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G8 Summit Aims To Kill International Piracy
arcticstoat writes "Next week, the G8 summit will discuss proposals for new international piracy laws, which include border controls and cooperation from ISPs to identify pirates. The laws will also prevent ISPs from being liable for copyright infringement. If the G8 summit were to agree on these measures and enforce them through international cooperation, could they really cut down piracy, or would they be impractical to enforce?"
What the ....?! I thought G8 were working actively _AGAINST_ global warming, and now THIS?!
Outrageous!
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Data pirates or ship-hijacking pirates? Oh data pirates. You'd think they'd deal with the other type first.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
... is to hire NINJAS!
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Piracy is taking precedence over energy conservation, alternative energy, weapons proliferation, violent crime, inflation, commodity prices and a couple permanent wars. Hooray. Let's choose an IMPORTANT topic for this year's G8 meeting. After all, quadrillions of dollars are being lost and billions of people are put out of work every day/starve to death because little Johnny watched a Britney Spears video on Youtube!
To the world's politicians: WHAT THE FUCK??? SERIOUSLY!
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Don't tell 'em it's hiding in my basement. I downloaded it last week, and had a plummer come and remove the pipes afterward just to keep its location secret.
The title of this story should read: "G8 Summit Aims To Kill International Privacy".
Avast! By the Neptune's testicles! Man the torrents, me mateys! From Fiddlers Green to Davey Jone's Locker, we'll do battle with these scurvy land lubbers! Climb the mizzen masts and get the black flag a flappin' in the Nor'Easter and WE BE IN DERE INTERTOOBS STEALIN' DERE COPYRITES!
Whoops. Lapsed from Pirate to LOLCAT there. Me heartys. KTHX!
The G8 used to consist of the 8 largest economies in the world. Now it is mostly just a group of good-old-boys who wish they were still relevant on the world economic stage.
The fact that none of China, India, or Brazil are included in the G8 and yet Italy and France are illustrate this perfectly.
If the G8 summit were to agree on these measures and enforce them through international cooperation, could they really cut down piracy, or would they be impractical to enforce?
Not a matter of impractical... You have a stegosaurus trying to step on all those pesky little rats that recently appeared on the scene.
The stegosaurus can do whatever it wants, and the rats can't stop it. The rats, however, will last far longer than the dinosaurs.
The parent post neglected to clarify the reference.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster#Pirates_and_global_warming
For those who believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Pirates are considered divine beings and the decrease in the number of pirates in the word (acording to followers of the FSM) id the true cause of global warming. Ergo, this can be seen as religious persecution!
This, of course, is a religious view which I will neither refute nor defend in this forum.
Something that causes the loss of actual lives and goods. But nope the lords of IP must be served.
http://www.voanews.com/uspolicy/2008-05-15-voa5.cfm
"The United States is very concerned about the increasing number of acts of piracy and armed robbery at sea, especially off the Somali coast," according to the U.S. Department of State. Piracy and armed robbery have disrupted trade in east Africa and threatened the delivery of humanitarian assistance to the Somali people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy
Doesn't the other side believe the same thing? If they have a will to get rid of piracy (copyright infringement), then there is a way to get rid of it. Even if it means locking everybody in cage, and throwing away the key. There's two outcomes to this. People will eventually decide that copyright infringement isn't worth the likelihood and cost of getting caught, or there will be a revolution.
Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
...what will Big Media do if they do manage to "conquer piracy" and they still don't sell more crappy content than they do now? I know I rarely bother to "pirate" any of the crap they think is so hot, there is so much niche, antique, and "unavailable" stuff that I prefer now. Lots of it really is free on the archive, among other places.
Caveat Utilitor
the internet is useful because it provides two way communication. if you make the internet a one way system, you basically have nothing more than a fancy form of television. you also therefore strip the internet of all meaning and value that you can think up examples of yourself: email, chat, interactive content, forms, etc.
so as soon as you accept the fact that the internet remains a two way medium, you begin to understand that the gig is up. policing the traffic that flows from one node to the next is an arms race. every single thing that those who wish to police traffic can do, can be routed around, obfuscated through, etc.
in other words, the gig is up, the effort is futile. piracy is permanent. all you can hope to do with your efforts is breed more hardy pirating applications. hardly what you seek to do
so the thing for a proper world leader to do is accept the inevitable, and recreate the legal structre surrounding intellectual property to accomodate the new technological reality we find ourselves in. the new technological reality we find ourselves in has simply antiquated copyright and other aspects of intellectual property as we know it, circa 1985
or wage war against technological progress. your choice
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
There's no way they can fail to stop piracy!
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My first glance at the page saw 'G8 Summons Ants to kill International Piracy'.
It would be about as effective as anything else they are going to do. I for one welcome our International Ant Overlords.
People will eventually decide that copyright infringement isn't worth the likelihood and cost of getting caught, or there will be a revolution.
There WILL be a revolution. I guarantee it. Darknets, Encryption everywhere, media erasable with the click of a button, boycotts, cheaper end-to-end privacy services... maybe the govts are idiots, but most IT companies realize there's a huge business opportunity for this. And people will use it. Sooner or later, encryption will beat intelligence agencies and then they'll be forced to either reverse their decisions or to become a totalitarian police state.
The US govt needs to be careful where it steps - they might release a monster they're unable to contain.
And the RIAA and MPAA will die anyway.
Speeding is one of the easiest crimes in the world to prosecute. Find a hiding spot and pull the trigger - POW the speeder is fined. Lets see exactly how well is that working. Same thing for drugs, prostitution, gambling etc. Now I know that no one here speeds, does drugs, hires prostitutes or gambles. Funny how effective those laws are. This one would be just as blazingly effective.
PS My image (carder) made me think of another one - underage drinking
You don't seem to particularly understand the importance of nations like Italy and France. As with Britain they're nations with extremely long histories that leave them to this day with a footing in many parts of the world. Their influence is incredibly strong internationally and it's this influence that keeps them strong economically, they're nations that simply wont sink in power because there's always nations willing to support them, trade with them and hold them up, often because of strong historical ties.
France particularly is strong in many other ways also, it's a member of the UN security council for one, has a lot of sway in the EU as does Italy- the EU is by far the worlds largest economy by GDP and many other measures.
These just aren't nations that are irrelevant, nor will they likely ever will be for decades or probably even centuries to come. I'm not saying this as a European with some arrogant feeling of self-importance (in fact, I'm British so I'm actually legally obliged to hate the French anyway ;)) but because these nations have so much power over international organisations and systems. They have the power to persuade the UN to push sanctions upon nations that dare consider trying to move away from the laws these nations produce for example and hence there's little that can topple them. Hell, a sizeable portion of the world depends on France and Italy for their defence, sure they could source equipment elsewhere but it'd take years and in the meantime they'd have zero support or ammo for their existing hardware.
It's probably worth also noting that France and Britain have been working to get China, India, Mexico, Brazil and South Africa in on the act for a little while now too, so as with most organisations irrelevance isn't relevant when change is possible as it is with the G8. China has been in on the G8 meets for a few years now anyway, there are only a few issues covered by the G8 from which it's excluded.
I am glad that the war against the G8 is now in the front cyber-lawn and so many people are saying WTF? Seems that a lot of folks here don't think *they* have a chance. Let's see if attitudes change when the storm-troopers kick down doors of student dorms to search and destroy the wifi routers...
This has been on the go in secret for a while. At the G8 they just rubber stamp the done deal. The wikileaks article is quite scary (RTFA) but what is weird is that you have to go to Wikileaks and download dodgy TIFF files to find out about it. Where's the democracy in that?
Bring on the stormtroopers. I am going to see how many peers, seeds and leeches drop off over the next month. Just fear alone might shut down P2P viability. Let's see... Virgin media subscribers are going to tidy up their act, Google/Youtube is going to get cleared up and now this. All the news is in cyber-space today, shame the real economy has fallen off of a very large cliff...
How do we setup a P2P network that goes wi-fi to wi-fi with no need for ISP's, governments and snitches? It's time for web 3.0...
Rich people come together to discuss ways of solving problems that annoy rich people, while ignoring those problems that are genuinely harmful to most people.
The very questionable belief that anything that is problematic for a rich person ultimately winds up harming the poor is once again offered as justification.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
im making a nice living
If you're a programmer, you make a nice living thanks to the IP laws you state you despise. Just sayin'.
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The G8 used to consist of the 8 largest economies in the world. Now it is mostly just a group of good-old-boys who wish they were still relevant on the world economic stage.
Members of the G8: US, Japan, Germany, UK, France, Italy, Canada, Russia.
Respective ranks in world GDP: 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 9, 11. Total GDP: two thirds of the world.
Some has-beens.
If G8 wants to get involved in something financial and internet related they should start by killing off international identity theft rings.
This is a MUCH larger dollar amount than even the claims of the content conglomerates. It also hits a broader range of businesses - primarily the financial institutions, which are already in enough trouble from the housing bubble bust.
Taking down a handfull of the biggest identity theft rings would drastically cut these losses. This would do a lot to stabilize the world economy - without appreciably shifting the world power balance or hurting any particular country (unless it was acting as a safe haven for one of the rings and participating in its ill-gotten gains).
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