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The State of R&D At HP, IBM, and Microsoft

jcatcw writes "Computerworld surveys the R&D efforts at HP, IBM and Microsoft ($17 billion annually) and raises the question: Are these companies supporting more long-term basic research, or just the usual short-term, product-oriented work? HP is consolidating its focus on a few 'big bet' projects in five major research areas — information explosion, dynamic cloud services, content transformation, intelligent infrastructure, and sustainability. IBM has four 'high-risk' basic research areas — nanotechnology, cloud computing, integrated systems and chip architecture, and managing business integrity through advanced math and computer science. Many of the 272 research projects named at Microsoft Research's Web site are structured with major product lines like Windows, Office, or Xbox in mind, but many also seem to have no likely application to anything the company sells today."

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  1. Cloud computing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dear fucking god, my boss comes in at least once a week and asks me if our flagship app could run on cloud computing. Give me a gun and one bullet please.

    1. Re:Cloud computing by vilgefortz · · Score: 5, Funny

      You should heed dilbert's advice and take away all industry magazines from your boss.

    2. Re:Cloud computing by peragrin · · Score: 4, Funny

      sure it is. it needs to be a really big bullet though and you need to super heat it before it hits the clouds. Fire it from space. The cloud will dissipate around it.

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    3. Re:Cloud computing by bryce4president · · Score: 5, Funny

      Not if you are a PHB

    4. Re:Cloud computing by Eighty7 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hans? Is that you?

    5. Re:Cloud computing by sjames · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's easy, one day when he's out, connect wall current directly to the motherboard of his computer, Apply an etherkiller as well just to be complete.

      Tell him you tested the app with cloud computing as he asked, but it was so powerful it turned into a thunderhead and nearly burned the building down. Luckily it grounded itself into his PC.

      Tell him you'll be trying again soon, but need to requisition a few electricians to rewire the building first.

      If he balks, come back in a couple days and tell him you've figured out how to do a small scale test. Have him order everyone in the office to hop on one foot over a rubber mat patting their heads and rubbing their bellies at the same time (to generate an intermittent ground wave of opposing static charge). Video tape his orders and the results, be sure to get his whacked out explanation to the staff.

      Now, call mental health services and submit the video anonymously to his boss.

      Bonus points if your story about the experiment magnetizing him and attracting cosmic rays actually convinces him he feels little pinpricks periodically. The random twitching and slapping himself should seal the deal.

      Lather, rinse, repeat endlessly.

  2. No money in Research by jshriverWVU · · Score: 3, Interesting

    These are businesses not institutions. They are in the business of making money via products they have mastered. Not a troll just the truth. However check out some of the better colleges and you'll find some sweet research going on. Then these big companies pay the kid 1m for the rights, patent it and make 100m off of it. Cycle of life :)

  3. The nature of research by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Whether research is aimed at solving an immediate problem or a problem conjured up in the mind of a scientist, it is not the technical abilities that make research useful. Any project can come up with a solution, pretty much. Rather, it is the mindset that "we are doing research" that makes the activity so productive.

    By opening your eyes to all possibilities and outcomes makes even mistakes useful, and having no penalty (relatively speaking, of course) when those mistakes arise frees researchers to create and build. Instead of creating a tailored solution, they can find various solutions and even branch out into more fruitful areas if the main branch turns cold.

    Having overarching themes that you want to pursue, like HP and IBM have, makes it easy for researchers to focus. On the other hand, pure research as they do at MS allows the researchers to go off in any direction that seems fruitful, even if most of the projects end up as dead ends.

    1. Re:The nature of research by Ichoran · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Researchers--good ones, anyway--generally don't have a problem focusing. Having an overarching theme just makes it easier for them to focus on the problem that you want them to work on.

      Also, research doesn't need to involve a solution. Much of the best basic research usually involves just wanting to know how something works. (Once you understand, then you can come up with applications and devise solutions using the new findings, but that's often the &D part of R&D.)

  4. Article fails to mention... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...that $35 million line item in Microsoft's budget that reads "EVIL (misc.)"

  5. Dynamic Cloud Services? by istartedi · · Score: 3, Funny

    Evidently, their lab's automated buzzword generating script is being tested.

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    1. Re:Dynamic Cloud Services? by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Grammar nazi's are the WORST waste of human space there is online.

      That's "Nazis". HTH, HAND.

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    2. Re:Dynamic Cloud Services? by SilverEyes · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think what you mean to say is: "Grammar [corrected as above] Nazis are the WORST waste of human space there [b]are[/b] online." However... as I read on in your post, I think you're trying to be ironic. I applaud your hilarious use of (but not limited to); run-on sentences, missing subjects, improper abbreviations (PHD should be PhD), using the wrong conjugation ("OR proof" should be "OR prove"), extra commas ("...have to contribute, so their stupidity..."), and wrong plurality ("...underachievers there is online today.").

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  6. As much as I don't like Microsoft... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    MS research actually does some pretty cool stuff and, more notably, that cool stuff includes things unrelated to OMG-Must-Keep-Wall-Street-Happy-This-Quarter type projects.
    I fully admit that I am speaking from a small dataset; but I am inclined to suspect that good corporate R&D is perhaps the one upside to companies with more market power than is strictly desireable. Think about Bell Labs back in the day. They did loads of basic research, including such minor little projects as transistors and Unix. Compare this to our dear present day carriers, whose primary mode of "innovation" appears to be writing ever more incomprehensible contracts.

    This is hardly to say that high concentrations of market power are a good thing, as R&D can be done in startups and universities and the like without all the downsides; but it does seem that high levels of market power do, somewhat, preserve R&D from being sacrificed on the altar of quarterly results.

    1. Re:As much as I don't like Microsoft... by LaughingCoder · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Compare this to our dear present day carriers, whose primary mode of "innovation" appears to be writing ever more incomprehensible contracts.

      That is so not true! They are very innovative at figuring out ways to charge their customers for add-on services. For instance - sell them a camera phone and then *charge* them to get the pictures out of the phone. Sell them a "music" phone that uses proprietary headphones only. Sell them their favorite song as a ringtone, then sell it again to them as a full track, and then sell it to them again as a ringback tone -- brilliant!

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  7. didn't we just hear about HP? by peragrin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Didn't researchers at HP recently discover how to build memreistor's? That isn't a 6 month to market product and can profoundly change computing.

    Thus negating the article at least for HP. IBM does work like this also it is where the Cell processor idea came from years and years ago.

    MSFT does have singularity, and a few other pieces of completely random but cool tech that will break compatibility with their other offerings so they will never see the market but are still done just because.

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  8. Research is practically a Moot Point by mpapet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously,

    These companies are so large the basic research dies sometime after the researcher gives his presentation to Marketing/Product Management.

    Marketing may, actually come up with some good ideas, and send them into some Managerial circle jerk with Sales Management. After a couple of comments, the good ideas die in a perpetual Gordian knot.

    The knot presents itself as:

    1. No customers for new idea.
    2. No budget for some new idea.
    3. No "proven" market for new idea.
    4. No one is willing to risk their status taking a chance at a new product.

    Which leads to a tremendous waste of resources "catching up" to upstarts at a later date.

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  9. Narrow view by jmcbain · · Score: 5, Informative

    Parent poster has a narrow view of industry research. I graduated with my PhD in CS about six years ago from a top-20 university and have worked in an industry research lab. The primary output of industry research are patents, papers, and products (either new products or improving products). And the research labs at Microsoft, IBM, HP, and Yahoo are all very good at this. Take a look at the top CS conferences in the fields where these companies have a stake, and you will see that industry research contributes a large share of the paper output (e.g. SOSP, OSDI, SIGMOD, VLDB, WWW, KDD, etc.). Further, these companies are spending lots of money sponsoring a wide breadth of conferences and helping to drive fundamental research at a time when NSF funding is low. These companies should be applauded.

    1. Re:Narrow view by xtracto · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I completely agree.

      I was fortunate to participate in (Comp. Sci.) a research project where some industry companies worked along with some Universities. One of those companies was HP (participating via a researcher appointed to the project).

      I can say from first account experience that HP was one of the companies which put more interest and time in the research (while, other unamed companies sometimes were not even present at the meetings).

      From that project, I learnt several things about HP research (at least in Europe). They indeed have several projects going. A lot of those projects are however "sensitive" or secret. But you certainly can see several good publications with interesting implications coming from HP.

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  10. Re:Designed in Taiwan by H0p313ss · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You might want to try explaining this to the tens of thousands of IBM employees in North America.

    I think that thousands of former IBM employees in North America already know.

    So explain why they're hiring?

    Yes... they may have reduced their helpless desk staff, but R&D is growing

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  11. Corporate research then and now by ErichTheRed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, it is true that large companies spend some money on research. It's not the same kind of spend we used to have though, and that won't change until companies don't have to constantly scramble to post big numbers every quarter.

    Since this pressure is going to be there from now on, all research will continue to focus on a product the company can sell in a very short time. (Look at multi-touch surfaces rumored to be included in Windows 7 for example.)

    There are two problems that will keep this short term focus going forever. The first is that everyone depends 100% on the stock market for their retirement now -- this wasn't the case in the 60s and 70s when Bell Labs, IBM, etc. were able to invest huge amounts of money in research. The second problem is that because everyone's responsible for their own retirement, they're constantly watching the market, making it impossible for a company to think long term. If you miss your numbers as CEO for more than a quarter or two, you're fired, even if you're doing the right things long-term.

    I can't imagine a CEO being able to address a shareholder meeting and explain that research is important. Everyone would start shouting "Shut up and gimme my money!"