citizenry.

    9. Re:Yeah, that'll help . . . by letxa2000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The goal of politics should be to do what's best for the country. The goal of politicians is to gain power. So apparently the liberal blogger in question is a politician because he's doing what's best for his candidate, not what's best for the country. Making it hard to find the best information (even if it's not information the liberal blogger wants people to see) about a candidate is not in the spirit of a free society and democracy. Basically, this liberal blogger is decreasing the signal to noise ratio rather than providing useful and compelling reasons to vote for his own candidate.

      Seriously... if Obama were as amazing as we were supposed to believe he is, it would be more than enough to promote his virtues rather than trying to smear the opponent. Guess Obama isn't all that great stuff.

    10. Re:Yeah, that'll help . . . by robertjw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unifying the country is a good thing. It doesn't mean we all agree, but it means we are all going in the same general direction and making progress. Right now the US is not just divided, it's segmented. No one is a fan of the poor economy, high fuel prices, Gitmo controversy, the morass that is Iraq, and the perceived lack of leadership in Washington.

      Our greatest presidents are the ones that could unite the people behind a common cause and make us proud to be Americans. FDR, Kennedy, Eisenhower, Reagan, these men were all visionaries and they accomplished some major goals because they were able to unify the country behind some major ideas. FDR had the New Deal and then, of course, WWII. JFK had the space program and the cold war. Eisenhower built the Interstate system and fought communism. Reagan freed hostages and fought the cold war.

      All of these leaders were able to find a common enemy or problem and then use constructive solutions to unify the country. Our next President should, ideally, have a vision, be able to sell this vision to the American people, and move us forward in a positive way to accomplish these goals. Since the end of the Cold War, America has struggled. There has been no common purpose to unite behind. Bush tried to use 9/11 and Islamic fundamentalist terrorism, but it's such a vague, indefinable threat that people rapidly lose interest.

      Thing is, unifying the country by looking the other way on candidates actions doesn't help. McCain is a doddering old man who doesn't seem to have any direction. Obama says he has direction, but so far we haven't been able to pin down what it is. To succeed a candidate needs to communicate what he wants for the future of this country, and be able to weather any negative attacks against him. Negative information, as long as it's accurate, is good for this country and shouldn't be swept under the carpet in the name of 'unification'.

    11. Re:Yeah, that'll help . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      A significant portion of the American public are in favour of the Bush administration, the Iraq war and torture. You aren't going to change their minds. ... you know bush's approval rating is only 27%. Maybe you do math differently than I do ... but 27% isn't exactly what I'd call significant.
    12. Re:Yeah, that'll help . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If it means "Americans working together to make their country and the world a better place", I'm for it.
      On behalf of the rest of the world, I'd like to ask you to kindly confine your improvements within your country's borders if at all possible. We know your hearts are in the right place, we admire your zeal for democracy and free markets, but your methods of exporting these wonderful ideas are sometimes a little bit ... how to put this politely... a little bit disastrous. So if you could just see your way clear to maybe not invading or bombing any other countries for, say, the next hundred years, then I think I speak for all of us when I say that we'd really appreciate it. Thank you.
    13. Re:Yeah, that'll help . . . by robertjw · · Score: 1, Insightful

      And I would say it this way

      Conservatives think a man should be free to make his own way, Liberals think everyone should be babysat and evil politicians just pander to whoever can make the biggest campaign contribution, but I digress.

      My original point is you have to have a more focused vision than 'bringing prosperity'. FDR had the "New Deal". JFK wanted to put a man on the moon. Eisenhower wanted to free the American to travel the country. Clinton What do Obama or McCain want to do? We need specifics?

    14. Re:Yeah, that'll help . . . by Original+Replica · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So apparently the liberal blogger in question is a politician because he's doing what's best for his candidate, not what's best for the country. Making it hard to find the best information (even if it's not information the liberal blogger wants people to see) about a candidate

      The validity of you statement depends strongly on the quality and accuracy of the articles in question. If the articles are mostly just "noise" then yes you are quiet right, but if the articles contain information pertinent to gaining a better understanding of the true character of a presidential candidate, information which might otherwise get buried by the whims of Big Media, then these bloggers are providing a service where our "free press" has failed us.

      As to whether this is smearing or not, is again dependent on the accuracy and relevance to the qualification and quality of the candidate. If Obama had pushed an earmark through that funded eugenics research, pointing that out loudly and repeatedly would not be smearing. If someone wearing an Obama '08 shirt threw a brick off an overpass at McCain's motorcade, trying to proclaim that as a gauge of Obama's character would be a smear.

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    15. Re:Yeah, that'll help . . . by roster238 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "Finally we have an election where candidates from both parties do not generate a lot of negative feelings from the general populace"

      umm...I hate to break the news to you but these two ass clowns don't thrill anybody who has ever thought about the issues. Obama is an empty suit who talks in incomplete ideas with no substance "to solve our energy problems we are going to need to conserve energy". He never follows with any wisdom as to how he will make that happen. McCain is just as bad with his general statements on the economy with no substance anywhere. Perhaps we should look at drafting Norman Schwarzkopf? I have no idea about his politics but at least he knows what leadership is..It's not just saying whatever the crowd in front of you wants to hear.

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    16. Re:Yeah, that'll help . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      27% isn't exactly what I'd call significant.

      Really? Over a quarter of the people in a nation of 300M isn't a significant number of people? Seriously? If you have to grasp at straws as flimsy as this to try to show how the parent comment is wrong, maybe, just maybe, the parent comment is right.

    17. Re:Yeah, that'll help . . . by badasscat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Seriously... if Obama were as amazing as we were supposed to believe he is, it would be more than enough to promote his virtues rather than trying to smear the opponent. Guess Obama isn't all that great stuff.

      So your argument is that one misguided follower serves as an indictment of Obama himself?

      I'm sure you could dredge up plenty of assholes on McCain's side too. Here's one now.

      So I'm guessing your vote in November will be "none of the above"? Or possibly Montgomery Brewster? (Bonus points if you get the reference.)

      Everybody's got idiot followers with misguided ideas about how to promote them.

    18. Re:Yeah, that'll help . . . by magus_melchior · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Seriously... if Obama were as amazing as we were supposed to believe he is, it would be more than enough to promote his virtues rather than trying to smear the opponent. Guess Obama isn't all that great stuff.
      You know, that's a really dishonest leap of logic. Did Obama ask for this blogger to pull this stunt? Did Obama know and give his approval? Prove that first, then make accusations.
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  3. Raises tough questions by clang_jangle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I find the practice of SEO to be a bit questionable in any event, but soliciting volunteers to essentially manipulate google search results in order to favor a given political agenda just leaves a really bad taste in my mouth. Sure, it can argued that the right fights dirty, but where is the honor in stooping to this sort of thing?

    Well, I am old enough to remember the sixties -- maybe I'm just becoming obsolete.

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    1. Re:Raises tough questions by jpellino · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I certainly hope you don't think you can counter the likes of Karl Rove simply by being honorable...

      Had Rove been in the cast of "To Kill A Mockingbird", Atticus Finch would be whispered for being a gay single parent, Tom Robinson would have been fathering children of white women all across the south, and Boo Radley would be president. Oh, wait...

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    2. Re:Raises tough questions by VGPowerlord · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Doesn't Google have the tendency to lower the page ranks of sites that participate in Google bombs?

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    3. Re:Raises tough questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Well, I am old enough to remember the sixties -- maybe I'm just becoming obsolete.

      "No disassemble old hippie!"

      Seriously, though, honor went out the door a long time ago in American politics... Nixon left the door open for it, Reagan threw it all out and slammed the door shut, Lee Atwater and Bush 1.0 added the padlock and chains (for which Atwater expressed deep regrets before his death).

      The only way we'll ever get it back is for things to become so dirty that they affect the majority of peoples' lives to the point that they care. But the average American has no honor anymore, either.

      So, yeah, you're obsolete, but in the 68 Mustang Fastback sense, not the 75 Pinto sense...

    4. Re:Raises tough questions by tuxgeek · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The right wing conservatives manipulate the public view using Fox news and their method of twisting and distorting facts, and informing the viewers with their personal 'paid for' opinions.

      I have no problem with the left progressives using similar techniques of swaying public opinion, but the left are using truth, reality, and actual facts to beat the conservatives at their own game.

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    5. Re:Raises tough questions by Entropius · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The trouble is, because the idiot vote in the USA is so large, you're never going to get anyone elected who *doesn't* make some attempt to be underhanded.

      That doesn't justify it. That doesn't make it honorable, or the right thing to do. But, depending on how pragmatic you are, it just might make it inevitable.

    6. Re:Raises tough questions by Entropius · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The McCain of today isn't the McCain of then.

      In the last two years McCain has solidly thrown his lot in with Bush.

    7. Re:Raises tough questions by OshMan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think this is more like the digital equivalent of putting a campaign sign on your lawn, or a bumper sticker on your car. Despite any connotations from the term for it, I'm not sure I see this as dirty politics.

    8. Re:Raises tough questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yeah, but Rove is "independently" helping these days. And several of Rove's old cronies ARE on staff, last I knew.

      But that's why I don't like it: McCain had little trouble adopting the same tactics that were used against him, like some of those whisper campaigns.

    9. Re:Raises tough questions by je+ne+sais+quoi · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So what? Rove might not be McCain's campaign director, but he has influenced the modern Republican party and its tactics to a large degree. I think a lot of people would agree that McCain has changed himself and his political opinions to appeal to the modern Republican party. When I think of the modern Republican party, I think of Rove like people who do anything or say anything about their opponent to win, and once in office, they remain in constant campaign mode, slandering their opponents, hiring only those loyal to the president and firing those who do not do their bidding.

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  4. Against the Principles of Democracy by DeionXxX · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Isn't one of the tenants of democracy that everyone have access to all information and then they decide who's best for themselves? This is poisoning the available information so citizens don't have all of the information about a candidate.

    Pretty surprising come from the left, you know, with their morals and such.

    1. Re:Against the Principles of Democracy by rthille · · Score: 4, Insightful


      If 10 million people give $10 each, that's $100 million of democracy.

      If one person gives $100 million, that's 'big money'

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    2. Re:Against the Principles of Democracy by markkezner · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While I can see the point you're trying to make, it has its flaws.

      The problem is that once you remove folks from the decision making process, you open the doors for abuse of the system. Such a system that you suggest would have to be implemented with extreme care to prevent elites from disenfranchising voters to promote their own agenda.

      Hod does the nation decide who is qualified to make decisions on what issues? How would you resolve disagreements about who is qualified to vote?

      That said, I do not believe that our current system is immune to abuse and manipulation of the ignorant. Not by a longshot.

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    3. Re:Against the Principles of Democracy by Lawrence_Bird · · Score: 2, Insightful

      what makes you believe they will be 'telling the truth'. They can use what ever they want, fact fiction or anything else. Hopefully then you won't be uspet if there is a googlebomb for articles claiming Obama is a muslim? I mean some people believe that is 'truth' therefore it should be available to everyone searching for Obama right?

    4. Re:Against the Principles of Democracy by Mauzl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I find it rather amusing how as soon as there is some sort of scandal or mud to be thrown, republicans get their snouts deep in much. Clinton's blowjob is a perfect example of this.

      As soon as the reverse is done, its always "Those darn liberals and their lack of morals, get mah gun." Personally, I care more about a politicians policies than who is/has sucked his dick.

  5. Re:Links? by dunnius · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Thanks. I was hoping that one of the nine would be McCain violating the campaign finance laws. Oh well, so much for exposing corruption in politics.

    Disclaimer: I am a Libertarian and I hate the two main political parties.

  6. What a dick. by saintlupus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, it's always a lot better to make sure that you taint the conversation.

    This is an excellent example of the juvenile "us vs. them" mentality that national US politics has devolved into. I'm a bicycle-riding urbanite liberal stereotype, I still find this sort of idiocy appalling. Let people make up their own minds and hunt for their own information.

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    1. Re:What a dick. by FleaPlus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If the left consistently acted in that way, they'd never elect another person to office, because the Right isn't going to stop doing what they're doing just because the left is.

      Could you elaborate on what dishonorable attacks have been coming from the Right so far in this election? As far as I've seen, the vast majority of the attacks on Obama so far have been from the Clinton camp. McCain on the other hand has (somewhat surprisingly) been trying to take the high ground and has on a number of occasions criticized those who've tried to use spurious claims again Obama.

    2. Re:What a dick. by Digital+End · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bitch of it is, people DON'T look for their own information.

      This is one of the key differences that we have trouble understanding (as I assume most of us on this type of site take the time to research).

      Most people literally do not look into their options. They devour sound clips and single lines as gospel, making their choices and standing with them as though changing their minds would prove them less a man/woman. This is why the red states stay red, and blue states stay blue.

      Any /. reader knows more then most of the voting public, and has seen more of each side of the fight. You want scary some time? Stop using the internet, try to gather your facts from Fox, ABC, or any other news network. Try to get a real look at the situation using that only.

      Look at the standard, masses voting for their normal color, with a handfull of states that are naturally even enough that the few who actually vote differently can matter. I have never lived in a state where my vote counted, and that's a sobering thought.

      http://people.howstuffworks.com/swing-state2.htm

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  7. I'm for Obama but this is just stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This is not a valid way to promote Obama.
    Just let people figure it out themselves.

    It's very simple. Do you want something at least SLIGHTLY different than the past eight years? No matter what you want to say against Obama, you are guaranteed something different than the past eight years. With McCain it will be virtually identical except we'll be bombing Iran (and anti-choice for women).

  8. what a douche by Alibaba10100 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This is a perfect example of how political types can't see anything outside of their petty us vs. them mentality.

    "We're just using McCain's own words -- everything we are targeting are things McCain has done or said himself. There's no bias at all. No bias? By what definition is emphasizing the things someone says that suit your purposes not bias? In fact, this is the most insidious kind of bias. If the pieces being ranked up were opinion pieces, at least viewers would be aware that what they are reading is someone's opinion. But this way, the ordering of the news stories itself contains some random guy's personal bias and the majority of searchers will not know to put their guard up.

    Obviously, it is manipulating
    bingo
    1. Re:what a douche by Alibaba10100 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I absolutely agree with that. But placing responsibility on readers to sort out fact from opinion does not exonerate people who try to deceive them.

  9. Hypocrisy at it's best by wmbetts · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You have to love how the left bloggers love to cry fowl at every little turn. Yet, when they attempt to rig search engine results it's somehow okay. Regardless of a person political affiliations this type of action should be frowned upon and they people partaking in the event should be shunned by their readers.

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    1. Re:Hypocrisy at it's best by Phroggy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You have to love how the left bloggers love to cry fowl at every little turn. Yet, when they attempt to rig search engine results it's somehow okay. No, it really isn't. Just because this jackass is doing it doesn't mean the rest of us think it's OK, but we can't stop him.
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    2. Re:Hypocrisy at it's best by Ma8thew · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, because left wing bloggers are all a homogenous group, who would all agree and support this tactic.

    3. Re:Hypocrisy at it's best by Butisol · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm getting so tired of comments like this. As if certain forms of asshattery are a symptom of the left or the right exclusively, and not behaviors that are practiced by certain members of every political orientation. "You have to love how right bloggers complain about xyz and then go and zxy." Partisan dipshits piss me off.

    4. Re:Hypocrisy at it's best by Frostalicious · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You have to love how the left bloggers love to cry fowl at every little turn. Yet, when they attempt to rig search engine results it's somehow okay. All leftist bloggers cry fowl at dirty tricks and also rig search engines? Or maybe political parties are not monolithic collective consciousnesses.
  10. A vote of no confidence? by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seems to me that this is basically a result of this asshole believing Obama can't win without such underhanded tricks.

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    1. Re:A vote of no confidence? by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And, so, his answer is disinformation?

      Imagine the outcry if a conservative blogger made such a statement.

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  11. Informed Vote? by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Obviously, it is manipulating, but search engines are not public forums and unless you act to use them for your own benefit, your opponent's information is going to get out there," Bowers said.'" Because clearly, the last thing you want to do is let your opponent's perspective out there. This is brought to you by the 'informed populace makes for poor voters' theory.
  12. Backfire by Toonol · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This sort of stuff just makes the side doing it seem more juvenile and reactionary... which is an image the democrats need to overcome, not encourage.

    I think if they could have shut up their most ardent supporters, the Democrats would have won the last election.

    1. Re:Backfire by nEoN+nOoDlE · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think if they could have shut up their most ardent supporters, the Democrats would have won the last election.

      That's a load of crap. It wasn't the ardent democrat supporters who lost the election, it was the ardent Republican supports being more underhanded. They turned "swiftboating" into a verb. Stuff like this doesn't backfire because the majority of the population just looks at the message and not the messenger.

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    2. Re:Backfire by east+coast · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you honestly don't think that mouthpieces like Mike Moore and Rosie O'Donell aren't negatives to associate with your cause you're out of your blinking mind. Most Democrat moderates that I know are, at the least, alarmed by this arm of the Democratic party. Most moderates on both sides simply do not want the extremes in their parties.

      That's going to decide a lot in the next election. Whichever candidate can come off looking like less of a crackpot is going to get the swing vote. It's that simple. There's a lot of time for either one to fuck it up and I'm hoping one of them does it on a monster level. It's about the only entertainment left in politics anymore.

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  13. Re:Open left of what? by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One vote for the democratic party of america is one less vote for the republican party of america, but is it really a vote to the left?

    True - we've got two major parties in the U.S., one representing the center of the right wing, one representing the right wing of the center.

    It's no wonder that, until this charismatic upstart Obama came along, the "sure winner" of the Democratic primaries was a woman who had been the president of her campus's chapter of the College Republicans, and whose husband was called "the best Republican president we've had in a while" by Alan Greenspan.

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  14. Re:Links? by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Articles in Salon and Mother Jones cast McCain in an unflattering light? No way!!!

    Next we'll be reading that the evil "Far Right" Republican bloggers are Google-bombing articles from foxnews.com. ;-D

  15. This is progress? by Asylumn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "...unless you act to use them for your own benefit, your opponent's information is going to get out there.
    Heaven forbid people get all the facts and make up their own mind. Let's just prevent our opponents from being able to make their case in the first place!

    How very 'progressive'.
  16. This is not unfair or sneaky or wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    A lot of the comments in here complain that these are underhanded, manipulative tactics.

    They are not. This is no different than the advertising both sides spend millions on. The whole point of the google search engine, that made it beat the other search engines with their paid results (remember the days of going to four different search engines, and diging down through pages and pages of results, to find something ?) is that google ranked according to what the public expressed as important, via the links they created on web pages. If google didn't rank those stories higher after eveyone started talking about them, then google would be less useful, and start facing competition again.

    If these stories were simply untrue, or at least contested, that might be a valid objection. But they are denied in any way by McCain. This is not a "swift boating" or the campaign McCain was victim of in North Carolina to make it seem he had had a child out of wedlock. Citing facts is always fair game in a debate.

    I think the Obama supporters might choose better stories, however. While these stories might outrage people who will already vote for Obama, those who are already supporting McCain are unlikely to be moved by them. Perhaps links to McCain's involvement in the Savings and Loan Scandal might be better.

    I would like to see what stories the McCain folks would google bomb about Obama. If they are all basically untrue or speculation about his religion or some shit, I think that would tell you who is going to win. Before I participate in this google bombing campaign, I will collect several factual articles about Obama's involvement with that real estate guy, and the ear mark or whatever funding it was that he got for the hospital where his wife worked, and any other well established, factual dirt on Obama. Then I would mix in a link to McCain's POW internment, which I view as a plus on his side, and a few articles on some of the good positions he has taken. On Obama's plus side, I think I would link "Obama isn't in this list" to a list of who voted for the Iraq war; that is the reason why Obama will win the election.

  17. It is not Gogglebombing! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you have a political blog and you are linking to articles about a political candidate on other web sites, how is that Googlebombing? Isn't that actually the way the web is supposed to work?

  18. Re:Tag? by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Plus the fact McCain isn't really a republican (which is why he threatened, like a little baby, to become a democrat). He's nothing more than a old fart desperate for his moment in the spotlight. People should be concerned about the fact he stands for nothing other than becoming president.

  19. Re:Seems like this is a Match on a Fire by Dachannien · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Besides, republicans already have their propaganda machine too *cough* Fox News *cough* Ann Coulter *Cough* What, as opposed to Obama's fanboys comprising the entire rest of the media?
  20. There's a bigger lesson in this by Solandri · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That dishonorable jerks exist across the entire political spectrum. Regardless of your political affiliation, restrict the "fights dirty" label to individuals. Do not generalize the distasteful actions of a few to the entirety of your political opposition simply because it makes things more convenient for you.

    1. Re:There's a bigger lesson in this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I don't care how a politician gets into office ... just so long as I agree with their politics.

  21. From the United States Declaration of Independence by ibane · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government

    If you don't believe and work for this, you will never have it.

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  22. Re:It doesnt work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You aren't describing conservatives, you are describing the Republican Party. The Republican Party are not conservative in any way, shape or form. Conservatives would be against the Iraq war. Conservatives would be against increasing the size of the government. Conservatives would be against wiping their asses with the Constitution. Conservatives would be against spending far more money than the country has.

  23. Re:Links? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Comparing Salon to Foxnews is like comparing marijuana to PCP. Sure they both have negatives, but one of them will fuck you much harder in the head and could leave you permanently brain damaged.

  24. I don't want to be "unified" by speedtux · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't want to be unified with supporters of McCain.

    I think anybody who votes Republican after the past eight years is morally bankrupt, lacks patriotism, and lacks a commitment to basic American values.

  25. Clearly Works For McCain by nick_davison · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1. Announce a Google bomb to the world.
    2. Hit the Google blacklist in 3, 2, 1...
    3. Links conveniently "gone" from Google.

    He's either the most moronic SEO manipulator known to man or his goal is to get the links hidden entirely from Google.

  26. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  27. Re:Not sure how this is a bomb by ArcherB · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He's trying to manipulate google, sure, but in a more legit way than doing this: warmongering douchebag. The guy in the article is simply promoting 9 specific articles about McCain and suggesting that others link those articles as well to make sure they climb the search results. It's not that different from just passing the links around and telling people to make sure everyone they know reads them. Whereas doing this charming imposter doesn't just get more people to go to a link; it makes a clear association between that link and a phrase denigrating the object of the link. I disagree. I think it's a bit dishonest. If this guy gets his way, when someone searches for John McCain, they are likely to get negative articles. I mean, let's forget about getting balanced results and letting people make up their own minds when presented with ALL the facts. Nope, let's make sure they only see the facts WE want them to see so they can make up their minds the way WE want them to.

    Yeah. It's a pretty shitty thing to do, although, with all the people saying things like "McCain WANTS troops to be in Iraq for 100 years", it's not surprising.

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  28. Re:Not sure how this is a bomb by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I mean, let's forget about getting balanced results and letting people make up their own minds when presented with ALL the facts.

    Nobody ever gets ALL the facts. You have a finite amount of time on this mudball and most people do not want to spend it studying the minutia about the two idiots who happen to be running this year (and, yes, I have a clear preference, but after the FISA debacle, he's still an idiot). Google's page rank reflects the reality of the situation vis a vis relative web link importance at a particular current point in time. If McCain's opponents are more web-savvy or more energetic, they will have an advantage in this arena and they will have earned it. If you want more "balance", get McCain's people as motivated as Obama's. If they can't be as motivated, maybe that says something about his importance.

    The bottom line is that bitching about the lack of some mythical "balance" on the web is about as useful as complaining about the lack of a mythical immortality for people. It may make you feel better in some strange, warped way but, in the long run, it makes no difference. People have finite time and have only finite means for managing the information they take in over this finite time. Deal with it.

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  29. Re:Not sure how this is a bomb by ArcherB · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If it's "a bit" dishonest, it's a lot less so than the actual google bombs. I'm not saying this is the right thing to do, I'm just saying it's not a google bomb. And, in fact, it's only slightly different from what goes on anyway -- you have a blog, you don't like mccain, you post links to these articles, other people read those articles and find them worth linking to, they post to their blogs, and so on ... eventually if enough people think it's worthwhile, it climbs the google charts -- really, the only difference is that they're thinking about the google placing in the first place, which was bound to happen anyway. If someone creates a blog and links to articles, it's no big deal and there is nothing wrong with that. But to INTENTIONALLY do so with the intent of skewing search engine results in your favor is dishonest. You are attempting to limit the amount of data a searcher receives while only forwarding the data you WANT them to receive. It's dishonest. If the government were doing this, it would be called censorship.

    Oh and by the way, McCain actually did say the troops could be in Iraq for a hundred years. So for people who think that's important, that fact will be repeated. Yes, he did. Just like in Germany, Japan, S. Korea and a slew of other places we have troops stationed. But saying that troops COULD be stationed there is very different than saying he WANTS troops there for 100 years. Take THIS article for instance. It is titled, "Day 3: McCain Wants 100 Years in Iraq". Sorry, but that is a lie. McCain doesn't WANT troops in Iraq for 100 years. No one does. This is the type of article that we are talking about here. It is blatantly dishonest and if this is the only type of article that appears when searching for McCain, a previously uninformed voter will get the wrong idea based complete, 100% politically motivated bullshit.
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  30. That quote is truley scary! by eheldreth · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "unless you act to use them for your own benefit, your opponent's information is going to get out there,"
    I find this quote to be one of the scariest things I have read in awhile. the idea that suppressing another persons opinions and views is a desirable goal. Personally I dislike both candidates. I find both of their campaigns to be hollow and wouldn't trust either enough to vote for them. I find Obama's views on gun control to border on insane. I would however fight to the death to preserve both parties right to there own opinions. This kind of attitude is exactly whats wrong with our country today.

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