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12,000 Laptops Lost Weekly At Airports

kthejoker writes "Apparently companies are even worse about losing our data than we suspected. From the article: 'According to a study of 106 major US airports and 800 business travelers published by the Ponemon Institute and Dell Computer, about 12,000 laptops are lost in airports each week. Only 30 percent of travelers ever recover the lost devices. Nearly half of the travelers say their laptops contain customer data or confidential business information.' Kinda scary..."

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  1. Insurance by Renraku · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Perhaps they should have purchased insurance? .

    After all, the workers know not to steal the ones with the insurance stickers.

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    1. Re:Insurance by Nos. · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not about the hardware. Most companies don't care about the $2000-$3000 replacement cost. Its the data, or worse yet, having to disclose that you have potentially exposed customer data that they really want to avoid.

    2. Re:Insurance by TommydCat · · Score: 4, Funny

      You've obviously never lost a company laptop... They definitely care and can show it by giving you an "off the shelf replacement" which turns out to actually be a Kaypro luggable ;)

      I've observed a similar thing with replacement Blackberrys...

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    3. Re:Insurance by kilodelta · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've had business issued laptops, cell phones, etc. but never ever lost one.

    4. Re:Insurance by initialE · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why don't they steal the ones with insurance stickers? What am I missing here?

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    5. Re:Insurance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And what about swap (paging) files? Tmp files? There are way too many potential information leaks with just one encrypted "data" partition...full-disk encryption is way better in that sense

    6. Re:Insurance by Atti+K. · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you have a decent amount of RAM (and a decent OS), you can disable swap for maximum safety. Disable hibernation and standby also, if data security is more important than convenience.

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    7. Re:Insurance by binaryspiral · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ditto... how the eff do you forget your laptop? Phone, maybe I can buy - the holster broke, it slipped out my pocket in the cab...

      But a freakin' laptop? Me thinks someone just wants a new one and doesn't want to wait until the lease is up.

    8. Re:Insurance by kaiidth · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ditto... how the eff do you forget your laptop? Phone, maybe I can buy - the holster broke, it slipped out my pocket in the cab...

      One place I worked at for a while, in France, was in an industrial estate. They'd carefully secured everything with magic keycard entry and security, and were very careful about letting laptops out of the building. I eventually got permission to travel with my laptop on the basis that I was spending weeks at a time off at the R&D centre several hundred miles away, and got a habit of taking it home in the evenings as well. I mention this because I walked in with my laptop one Tuesday morning and discovered that over the previous night, somebody had walked in and stolen every single laptop from the building. For a while I was the only person with a laptop...

      So yeah. Laptops are tempting targets and do tend to 'disappear', so some of these 'forgetfulness' issues may actually be assisted by larceny. I find it a little inexplicable that so many people actually lose them in the literal sense, but I suppose it's not all that difficult. If for example you've been from say Austin to say Milwaukee via Memphis and Chicago, and upon exiting the airport you're lugging around a small suitcase, a cabin bag, two plastic bags containing duty-free and a bottle of water to replace the one confiscated at the airport respectively, and a laptop bag, then it seems not beyond the realms of plausibility that you might inadvertently leave something behind in the taxi. This only gets worse with really long-haul flights, which often leave you disgustingly overtired and dehydrated and generally incapable of counting your own shoes, assuming you remembered to retrieve them from the X-ray machine on your way through, let alone the number of items of luggage you have on you and whether you packed your laptop in the briefcase or just carried it around the airport in its metrosexual little neoprene sock.

      I have no explanation for the number of idiots who lose laptops on trains in the UK, other than to say that if you make it through a trip from Penzance to Glasgow with your soul intact, let alone your luggage, you are already doing pretty well.

  2. Always use protection by Nos. · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Truecrypt or similar commercial offerings are available and reliable. Protect your data and ours.

    1. Re:Always use protection by Colin+Smith · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Someone has to be sued first. No excuse these days.

       

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    2. Re:Always use protection by Henry+V+.009 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The basic Debian and Fedora installs both offer full hard drive encryption as an option. It's a really good idea on any (backed-up) system with data that you don't want falling into the wrong hands.

    3. Re:Always use protection by wkk2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is not just the users. I believe the airports and their security theater is at least somewhat culpable for the $20M in losses a week. I usually carry a lot of special cords and I always have problems. The last troublesome item was two back-to-back modular jacks wire as a T1 crossover. Security handled it like it was a tarantula. After scattering everything all over the place, a supervisor finally let me pass. It is a wonder more stuff isn't lost.

      Encrypt everything. I just wish TrueCrypt had a feature that allowed the secret to be split between the user and a company web server.

    4. Re:Always use protection by Deagol · · Score: 2, Informative
      FreeBSD's geli (GEOM ELI) can have 2 different master keys, along with key files, if desired ("man geli" then search for "girlfriend"). The keys are easily backed up, as well (via the geli command or copying the last sector of the device -- which is what the command does anyways.) So even if you didn't have a 2nd key, you'd back up the key when you deployed the device to the end-user, and then, short of intentional device corruption (which, I assume, any HD crypto scheme is susceptible to), then the admin can recover the data.

      For grins, I've started using full-HD encryption with geli on my workstation. It's really nice. I boot from a USB stick, which has just enough of the kernel and a fstab to mount the encrypted root device, then after passwords (1 for each of my 2 drives) are entered, everything just works. Speed, of course, is taken down a notch, but using gjournal with -o async,noatime helps a little.

      I encourage folks to check it out.

    5. Re:Always use protection by papna · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't know exactly why he's taking such things on the plane, but I know personally I fly with no checked baggage as often as I can.

    6. Re:Always use protection by wkk2 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I was installing a router in an airport and returning home without ever leaving the airport. If I had checked the crossover, I would have needed to take it back through security anyway. I have also fixed stuff while waiting for a layover. Two trips for the price of one.

  3. This raises important questions by merreborn · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...Why do they keep giving these 800 people laptops if they're each losing over 12 per week?

    1. Re:This raises important questions by whiplashx · · Score: 5, Funny
      Reminds me of the statistic: Every 2 seconds an American woman is raped.

      That poor woman...

    2. Re:This raises important questions by heneon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I heard for every driver that got killed in a car accident, 1 out of 5 was drunk. So I better drink before getting behind the steering wheel, if sober drivers are more likely to get killed!

  4. Math by HunterZ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Where the hell are the 40,000 unrecovered laptops a year going? Is there really that much of a market for used (stolen) laptops?

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    1. Re:Math by toby34a · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's called Unclaimed Baggage, and it's wonderful. I need to make another trip out there (only 40 minutes from Huntsville, AL. http://www.unclaimedbaggage.com/

  5. www.ebay.com by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 4, Funny

    .... and the answer is yes.

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  6. Miniscule by mrroot · · Score: 5, Informative

    That is nothing compared to the amount of passenger's luggage that is lost daily by the airlines.

    But still, what kind of moron loses their laptop while traveling? I can't imagine letting it out of my sight or even out of my reach.

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    1. Re:Miniscule by mrroot · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I have done some software development work for the Airlines, and one thing I learned is your bags do not necessarily follow the same path you do (yes even on a direct flight). The fact that you checked them early actually was probably your mistake because you gave them a chance to put them on a different flight.

      And from my own personal experience it is frustrating trying to communicate with the baggage complaint desk person (could there be a worse job?) because the airline doesn't consider them lost, only delayed, and they are sure to remind you of that throughout the conversation.

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    2. Re:Miniscule by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You know, you put your stuff on the belt, walk through the detector, and they ask you to step aside for special screening without giving you a chance to collect your stuff. Or the detector beeps, and they need to ask you to step aside so they can check you with a wand. And all the while this is happening there is a crowd of people between you and your stuff. You can't see it. You can't tell the TSA agent to let you go so you can keep an eye on your stuff.

      It is a miracle I have never lost anything at during security check.

    3. Re:Miniscule by KurdtX · · Score: 2, Informative

      what kind of moron loses their laptop while traveling? I can't imagine letting it out of my sight or even out of my reach.

      I take it you haven't been to an airport in the last decade, if ever.

      The study does point out about half are lost at security, where everyone (moron or not) has to put their laptop out of sight and out of reach.

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    4. Re:Miniscule by jandrese · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's actually a little surprising, because I've been on flights before where someone checks a bag and then doesn't show up for the departure (there's always at least one), and they have to open the cargo hold up and search for his bag to remove it.

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    5. Re:Miniscule by syousef · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But still, what kind of moron loses their laptop while traveling? I can't imagine letting it out of my sight or even out of my reach.

      It doesn't take a moron. It takes someone who's momentarily distracted, tired, or asleep.

      I could say it takes an uncompassionate git to make such a sweeping statement with no regard for the wide variety of circumstances under which people that travel.

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  7. Lost? Insurance scam more likely by waynemcdougall · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My experience working in a hotel...

    Business person (men and women) leave laptop in hotel room. Contact said person to return it.

    "Oh, no, don't send it back - it's a year old - I claim on insurance and get a new, faster, better laptop. You can have it."

    I can't help thinking an airport is a better place to "upgrade" your laptop - none of those pesky hotel staff trying to return it to you.

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    1. Re:Lost? Insurance scam more likely by goofyspouse · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It also could be done to avoid the costs associated with recycling outdated hardware.

      But, in this day and age, isn't every abandoned piece of luggage treated like a WMD? I would expect a lot more bomb squad activity at airports based on these (surely inflated) numbers.

  8. huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This story is bunk. It does not pass the sniff test.

    600,000 laptops a year just floating around in thieves hands.. I don't buy it..

    Bad science.. bad study.

    The story doesn't say how many are recovered before the laptop loser leaves the building. it is probably 90%. I can live with 60,000 a year stolen.. but 600k.. blah.

  9. Pokemon Institute by andrewd18 · · Score: 4, Funny

    published by the Pokemon Institute ... about 12,000 laptops are lost in airports each week

    They're missing because I caught them all!

  10. 208000 laptops per year... by denzacar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You know... that comes out to about 1004000 laptops every five years.

    If we could only get airport personnel to increase their "output" we could scrap that pointless One Laptop Per Child project.
    Those things cost money.
    These would be like... for free.

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    1. Re:208000 laptops per year... by fizzup · · Score: 5, Funny

      I get it 12,000 laptops per week times 17 1/3 weeks per year means 208,000 laptops per year.

      208,000 laptops per year times 4.8269231 years means 1,004,000 laptops in five years.

      What are you on? Glue?

  11. In unrelated news... by Mike1024 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    According to a study [...] published by the Ponemon Institute and Dell Computer, about 12,000 laptops are lost in airports each week. Only 30 percent of travelers ever recover the lost devices. Nearly half of the travelers say their laptops contain customer data or confidential business information.

    In what I'm sure is completely unrelated news, the release of this report coincides with Dell releasing a new service - Dell Mobility Services Aim To Protect Notebook Data, and New Dell Services Help Users Hunt Down Missing Laptops.

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  12. Relieved upon reading the article... by lena_10326 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I thought this was going to be another story about TSA outright stealing laptops. Glad to read it's about people misplacing them instead. Whew.

    When I travel with a laptop, I make sure it's my only carry-on. I store extras in the front and inner pockets of the laptop bag. You're less likley to lose something if you've only got 1 thing to remember.

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    1. Re:Relieved upon reading the article... by v1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I can't imagine anyone checking a laptop. Carry on definitely the way to go. Watch a movie while you're at it.

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  13. Hard To Believe by Alcoholist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This number of lost laptops in airports is pretty hard to believe. Worldwide laptop production is like what, 60 million units? This article seems to be telling us that one percent of all the laptops made every year in the whole entire world are lost in U.S. airports.

    It's a pretty big number given all the other ways a laptop can meet its end. Where are they all going? Is there some kind of giant warehouse somewhere?

    No wonder mobile sector of the computer industry is booming.

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  14. Seems a little high by visible.frylock · · Score: 5, Insightful

    12,000 / 106 = avg 113 laptops / airport / week.

    Seems a little high. The pdf doesn't mention what was counted in "lost/stolen" laptops. Do they count every time someone couldn't find their baggage on the belt and reported it (and it just so happened they had a laptop)?

    Only thing the pdf says about it is this:

    Laptop loss frequencies were collected from a confidential field survey as either a direct weekly estimate or as a range variable as reported by airport officials. Exact loss frequencies were typically not calculated or available for review.

    The article does say though that the study was sponsored by Dell supporting its ProSupport Mobility whatever. It claims that Ponemon conducted it independently.

    Either way, encrypt your laptops, and try to setup RDC or somesuch, so you can prevent sensitive data from being cached. But encryption should stop casual thieves 99% of the time. I assume Dell's stuff they're selling is meant to wait until someone accesses the internet with a stolen laptop and try to track it that way. But shouldn't the top priority be to prevent data from being accessed in the first place?

    What's more important? The data or the hardware cost?

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  15. Look at who sponsered the 'study' by spoco2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Really, let's look at who sponsored this study... Dell, and what do they have to gain from having businesses think that their laptops are all going to be lost?

    Why, insurance from them obviously. They do have very good lost/accidental insurance cover (which I got on my current laptop because work paid for it)... but it costs money, and obviously makes them money overall.

    So, take these results with a monstrous rock of salt.

    1. Re:Look at who sponsered the 'study' by OldSoldier · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Really, let's look at who sponsored this study... Dell, and what do they have to gain from having businesses think that their laptops are all going to be lost?

      So, take these results with a monstrous rock of salt.

      Really? While I understand the nature of conflict of interest, on the spectrum of things that are open to interpretation, this one seems closer to "fact" than "opinion". You walk into an airport with a laptop, you walk out without one, boom... you're one of the 12,000.

      Sometimes facts are facts regardless of who's spouting them. If I told you the next new Moon was August 1, would you "take that with a monstrous rock of salt" because I was in the outdoor evening lighting business?

    2. Re:Look at who sponsered the 'study' by B30-7A · · Score: 2, Informative

      I agree. I've flown out of Orange County a lot in the last three years and I swear every time I'm there for the 6:45 am mad rush I hear the base ball announcer dude come on the PA asking someone to return to security to claim a forgotten laptop. I'm thinking 12,000 is a reasonable number.

    3. Re:Look at who sponsered the 'study' by KurdtX · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Really? While I understand the nature of conflict of interest, on the spectrum of things that are open to interpretation, this one seems closer to "fact" than "opinion". You walk into an airport with a laptop, you walk out without one, boom... you're one of the 12,000.

      Sometimes facts are facts regardless of who's spouting them. If I told you the next new Moon was August 1, would you "take that with a monstrous rock of salt" because I was in the outdoor evening lighting business?

      I believe the conflict of interest was spelled out pretty clearly in TFA: "Dell used the report to support its launch of Dell ProSupport Mobility Services"

      Your analogy is pretty bad, you're talking about a binary event that we not only know to the day, but to the second. The study was done by sampling, and oh btw, if you read the study it does not say "about 12,000", it says "up to 12,000". A proper analogy there would be: Human beings grow to up to 8ft 11in in height. I'm sure you can see how a company presenting that as typical needs to be taken with a monstrous rock of salt.

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    4. Re:Look at who sponsered the 'study' by ktappe · · Score: 3, Informative

      You walk into an airport with a laptop, you walk out without one, boom... you're one of the 12,000.

      Riiiight. And how exactly does that happen? It magically vaporizes from your carryon? When exactly is that? My carryon never leaves my person, and thus my laptop never leaves my person...except for when it's going thru the metal detector. If my laptop disappeared in that machine, they'd have to pry me away from that machine with a crowbar. And I can't even come close to fathoming that happening 12,000 times per week. Thus, I call serious shenanigans on this 12,000/week claim. And as a result of that, I likewise call shenanigans on your simple "boom" acceptance that this is actually occurring.

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    5. Re:Look at who sponsered the 'study' by arth1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Indeed. It's like a car insurance company that tells you that you can save UP TO 15% by switching to them. That doesn't imply you'll save anything.

      10 laptops satisfies the "up to 12,000" figure.

      Also, keep in mind that the figure is rather useless unless you compare it to the number of laptops taken successfully through airports. 12,000 might sound high if you think of 12,000 travellers, but is rather low if it tuns out to equate to a 0.01% risk.

      All in all, this is slashvertising at its best. Don't give this D*** company any more publicity than what they actually deserve. This ain't it.

    6. Re:Look at who sponsered the 'study' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Riiiight. And how exactly does that happen? ... my laptop never leaves my person...except for when it's going thru the metal detector."

      Two guys decide they want your laptop. So:
      1. They both get in front of you.
      2. Person A (in the lead) moves through security a little slower than normal.
      3. Person B takes extra time moving through security (change, belt buckle, keys on person) after you drop your case on the belt.
      4. Person A grabs your case, hits the bathroom, dumps everything but the machine and leaves.

      Is this likely? Not really these days but still possible.

      "If my laptop disappeared in that machine, they'd have to pry me away from that machine with a crowbar."

      Picture this: "I WANT MY LAPTOP BACK RI ... ZAP! CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK ..." Not a crowbar but requires less arm movement.

  16. I rent a laptop when I get there by crovira · · Score: 4, Insightful

    and VPN into my network here. (In defense, I keep NICE toys up here. Stuff the client doesn't need to know about.)

    The client picks up the cost and I don't carry anything when I travel.

    The safest place to keep my data is right at home.

    When the job is over I wipe the drive anyway, hand it back to the rental place and catch a flight back.

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    1. Re:I rent a laptop when I get there by citylivin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I assume you install a new OS on those rented laptops too, open up the case to look for hardware keyloggers.. etc

      Something you bought and secured yourself is way more trustworthy than some random laptop from a rental place.

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    2. Re:I rent a laptop when I get there by element-o.p. · · Score: 5, Funny

      Is it just me, or did the above post sound like it was written by a hit man? ;)

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  17. You know you live in a decadent country when... by owlstead · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Los Angeles's LAX reported more laptop losses than any other airport, about 1,200 per week. Most of the airports said they generally keep the laptops for some period of times, then destroy them if they are unclaimed."

    Destroy perfectly good computers??? Why??? Just destroy the drive, at most. Come on, how stupid can you get? Put them in schools, give them out to students, sell them to another country, but for Pete's sake don't throw them on landfills.

    1. Re:You know you live in a decadent country when... by syousef · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They're destroyed to remove the conflict of interest/incentive for empoyees in charge of returning them. Whether that's perceived or actual...who knows. I'll bet they're not all destroyed though. I bet there's some corruption somewhere and someone who sees the waste and decides "I'll have that then".

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  18. Lost or stolen by Haxx · · Score: 2, Insightful

        I think "Lost" should be replaced with stolen. The numbers are absurdly high, if 624,000 laptops are going missing at airports each year then that is a threat to national security and the goverment should do something. This article is a troll.

  19. Common sense by jrothwell97 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I never let my laptop out of my sight anywhere - as has been said, prevention is better than a cure. Do not check it in, take it on as hand luggage. If security wants to check your machine to prove it's not a cleverly disguised stick of dynamite, watch them. Keep an eye on your luggage, and if you see someone opening up a bag and helping themselves to its contents, take a picture with your mobile phone or equivalent: otherwise, it'll be your word against the baggage handler's.

    Another thing that tends to stop the machine getting lost/stolen is to take it around in a bag that is not specifically a 'laptop' bag. I stick my Eee PC into my bag, a fabric satchel, and while it does mean that cables get a bit tangled up, everything is safe and it's less likely to draw thieves' attention to it. It also has the added advantage of being able to wrap it around your ankle, so if someone tries to pinch it, you'll feel it tugging against your leg.

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  20. By the Numbers by perlith · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I find it interesting 14% of those who responded to the survey classified themselves as a job role in "information technology". This is the third highest behind sales (24%) and management (20%). Not necessarily a result of job role, but rather, of company culture towards such losses.

  21. Not me... by denzacar · · Score: 3, Funny
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  22. OK, so I'm looking at the actual report now... by spoco2 · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's here

    First up:
    "Laptop loss frequencies were collected from a confidential field survey as either a direct weekly estimate or as a range variable as reported by airport officials. Exact loss frequencies were typically not calculated or available for review."

    It's all just averages using methods that are vague.

    Then... 22% of these lost in the major airports are recovered before the flight... (15% in the minor) but they include all of these laptops that were lost for a number of minutes.

    Then there are 9% (Major) and 20% (Minor) that are recovered after the flight.

    Come on, we're talking most likely badly taken figures in the first place, and then including laptops that aren't really lost at all.

  23. Re:Sponsor laptop theft study=laptop vendor? wow! by lpq · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So Dell's primary business is selling laptop insurance?

    I don't think so...

    OTOH -- if that stolen laptop is from Dell -- better make sure you never call up for support on it.
    Dunno about other laptop vendors, but Dell's been getting keeping close track of machines purchased by companies -- what company owns them, who is calling on their behalf...etc.

    If all laptop vendors did that, it seems it might drop the worth of stolen laptops, since they are not notoriously reliable and long-lived.

  24. How do you forget a laptop? by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How pampered does one have to be to forget a laptop? I paid a lot for mine, and I'm not leaving it ANYWHERE.

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