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Artist/Astronomer Exhibits Photos Of Spy Satellites

daemonburrito writes "Trevor Paglen, the photographer and co-author of 'Torture Taxi: On the Trail of the CIA's Rendition Flights' and 'I Could Tell You But Then You Would Have To Be Destroyed By Me,' has an exhibit showing in Berkeley of 189 photos of secret US satellites (exhibit page here). Wired says, 'In taking these photos, Paglen is trying to draw a metaphorical connection between modern government secrecy and the doctrine of the Catholic Church in Galileo's time.'"

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  1. Censorship? by mkiwi · · Score: 4, Informative

    Why did this article get tagged "censorship?" I don't see anyone in the government trying to censor this exhibit.

    1. Re:Censorship? by prestonmichaelh · · Score: 3, Informative

      I still don't really see why not admitting the satellites exist is censorship. What do we expect them to do? Publish when, where, and how each one will be launched, where it is in orbit, and what its function is? Obviously you can't hide a satellite, just like you can't fully hide any military base, but you can conceal the purpose so you don't if it is a laser from sky that can kill a person instantly, or just a decoy satellite that just beeps like sputnik. If you put enough of them up and assume that an enemy has a limited first strike capability (i.e. they can't shoot down all your satellites at once), then you increase your odds that your important ones might remain in case you get attacked (since they won't know exactly which ones to target and will just have to take educated guesses).

      I am very opposed to the illegal wire taps, the constant invasion of privacy, and many other things that the government does, but I do think, in some cases, it is okay for the government to have secrets and for them to say "we can't talk about that" or "we don't know what you are talking about". Obviously finding that line, and making sure that a system of checks and balances stays in place so that things don't go to far is hard to do (we are screwing it up right now).

  2. Transgressing the boundaries of photography by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    "For a time, people were getting arrested for photographing the Brooklyn Bridge," Paglen notes. "So to me, what it meant to do photography also changed."

    That's nothing! I got arrested for doing nothing more than taking a picture of my neighbor's window!

    It was a nice shot, too. I had to climb a tree to get the framing just right. And I took it at night -- you know, to improve the lighting.

  3. Re:Conspiracy Theory =/= Science by meringuoid · · Score: 4, Informative
    This fruitloop thinks he discovered 189 secret, artificial satellites in orbit? How does NASA plan its launches around them? How are commercial and GPS satellites launched without hitting them? How does Russia work on the ISS without noticing them? How is Europe going to get those Galileo sats up there with these "secret" ones flying around?

    The USAF has its own launch capability; they buy the same rockets from the same contractors NASA does. Sometimes NASA launches these things themselves; the Shuttle has carried secret satellites from time to time. It's hard to hide a launch, but you can keep the nature of its payload a secret. So, you can identify Mystery Satellite #121 by radar and by telescope, but determining whose it is (the Russians certainly have their own and I'd be surprised if the French don't) and what it is capable of is another matter. And if you're not watching it 24 hours a day, it can manoeuvre onto a different orbit when you're not looking.

    So revealing that he's found 189 satellites and publishing his photographs doesn't reveal much the government wants kept secret. Every serious rival nation already knows where these things are. If however someone published that 'Satellite #117 is a Model X SuperScryer made by Lockheed in 2002, operating in infrared frequency x with maximum angular resolution y, resolving objects on the ground to z centimetres, using the following highly classified technologies...' - now that would upset people.

    And 189 isn't so large a number. It's not like Star Wars out there, with crowds of vehicles zipping past each other. Space is big, and empty, and spysats are not such big things. They orbit very low, the better to get a close look at the Earth's surface, while communications and GPS satellites are far above, to have line of sight to much wider areas. Collisions are very unlikely, and all concerned maintain an extremely careful radar watch on all orbits intersecting any manned vehicle.

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  4. Google cache by againjj · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here is the exhibit page cached by Google. No images, though, since images are not stored by the Google cache.

  5. Re:news? by Original+Replica · · Score: 4, Informative

    how loudly and how often they scream about censorship, the very act of which disproves their claims.

    That would only hold true if they where screaming about complete censorship. For example, we know that at least 30,000 National Security Letters are issued every year since 2003, but we have no real idea what they are about because they all come attached to gag orders. So we know that the NSLs exist, but the content is censored, so oversight and accountability is impossible. In the case of the spy satellite photos, we know that they cost millions, if not billions of dollars, and that they exist, but that's it. Again no oversight, and no accountability.

    It seems to me that there is was a great deal of oversight, balance, and accountability built into the early constitution because those things are one of the things that enables a truly democratic/representative government, as opposed to a democratic shell over a oligarchic government that holds the true power. That accountability has steadily eroded since the dawn of the Cold War and thus so has belief in our government. I'm not saying that voting does nothing, but I am saying that there a lot of very powerful, very well funded segments of our government that are untouchable (even indirectly) by the voting public. That is not government for the people, by the people; that is government in spite of the people. That is what the Left and the true Conservatives are complaining about when they bitch about government secrets.

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  6. Re:US Satellites? by Detritus · · Score: 2, Informative

    Look it up in the NORAD catalog? There are plenty of satellites that the USA will admit to having launched, they just wont discuss their name or mission.

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  7. Re:news? by Kohath · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yes. Governments keep secrets. It's 1984. Or 1498. Or 489. Or 49 B.C.E. Or whenever.

    Secrecy is only actually detectable to this Galileo-wannabe because all this info is published in publicly available, searchable databases.

    Galileo was actually talented at something besides seeking attention.

  8. Re:it didn't end well for galileo by mdmkolbe · · Score: 4, Informative

    Giordano Bruno was condemned because of his Theological beliefs. Galileo was just making scientifically unsound (and later proven false) claims.

    Galileo was right that the Earth goes around the Sun, but he also wrongly insisted that it's orbit was circular (thus either introducing errors or necessitating the same epicycles that the geocentric model needed) and that tides were caused by the Earth's orbit and not the Moon. Further while his observations about the moons of Jupiter were insightful, he also mistook Saturn's rings for moons thus impugning the reliability of his Jupiter observations.

    Galileo got a lot of things right, but he went about it in a very unscientific way (e.g. he wasn't critical enough of his own findings) that led to him also getting a lot of things wrong. Making mistakes is okay, but Galileo's wouldn't revise them when other academics pointed out their flaws. This eventually made enemies for him in the academic world which is eventually is what did him in.

    Galileo did a number of great things. Just keep in mind that the version taught today is a censored one sided version of the story.