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Microsoft Going After Yahoo! Again
Corrupt writes "Microsoft on Monday released a letter that supports investor activist Carl Icahn's efforts to unseat Yahoo's board, as well as confirming its interest to explore a bid to buy the entire company, or just its search assets, with a new board."
Who here find this surprising? Didn't think so.
And we are supposed to believe that MS can create competitive products? It doesn't look much like that. sad.
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Microsoft is showing how scared it is of losing the online search battle. Maybe because it realizes that it is also losing ground rapidly in software.
The nice thing about Rome is that we still have lots of pretty statues...too bad the same can't be said about old code.
The only reason they're doing so is because Yahoo's shareholders can see that it makes sense.
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What good name? Really Yahoo has 0 reputation right now, good or bad. Google has a reputation, MS has a reputation, but Yahoo has no reputation. I think it is less of tarnishing a reputation and more of trying to hold second place rather then move down with MS.
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for goodness sake, WHY? Seriously. Does Microsoft really think Yahoo will help them? It'll just make a bloated conglomerate even more bloated with extraneous staff and duplicate job junctions. Sure, some of those will be weeded out, but dammit, when will MS get the point that they don't need to be BIGGER, they need to be LEANER and more efficient in doing things. Get rid of redundant redundancy. Stop having 12 guys work on the Start menu. And you wonder why their products are so bloody crappy now. Will they ever learn?
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Microsoft shareholders, on the other hand, should be screaming bloody murder.
No, but i find most of the worlds population being greedy pricks. While im no communist i do think there are more important things to our society than money.
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Yahoo peaked when it released Yahoo Mail. They haven't really done anything new or innovative or even relevant since.
It should be burning a hole in his pocket. Shareholders get antsy when companies hold on to a huge cash reserve without any plans for what they're going to do with it. That cash should be used to grow the company or should be returned to the shareholders in the form of a dividend. Having it sit in the bank isn't helping the shareholders at all.
Microsoft used to say they needed their big cash reserves to fight off giant lawsuits, especially the anti-trust suits. Now that the government has rolled over and given up, though, MS is going to have to come up with something to do with all that cash. Buying up other companies is a popular way to do that.
Well, do something about it then... Switch from Google to search.yahoo.com and make it easier to compete with Google. Google is the (traditional) Microsoft of the web, assimilating and dominating search.
when did corporate raider get changed to "investor activist"? I must have missed that memo.
Also Icahn and his ilk have no interest in real "investment", he simply wants to boost the stock price long enough to dump it. They don't understand or care that the two companies are a horrible match technology wise, management wise, and corporate culture wise and that a merger between the two would leave Yahoo an empty shell a year later.
Apparently when you are a sufficiently large publicly traded corporation it is expected that you adopt short-sighted suicidal tendencies.
Thus the problem with publicly traded companies... the only thing that matters are the shareholders.
I think this deal will be the doom of MS. The one thing that MS has going for it right now is a large cash reserve. This purchase will actually put MS heavily into debt. Yahoo is profitable but not wildly profitable as to pay back the purchase price. Even if they took over Google's position, they'd still be in debt. Financially, for this merger to work, they'd have to run Google out of the market. Even if they managed that, others are likely to follow in Google's place.
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That's the silliest thing ever to say. You could just as easily say, "in a privately held company, the only thing that matters are the owners." You might say one is better than the other, but it's a pointless argument that totally depends on the situation. The mafia can be the owner of a private company, they can't be the owner of a public company, and I would much rather have shareholders coming after me than the mafia.
In any company, a lot of things matter: shareholders or owners, employees, customers, business partners....the fact is if you are depending on ANY company to "look out" for your best interest, you are highly naive. That's pretty much how life is, everyone is looking out for their own interest.
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As I said, Gmail and Google Maps took Ajax and web-based-apps to a new level, crushing the competition with better technology. I didn't say Google invented the internet, or even invented Ajax.
Google innovated in these areas by applying creative uses of new technology, and that's why it's Google Maps not Mapquest, and Gmail not Yahoo Mail or Hotmail that everyone uses these days. Google deserves every ounce of credit for these.
And yes, every innovation comes back to some individual or purchased company or whatever who actually sat there and wrote the code. A company (Google in this case) promoted and marketed and guided these excellent ideas and helped turn them into successes. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that process.
I've seen plenty of companies take good people and good ideas, and instead of recognizing and promoting them, they demoralize the individuals and pervert the best of ideas into an abomination. This is often done in the name of "marketing" (check out ICQ's massive failure in AOL's hands), or copying the existing market instead of doing something original (last company I worked for wouldn't even consider doing anything other than directly copying features from the market leader).
A company that recognizes and promotes innovative ideas deserves all the credit they can get.
At this point, considering the approach, I strongly suspect that Microsoft is less interested in purchasing Yahoo! as they are in just removing Yahoo! from the field.
This sort of corporate business makes me weep for our entire culture. =/
But a US corporation has to put their shareholders interests above all else mandated by law. Lots of things matter but customers, employees, partners, etc all play second and third sheet music with the shareholder.
Because you will end up with a very badly crippled silverlight on any other platform than Windows. Oh sure they might put out a decent Apple version since they aren't really playing for the high end market that Apple courts,but you can bet your bottom dollar that Linux will end up with a crappy,half baked,more likely to crash than work version if they end up with anything at all. Classic Embrace,Extend,Extinguish. They will say that a later version has functions that can only be derived from our excellent Windows Display Driver Model and that will be that.
Never forget that the name of the game is lock in at MSFT,and always has been. And I am not some Linux Fanboi,having used and made money off of MSFT software since the days of DOS and Win3.11. But I am also a realist,and it isn't like MSFT has been exactly subtle in this regard. If they buy Yahoo I'll be sticking my 3 Yahoo mail accounts onto every spammer board I can find so they can be crapflooded while I switch over to something new. Because I remember when Hotmail(before MSFT) was actually good.
And while I'd be willing to stick around for a month or so just to see how it goes I'll be willing to bet that Yahoo will end up just as big a bloated ad ridden crapfest as Hotmail and Live search are now. They have shown time and time again that the web division is strictly run by marketing who doesn't have a clue as to what folks actually want. Their answer to everything seems to be "pump up the revenue! fill it with ads to the brim" which turns it into useless crap. Don't believe me? Try using Live search and Hotmail with Noscript and Adblock shut off and see what you get. But as always this is my 02c from years of watching MSFT destroy companies in their fruitless search for a clue,YMMV
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
But we haven't gotten to the "extend" portion of it yet,have we? I have no doubt it would be trivial for MSFT to tie some new must have features to some voodoo APIs buried in Windows that would take the Linux guys ages to try to figure out. It's like OOXML and the "render like Office 97",they have so many funky APIs buried in the bowels they could just keep tying new features to different ones and drive the Linux guys nuts. Remember it isn't about not making it work at all,although I'm sure MSFT wouldn't mind that,it is about making sure that any non Windows version runs BADLY. Then they can point to the "immaturity" of Linux and use silverlight as a selling point for Windows.
And finally don't forget the elephant in the room that is DirectX. I'm sure it wouldn't be hard for them to tie some acceleration functions that will slow the machine to a crawl unless it is running DirectX,which will then offload some of the rendering to the GPU. Like i said I'm no fanboi of ANY platform,preferring to use what works for a given job,but like I said they haven't been subtle. MSJava,sites that will either render right on IE or on other browsers but not both,etc. I'm sure if you looked you could find at least a dozen more going back to DOS. it is just how MSFT works,period. And if I had made the amount of cash they have by doing those tricks I doubt I'd change either.
But if the Open Source guys want to compete with Adobe,cook up some low resource using flash killer. But betting on one 800 pound gorilla to save you from the other just isn't a smart move. After all,either way you end up with a VERY nasty 800 pound gorilla that you have to find a way to play nice with. But as always this is my 02c,YMMV
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
Google is the (traditional) Microsoft of the web
It's not. The lock-in effect is missing, plain and simple.
The problem with silverlight is that it is not a necessary product. This is proven year after year as we have not had a need for it, hence it didn't exist.
What silverlight is, is a monopoly corporation's attempting to nasty up the playing field by using their monopoly in one field to gain a monopoly in another.
It isn't bringing about new features or better programming. It's about the same with a little bit here different and a little bit there. Maybe it is good for programmers but the programmers only need make what the customers want and what we want is what we have.
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Believe me, I agree.
But it's pretty much every week that I see someone write that corporations are legally required to think about shareholders first.
As with so many of the problems in the US today, I assign the blame to the stupidity of the mob. A person can be smart; people are stupid.
And unfortunately, I can't think of any way human nature can be fixed.
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