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Making the Switch To Windows "Workstation" 2008

snydeq writes "Disenchanted with Vista? Why not convert Windows Server 2008 into the lean, efficient, reliable 'power user' OS that Windows should be? InfoWorld's Randall Kennedy, who has been using a converted 'Workstation' 2008 as his primary OS since hitting a wall using Vista as a Visual Studio development platform four months ago, says the guerrilla OS has turned his Dell notebook into a well-oiled machine that never gets sluggish and rarely needs to reboot. Those interested in making the switch should check out win2008workstation.com, a clearinghouse for 'Workstation' 2008 tips and techniques. Kennedy also offers a link to a Windows 2008 Workstation Converter utility for those looking to quickly convert a fresh Server 2008 install without hacking the registry or manually installing/enabling lots of services and features."

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  1. Vista... Microsoft's "New Coke" by gbulmash · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A Windows install without all the needless bells and whistles runs nicely. Who'd have thunk it. Well, many consumers thunk it, but Microsoft's marketing demagogues didn't.

    IMO, Vista is Microsoft's version of New Coke or the Arch Deluxe (if any of you are old enough to remember them). Although the same could have been said about Windows ME.

    Maybe Windows is like Star Trek movies... only every other release is good.

    1. Re:Vista... Microsoft's "New Coke" by Baricom · · Score: 5, Funny

      IMO, Vista is Microsoft's version of New Coke...Although the same could have been said about Windows ME.

      Perhaps Windows ME was New Coke and Vista is just Pepsi.

      Maybe Windows is like Star Trek movies... only every other release is good.

      Would it be more accurate to say, "every other release is less bad?"

      Arch Deluxe

      Now you've crossed the line. The Arch Deluxe was the best McDonald's sandwich ever. It made Big Macs look like they came out of a vending machine.

    2. Re:Vista... Microsoft's "New Coke" by maglor_83 · · Score: 5, Funny

      The Arch Deluxe was the best McDonald's sandwich ever.

      Is that meant to sound impressive?

    3. Re:Vista... Microsoft's "New Coke" by MsGeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Windows2000 Professional saved the world from Windows ME.

      There, fixed that for you.

      Something will save us from Vista.

      Like Ubuntu, Kubuntu, or Xubuntu.

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    4. Re:Vista... Microsoft's "New Coke" by bandersnatch · · Score: 5, Funny

      Windows2000 Professional saved the world from Windows ME.

      There, fixed that for you.

      Something will save us from Vista.

      Like Ubuntu, Kubuntu, or Xubuntu.

      Cthulhu?

    5. Re:Vista... Microsoft's "New Coke" by kiddygrinder · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think you mean Debian Ubuntu, Xandros Ubuntu, Mandriva Ubuntu etc...

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    6. Re:Vista... Microsoft's "New Coke" by Dersaidin · · Score: 5, Funny

      Cthulhuntu*

    7. Re:Vista... Microsoft's "New Coke" by BrainInAJar · · Score: 5, Funny

      Cthulubuntu , linux for planet eating beings

    8. Re:Vista... Microsoft's "New Coke" by k_187 · · Score: 5, Funny

      using the grilled chicken instead of meat

      That says something about the chicken at McDonalds I think.

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    9. Re:Vista... Microsoft's "New Coke" by redxxx · · Score: 5, Funny

      Bah, it's terrible. The non-euclidean window manager gives me the worst headaches.

    10. Re:Vista... Microsoft's "New Coke" by LuNa7ic · · Score: 5, Funny

      Cthulhuntu*

      Don't you mean GNU/Cthulhuntu?

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  2. Plust best of all by nizo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You can double the cost of your $700 PC.

    1. Re:Plust best of all by voltheir · · Score: 5, Informative

      And this is why, as a developer or a card-carrying geek club member, you get an MSDN account. I've been running Server 08 as my core OS since its beta versions and have been nothing but thrilled with it. I still prefer the linux command line and power, but with the add-ons and virtualization at my fingertips I can get my BASH fix whenever I please (and no more).

    2. Re:Plust best of all by syousef · · Score: 5, Funny

      You can double the cost of your $700 PC.

      Downloads on the pirate bay cost $700? *smirk*

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  3. windows server is pimp by mrterrysilver · · Score: 5, Informative

    this is true, windows 2008 is awesome. i converted to it from vista and i never get the spinning circle anymore. its just snappier.

    one thing to note, its kind of a bitch to get drivers working. vista drivers work fine but you'll have to open those driver installers with an archive utility, pull out the .inf driver files and manually install through device manager. although if you're installing windows server you probably can do that stuff no sweat. i highly recommend windows 2008

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  4. come on this is not remotely affordable for most by atarione · · Score: 5, Insightful

    how much more is Win2k8 than vista... I mean unless of course you are ARRRGH! pirates...for god sakes Win2k8 is going to be cost prohibitive as a desktop os for the vast majority of people.

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  5. Incorrect use of the term 'Workstation' by jaxtherat · · Score: 5, Informative

    OEM Vista Home Basic $105
    OEM Vista Home Premium $136
    OEM Vista Business $166
    OEM Vista Ultimate $229
    OEM Vista Workstation (AKA 2008 server) $1090

    Wow, that's quite a markup for a workstation OS!

    (All prices in AU$)

    Why not run a decent 'Workstation' OS like Solaris or Linux? If you want a 'home PC', Vista is fine, but Windows is not a 'Workstation' OS, and it never was.

    Meh.

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    1. Re:Incorrect use of the term 'Workstation' by drspliff · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm currently developing Windows apps without actually having to "use" windows to get my work done. Yup the beauty of cross compiling with MinGW and testing on the Windows XP machine I have hidden in the corner.

      I think I've actually gotten better at writing code, because I have to read/check more and make sure that I think it works before testing.

  6. You can try it for free by PercentSevenC · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's a free download on Microsoft's website, good for a 60-day trial, extendable to 240 days. I'm a diehard Linux user, but I actually was pleasantly surprised when I tried it (not enough to keep it around, but it's probably my favorite Windows). Relatively snappy, PowerShell is built in, and no DRM crap. It's what should've been released as Windows Vista, IMO.

    1. Re:You can try it for free by the+JoshMeister · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'll provide links since you didn't. =)

      Download Windows Web Server 2008 trial (or if you prefer, you can get a trial of a different version of Windows Server)

      Buy Windows Web Server 2008 - apparently U.S. $140.91 ($157.76 after shipping according to shopzilla.com) from pcRUSH.com (I'd never heard of this company, but here's their Shopzilla customer rating page); this is the best price I could find, but it seems rather low so I'm somewhat skeptical.

      Buy Windows Web Server 2008 - U.S. $362.49 with free shipping on Amazon.com; this is the second best price I could find, and looks a bit less fishy considering the price is closer to retail and the seller (Amazon) is well-known.

      Feel free to search for better prices. I tried shopzilla.com and pricegrabber.com and the prices above were the best that came up.

      In case you're wondering, the reason why I singled out Windows Web Server (as opposed to another edition of Windows Server) is that if you're not going to actually use the OS for the server features, it doesn't make sense to buy a more expensive edition. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

  7. Re:come on this is not remotely affordable for mos by Xibby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The author of the article mentioned he was setting a a Visual Studio development environment, which probably means he is a MSDN subscriber, which gives him rights to pretty much all of Microsoft's software for development purposes. So to someone who has the full MSDN subscription, or even just the OS portion, this is a no additional cost option: they have already paid for it.

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  8. I've done this. I switched back to Vista. by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 5, Informative

    I got Windows Server 2008 free at the LA launch, so I figured I'd give it a go. I installed it and quickly changed everything to function as a desktop. Then I switched back. Here's why:

    • Many applications have real dumb incompatibilities. Usually it's just because they check the version, assume Server has everything that Vista has, and attempt to load some DLLs that don't exist on the Server version. This is fixable most of the time.
    • Some applications have installer issues. Their Windows Live stuff will refuse to install on a Server OS. Unreal Tournament 3 seems to be hardcoded to only install on Vista and below - it should be a laugh when Windows 7 comes out and nobody can install the game on it. The workaround is to dump the DVD to your hard drive, remove the check in the .msi, and install from there.
    • The sound system is screwy. Priorities are setup for different workloads, resulting in pops and hisses when you play music. This is fixable, but took me a while to figure out how and I still never seemed to get it perfect.
    • The bluetooth stack is absent. It's not an optional component in the installer, it's just not there. So you don't have the nice integrated solution anymore, and have to install crappy vendor-specific stacks that don't seem to work for everything.

    The experience is definitely not a simple "setup windows, modify windows, use as normal" one. Most of the random things that screw up are fixable, but just too much of a pain in the ass and ultimately a waste of time.

    Server *can* run faster than Vista, but only because various artificial limits are raised or removed. Most developers work around these limits and most are very good at it, so I doubt any non-developers would ever notice any performance difference. If you're looking to speed up Vista, find one of the various sites that list descriptions of services and which are safe to turn off. Most of the "bloat" of Vista can be turned off through that.

  9. I tried this...Antivirus Issues by Stonent1 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Many off the shelf antivirus programs will not install on any of the Server series of OSes. They flat out refuse because they want you to buy their more expensive server version...

  10. Re:The new Windows 2000? by jonnythan · · Score: 5, Informative

    Windows 2000 wasn't the "server" OS.

    Windows 2000 was the business OS. It came in Professional desktop versions and various Server versions.

  11. How to download freely in Server 2008 by clarkn0va · · Score: 5, Informative

    1. Visit www.getfirefox.com

    2. Download FF3

    3. Install FF3

    4. Click a dozen or so security warnings in the process.

    5. Never look back.

    db

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    1. Re:How to download freely in Server 2008 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      1. Visit www.getfirefox.com

      2. Download FF3

      3. Install FF3

      4. Click a dozen or so security warnings in the process.

      5. Never look back.

      6. Profit!

  12. Re:Why not... by RLiegh · · Score: 5, Informative

    XP 64 is better than win2k in many ways. (not to be confused with standard XP). it's more like server 2003.

    That's because, for all intents and purposes, it is server 2003.

    Windows XP Professional x64 Edition uses version 5.2.3790.1830 of core files, the same version used by Windows XP 64-bit Edition 2003 and Windows Server 2003 SP1 as they were the latest versions during the operating system's development.

    Wikipedia

  13. Vista SP1 == Server 2008 by benwaggoner · · Score: 5, Informative

    Of course, Win 98 and Win 2K were radically different kernels.

    Vista SP1 and Windows Server 2008 are the *SAME* kernel

    As was said upthread, if want you want is a workstation that doesn't use all the Vista services, it's easier and cheaper to just turn off the services you don't want :).

  14. Re:I've done this. I switched back to Vista. by EvanED · · Score: 5, Informative

    The sound system is screwy. Priorities are setup for different workloads, resulting in pops and hisses when you play music. This is fixable, but took me a while to figure out how and I still never seemed to get it perfect.

    I'm running Server 2008 as my main box, and I haven't seen this problem.

    I did see the first one though (the incompatibilities) with both AVG and Avast! anti-virus; both seem to assume that since I'm installing it on the server OS it's not being used on a home, non-commercial desktop and tell you to buy the full version.

  15. Re:I've done this. I switched back to Vista. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    So what you are saying is that the natural Windows updrade path is Vista -> Windows 2008 Server -> XP?