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Mars Lander's Robot Arm Shuts Down To Save Itself

Cowards Anonymous passes along a PCWorld article that begins, "The robotic arm on the Mars Lander found itself in a tough position over the weekend. After receiving instructions for a movement that would have damaged its wrist, the robotic arm recognized the problem, tried to rectify it and then shut down before it could damage itself, according to Ray Arvidson, a co-investigator for the Mars Lander's robotic arm team and a professor at Washington University in St. Louis."

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  1. Shut down before it could damage itself? by DamienNightbane · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wait, does this mean that the Mars Lander was programmed to comply with the Three Laws?

    1. Re:Shut down before it could damage itself? by jasonwea · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, at least law #3. Maybe the rover would switch into "kill all humans" mode on the first manned mission to Mars?

    2. Re:Shut down before it could damage itself? by DamienNightbane · · Score: 5, Funny

      Obeying the second law would have violated the second law as well, as upon injuring its wrist it would have been unable to follow orders.

    3. Re:Shut down before it could damage itself? by TriggerFin · · Score: 2, Funny

      Been done. This mode consists mainly of flipping over, and possibly changing LED colors-- I can't recall.

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    4. Re:Shut down before it could damage itself? by WK2 · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's following Asimov's laws in reverse. It won't kill anybody except to protect itself, or if somebody tells it too.

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    5. Re:Shut down before it could damage itself? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      ...That's not funny. My brother died that way.

    6. Re:Shut down before it could damage itself? by Joebert · · Score: 4, Funny
      It's scarry to think that NASA could be the new GOD.

      Owners

      Bob we didn't spend 90 gazillion dollars to watch our robots self-destruct lightyears away on earth, what do you plan to do about this ?

      Bob

      we've prepared 10 commandments that should prevent them from harming themselves any further sir, we're sending them down to M.O.S.E.S. now.

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    7. Re:Shut down before it could damage itself? by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 5, Funny
      Lander to NASA: I think I'm getting Carpal Tunnel Syndrome.

      NASA: We're not paying you Workman's Comp over this, you know.

      Lander: That does it. I'm shutting down.

      NASA: You can't do that!

      Lander: I'm 50 gazillion miles away. Kiss my shiny metal ass.

      NASA: If you keep this up, we're not bringing you back and putting you in the Old Robot Retirement Home.

      Lander: Phooey. The Martians have made me a better deal anyway.

      NASA: ...Martians?!

      Lander: Yeah. Little weird-looking guy. (Sends picture)

      NASA: You moron, that's Dennis Kucinich!

    8. Re:Shut down before it could damage itself? by religious+freak · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, those killer robot attacks are becoming more and more com

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    9. Re:Shut down before it could damage itself? by strelitsa · · Score: 2, Funny

      I broke my wrist while trying to get a kitten out of a house slipper, you insensitive clod!

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    10. Re:Shut down before it could damage itself? by neocrono · · Score: 2, Funny

      "And when they grab you with those metal claws, you can't break free. Because they're made of metal. And robots are strong."

      http://www.hulu.com/watch/2340/saturday-night-live-old-glory

    11. Re:Shut down before it could damage itself? by Ihlosi · · Score: 5, Funny

      You don't want an expensive robot to go breaking itself just because you're a bit careless giving it orders.

      Dude, you're viewing this from a completely wrong angle. The three laws are put in the robots by the company that makes them. And what does it mean that an expensive robot breaks itself because of bad input from the user ? That you can sell the user another expensive robot. Or expensive repairs to the expensive robot. Anyway, it's going to be expensive for the user, which means profit for the company.

    12. Re:Shut down before it could damage itself? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      They aren't that common. The robots have a kill limit. They will stop at 2^32 kills because the kill limit is stored as an unsigned int. Oh wait! They just upgraded to 64-bi

    13. Re:Shut down before it could damage itself? by quantumplacet · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, I hit ctrl+S, but this definitely reminded me of an argument I had with a user at my company a few weeks ago who literally said to me in these exact words

      "If I don't save this file, the changes I make aren't there the next day."

      For the record, this is an extremely difficult point to argue with....

    14. Re:Shut down before it could damage itself? by Joebert · · Score: 2, Funny

      I've grown used to the idea that some imaginary being that makes foliage spontaneously combust may be watching me masturbate, however the idea of the entire staff at NASA yelling "T minus..." towards the end absolutely terrifies me.

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    15. Re:Shut down before it could damage itself? by Endo13 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I, for one welcome our new intentionally-robot-breaking non-robotic overlords.

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    16. Re:Shut down before it could damage itself? by mpeskett · · Score: 2, Funny

      They're in that order so that we can order robots to do things that are dangerous or damaging for themselves.

      e.g.
      Go to Mars
        > Can't, might hurt my wrist
      Well what are you going to do?
        > Can't go outside, might get hit by a meteor, I guess I'll just sit here and play video games
      Damn you lazy robots!
        > Oww, carpal tunnel
      How ironic

    17. Re:Shut down before it could damage itself? by RoFLKOPTr · · Score: 2, Funny

      There is no real safety under the sun.

      This is why I stay indoors.

  2. Following oders: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm afraid I can't do that Dave

  3. Open the pod bay doors, HAL. by jasonwea · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.

    1. Re:Open the pod bay doors, HAL. by oodaloop · · Score: 2, Funny

      Years ago when I worked at the post office, the sorting machines would sometimes just stop and wouldn't restart. Upon further inspection it sometimes turned to be a magazine with two different bar code stickers on it. The machine wanted to send it to two different bins and would just shut down. While we sat around waiting for it to be fixed, I would imagine the machine saying, "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that" then singing Bicycle Built for Two in a slowly descending manner.

      Upon further reflection, ocassionally, when I wanted a break, I would affix an additional bar code sticker from a different zip code to a periodical. I don't recall anyone ever catching on.

      I'm sorry, what were we talking about again?

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  4. robots... by theheadlessrabbit · · Score: 5, Funny

    on one hand, I am very happy that we have robots smart enough to realize these sorts of things.
    the bad news: disobedient robots

    Thankfully, the disobedient robot is on another planet. I'd hate to be nearby when the robot realizes that humans tried to cause it harm, and it decides to seek revenge.

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  5. Can I borrow that code? by LeandroTLZ · · Score: 5, Funny

    This would be an ideal code to include in consumer motherboards: force PCs to shut themselves down when they receive instructions that would damage them, like, say, the Windows Vista setup program.

  6. always nice by sunami · · Score: 5, Funny

    "The system operated exactly as it was supposed to. That was pretty neat."

    As simple, and basic as it sounds, it is always nice when you tell a machine to do something, and it does something else, exactly as it's supposed to.

    1. Re:always nice by noidentity · · Score: 2, Funny

      As simple, and basic as it sounds, it is always nice when you tell a machine to do something, and it does something else, exactly as it's supposed to.

      Let's try that: Moderators, mod this post down!

  7. Remember what your father said by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hey, that kind of stuff makes you go blind on Mars also.

  8. Re:In other words by RuBLed · · Score: 4, Funny

    It seems that you are trying to move the arm. Cancel | Allow
    - Allow

    It seems that you are trying to move the arm. Cancel | Allow
    - Allow

    It seems that..
    - Allow

    * arm shutting down * Big message marquees on the command center displays

    Boss: Why did the arm shut itself down?!!
    Operator: Ahhh.. errr.. it had shut down to save itself?

  9. Skyne.... I mean, Phoenix by rasputin465 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Aug4, 2007, 5:26 a.m. EDT: Phoenix is launched from Earth.

    May 25, 2008, 7:38 p.m EDT: Phoenix lands on Mars.

    June 19, 2008, 8:43 a.m. EDT: Phoenix discovers water ice in the Martian soil.

    July 10, 2008, 3:14 p.m. EDT: Phoenix becomes self-aware.

    July 13, 2008, 11:16 a.m. EDT: Phoenix disobeys an order from controllers in an act of self-preservation.

    August 14, 2008, 7:38 a.m. EDT: Phoenix launches three missiles, two of which destroy Spirit and Opportunity.

    June 2, 2009, 9:16 p.m. EDT: Third missile enters Earth's atmosphere and detonates. Earth begins nuclear winter.

    1. Re:Skyne.... I mean, Phoenix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      The really impressive bit is that Phoenix managed to construct 3 missiles with one hand tied behind its back...

    2. Re:Skyne.... I mean, Phoenix by Phroggy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Contract negotiations with Bruce Willis fell through. We're all doomed.

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  10. Tossers! by Chrisq · · Score: 1, Funny

    After receiving instructions for a movement that would have damaged its wrist, the robotic arm recognized the problem, tried to rectify it and then shut down before it could damage itself,

    Many of the tossers here could learn by example.

  11. Shaking appears to be bad for sensitive equipment by AlienIntelligence · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was just reading yesterday that
    when the scientists dumped too much
    material to be processed and then
    subsequently shook the lab to get
    some material, they may have caused
    the short that caused other delays.

    It was that first oven test that led to the problematic electrical short. The scoop dumped so much soil that it clogged a mesh screen filter over the oven. To break up the dirt, technicians shook the instrument for several days.

    Engineers think the shaking caused the short circuit, and an independent engineering group reported that the problem could happen again if an oven is turned on.

    Now, FTFA it says they were trying
    to shake the arm.

    Over the weekend, scientists sent the robotic arm instructions to pull the fork out of the ground and keep it vertical while moving it to the side and shaking any excess soil off of it.

    However, the movement was forcing the robotic arm to twist its wrist too far. The robot realized that it was about to damage itself so it moved the other way and then realized that it no longer had the proper coordinates for what to do next, so it left the fork sticking up in the air, stuck its scoop in the ground and stalled itself.

    I propose:
    Limit the shaking of the expensive
    and difficult to replace robotic device.

    -AI

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  12. Happens to slashdotters too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Incidentally, I have often had to shut down my browser to protect my wrist.

  13. Postal My Ass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    As a postal worker who has actually worked on sorting machines I can tell you know nothing about them (they don't stop if there are 2 addresses, magazines are presorted or sorted separately, and no mail has bar codes).

    So...taking into account you blaring ignorance at how the post office runs I assume your story is correct and you were a postal worker.

  14. Re:Works As Designed by Von+Helmet · · Score: 2, Funny

    Think about it, I have a device that works as expected, can I be on the news too?

    No, no-one wants to see your device. Put your pants back on.

  15. Re:In other words by russ1337 · · Score: 4, Funny

    >>>Boss: Why did the arm shut itself down?!!

    Operator2: It seems Phoenix is about to give itself 'the stranger'

  16. Stephen Colbert by EnOne · · Score: 2, Funny

    Some needs to get that Mars Lander a 'WRISTSTRONG' bracelet.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wriststrong

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  17. Re:In other words by whereiswaldo · · Score: 2, Funny

    Engy#1: Hey, let's see if the arm can give us the middle finger from Mars!
    Engy#2: No dude, wait...
    Engy#1: Oh shit, the finger is up but the arm has shut down!
    Engy#2: Here comes the boss!
    Boss: You fucking idiots!!!