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NASA Tests Hypersonic Blackswift

dijkstra writes "Blackswift was previously rumored to be a super secret hypersonic scramjet-based aircraft co-named HTV-3X, essentially a 21st century version of the SR-71. Today NASA has unveiled the real Blackswift (video link), which uses pulse detonation engines (PDEs). A PDE is essentially a modern version of the old V-1 buzz bomb engine. This engine requires significantly fewer moving parts and achieves much higher efficiency than a turbofan, and is technically able to go hypersonic without any kind of 'dual-stage' engine."

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  1. I feel dirty by QuantumG · · Score: 5, Informative

    Please warn us when linking to Fox News. Jesus those people are dumb.

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    1. Re:I feel dirty by vectorian798 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I logged in for the first time in forever to post exactly that lol...

    2. Re:I feel dirty by LoudMusic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Please warn us when linking to Fox News. Jesus those people are dumb.

      It's not that THEY'RE dumb (which they are so very dumb) but rather they feel the need to dumb down everything for their audience.

      I want to punch that Fox man in the face. And I feel so bad for Ken Christiansen (sp?). It seemed apparent he was not prepared to deal with such a moron.

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    3. Re:I feel dirty by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      http://news.google.com/news?q=blackswift

      I'm somewhat confused as to what has been "unveiled".
      Everything I've read so far says that this plane is still in the "sketches and mock-ups" stage.

      Though I guess someone found the time to do a slick render.
      Maybe the PR push is an attempt to keep Congress from cutting their funding.

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    4. Re:I feel dirty by ToraX242 · · Score: 5, Funny

      NO, I don't want to punch him in the face. I want to watch it again and again. My favorite part is:
      "How does a human beein stand that at six times the speed of sound?"
      I believe the right answer to that question would've been: "Well it is bearable but you need to speak veeeery slooooowly or people sitting next to you can not understand what you say."

    5. Re:I feel dirty by MrNaz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The alarming thing is not that Fox News readers do not reflect upon the standard of intelligence at Fox News Studios, rather, it reflects upon the intelligence of the American Public in general. After all, this is a free market, and Fox News is only delivering the quality that people are demanding in that free market.

      *That* is what frightens me.

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    6. Re:I feel dirty by dch24 · · Score: 5, Informative

      A summary of Blackswift's project status:

      DARPA project overview of HTV-3X: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MhtLWB0dJ8
      Register article on the hydrocarbon-burning scramject (DCR): http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/03/11/darpa_hypersonic_blackswift_details_released/ and how Congress cut its funding in June
      NASA test of X-43A (operation in Mach 6 regime): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFHbjpc_dJ4

      IMHO it's real, it's being tested at NASA, and it's probably going to burn through $1 billion before the end of 2009... unfortunately...

    7. Re:I feel dirty by gadget+junkie · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, they're dumb. Fox News was unable to find people who could act dumb, so now they just hire people who really, (really, really) are dumb.



      From my extensive corporate background, I can tell you that if somebody that has been hired acts dumb, he's usually dumber than he seems; all a matter of cost efficiency, a smart guy acting dumb would cost between twice and three times as much, and you'd risk him saying clever things once in a while anyway.

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    8. Re:I feel dirty by ppanon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The fact is that liberals have control of the networks - I saw poll that showed essentially all journalists at CNN, ABC, CBS etc vote for the Democrats.

      Uh, no it was that around 90% of journalists that make campaign contributions contribute to the Democrats. But the number of journalists making campaign contributions was around 10%. So you can only say for certain that <10% of those journalists support Democrats. The party orientation of those who donate doesn't necessarily match those who don't. I could conceive of a scenario where those who don't donate are greedy and figure they're sufficiently supporting the Republican party through biased news worth far in excess of the monetary contribution of their Democratic-donating counterparts. Not saying that's the case, just that the data that's available could be consistent with either scenario.

      Now, most contemporary journalists are also pretty scientifically illiterate, which make them an easy target of ridicule in the technical community. And their understanding of economics and far too much else is often not much better. However, that Fox talking head in the linked video seems like a particularly egregious example. Fox News appears bad to anybody who isn't blind since they seem to insist on giving equal or more time to the emperor and his tailors than to the small child and his observations.

      Nevertheless, you might also want to consider that many journalists get to see and hear about the raw information before it gets massaged by editorial boards that are selected by corporatist management. So when it comes to coming to conclusions that only require facts and common sense, not technical knowledge, like the general state of the country and how various political parties influence it, they're likely to be better informed than you.

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    9. Re:I feel dirty by somersault · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That reporter definitely didn't seem like he was acting. He's either a genius, or an idiot. I'm guessing the latter.

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    10. Re:I feel dirty by MrKaos · · Score: 5, Funny

      a smart guy acting dumb would cost between twice and three times as much, and you'd risk him saying clever things once in a while anyway.

      W.

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  2. Don't use science talk by jasontheking · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'd prefer to stay stupid. Thanks.

  3. Here's the science free explanation! by TheMiddleRoad · · Score: 5, Funny

    Jesus built this hot rod.

  4. this is AWESOME by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 5, Funny

    The AIR FORCE is conStructing this HYPER sonic jet exploder thingy, with the help of JESUS, in order to fly at 10 times the speed of sound over countries where POOR people who HATE us live, in order to deliver with very high efficiency SWEETS and other confections which they need to live. They'll drop right out of the bom...CANDY bar bay. The Pentagon calls this the SNICKER candy bomb. At least they were snickering when they told the story to Fox News. Praise the lord

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  5. Re:Air Force != NASA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Actually it's neither NASA, nor the Air Force developing this. It's a DARPA program and the Skunk Works is the primary contractor. The contract doesn't officially begin until September of this year. The footage shown in the video is also not real--artists conceptions at best. Furthermore, the vehicle doesn't employ pulsed detonation engines for hypersonic flight. The so-called NASA analyst in the video just saw a request for money in the 2009 budget, stole some artist conception used for market assist, and tried to put the pieces together--poorly I might add.

  6. Could this be the Aurora by jonwil · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Could this be the Aurora, the "triangular shaped" airplane with the "donuts on a rope" contrail that various people have reported seeing over the years? (I saw something on discovery channel about it)

  7. Re:Awful by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Informative

    What a fucking jackass. How can someone that stupid be put out there as a news-person? On national television?

    I'm guessing you don't watch morning TV?
    It's okay, I can't stand it either.

    Fox's "America's Newsroom" shares a timeslot with shows like Good Morning America (ABC), Today (NBC), and The Early Show (CBS).

    They're very info-lite because the demographic is mostly women age 25-54
    (loaded towards the 54 yr old end)

    IMO, morning and daytime television is a wasteland.
    Fark is both more entertaining and more informative than TV.

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  8. Re:Awful by freedom_india · · Score: 5, Funny

    Mach? What does that mean?

    It refers to Gillete MACH 3 Shaving System to shave your #@$$%

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  9. Re:Awful by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 5, Insightful
    That's just the thing. They ARE proud of their stupidity. They are of and cater to that segment of society that distrusts education, knowledge and science.

    They are part of and help feed the "scientists don't know everything," "They're elitists," "I didn't come from no damn monkey," and "God wouldn't let the earth get too hot" crowd.

    They are and speak to those who are afraid of knowledge, especially if it contradicts their own assumptions, thus wounding their little egos.

    These are the "don't look it up in a book, look it up in your gut" people that Colbert satirizes.

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  10. Build your own jet by loic_2003 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The V1 flying bomb used a pulse jet engine rather than a pulse detonation engine - the difference being that a PDE burns at a supersonic rate whereas a regular PJ wouldn't be able to get to those speeds.

    Pulse jets are surprisingly easy to build, and I'm going to flagrantly link to my own build log of my engine being built with videos of it running/imploding here.
    Videos are all here.

    Cheers.

  11. Let's put it like this by Moraelin · · Score: 5, Informative

    The difference is that they're very very different kinds of engines really. Sorta like the difference between a turbofan and a piston engine in an aircraft. Both suck in fuel and use a propeller to push the air towards the back, but they're very different engines anyway.

    A scramjet is, sorta, an afterburner without the turbojet in front of it. Think just a de Laval nozzle, sorta, where the airplane's own speed shoves the air from the front, and you inject the fuel and light it in the back. It can only operate at hypersonic speeds, because it does need the air coming in really hard and fast, and it burns fuel continuously. There is no need for pulses or detonations.

    A pulsejet, well, think a pipe with a valve in front. Sorta like this, with "front" being downwards:

    |.|
    |.|
    |.|
    |T|
    +.+

    The T is the valve.

    Air comes in, you inject the fuel, and ignite it. The pressure closes the valve, so the only way the burnt gasses can go is backwards, pushing your aircraft forward. Then the pressure equalises, the valve opens again, and the cycle starts all over again.

    This one can _only_ operate in pulses. On the up side, it can operate at subsonic speeds too. It's also a very simple and robust engine. The V1's pulsejet could be riddled with holes and still generate most of the thrust. The RAF found it easier to just tip it over, with the tip of the fighter's wing pushing the V1's wing upwards, than shoot them.

    Downside, also generates massive vibrations. The buzz of the V1s could be heard from the ground. It's a bit like flying a jackhammer. Which is one reason it never got too popular for manned aircraft, or aircraft which were supposed to fly more than once.

    Well, that's the simple explanation anyway. There are more modern designs which, for example, do away with the valve and essentially just choke the flow via a nozzle to achieve the same effect. But that's the general gist of it.

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  12. Air Force Research Laboratory's Propulsion by mrmeval · · Score: 5, Informative

    Air Force Research Laboratory's Propulsion Directorate

    http://www.wpafb.af.mil/afrl/rz/

    I thought I'd post a useful link rather than bashing some corporate spew machine.

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  13. Re:Slick reporting by adpsimpson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    WOW, did you SEE that thing lift off the RUNWAY??!? It was GANE!!OMGZERSone11one

    Surely the correct response would have been 'no, that was an artist's impression.'

    The news anchor may be employed to use baby-talk, but there's no excuse for a supposedly informed correspondent to go along with the idiocy. The pride in ignorance is obviously annoying him, why doesn't he challenge it?

    Equally when asked to explain in 'English, not science-talk,' perhaps he should have said 'Yes, perfectly possible. Let me explain' and delved into some of the simpler theory of reciprocating engines, turbojets, high and low bypass fans and scramjets. When challenged he could then say, "what with words less than 3rd grade level? Ah, no sorry, not possible.'

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  14. Re:Awful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Islam was the pinnacle of science and technology (9-14th centuries) until the Ash'ari movement became popular.

    The Asharites questioned the value of evidence and scientific method, because they believed that the deep properties of nature were (and should stay) beyond the realm of human comprehension. Very much like your "God fearing" Midwestern Christians.

    Sadly, i fear that the irony of the situation would be lost on these people, even if it were explained in very simple concepts.

  15. Doesn't burn fuel, it explodes it!? by argent · · Score: 5, Funny

    What, you mean like in your car's engine?

    (yes, I know what a pulse jet is, I'm making fun of Fox News)

  16. sekrit planes! by jollyreaper · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I really do wonder what they're dicking around with out there. The two bits of evidence I heard of supporting the idea of a fancy post-SR-71 wonderplane were the donuts-on-a-rope contrails (which the link says can be produced by conventional aircraft under the right conditions) and linear earthquakes picked up on seismographs that do not follow any existing fault line that seemingly originate in the atmosphere. I've seen that "fact" mentioned before but have no idea how accurate it is.

    http://tinwiki.org/wiki/Aurora#Contrail

    I have no proof one way or the other, I just think it would be surprising for the government to retire something as valuable as the Blackbird without having an even better replacement in the works. Then again, using logic to explain government decisions is often a losing proposition.

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  17. Re:Slick reporting by DrLang21 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Religion is easy. It is obsurd to think that the car came into existance through millions of random design mutations that somehow did not cause it to blow up. The only reasonable explanation for the existance of the car is that it was designed and created by some intelligent being. Therefore God exists. QED.

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  18. Re:Slick reporting by reallocate · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's FOX News. They've all had their frontal lobes removed. Be happy they didn't ask if the plane could get close to heaven.

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  19. Re:Slick reporting by R2.0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In fairness, humans DO have a problem with high speeds, but it's biological, not physical. A person's reaction time has a lower limit, and it is quite possible to exceed that limit and cause problems with a person's control of a vehicle regardless of gee forces. If this were not the case, then all it would take to be a race car driver would be an extra capacity bladder.

    That being said, I'm pretty sure the anchor meant "wouldn't they be crushed?" Given that the main viewers of morning news programs are soccer moms killing time after their spawn have gone off to what passes for education in this country, I'm sure tat was their interpretation as well. After all, minivans are DANGEROUS when you go fast - that's why you have car seats and a cell phone. For emergencies.

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