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Apple Suit Demands That Psystar Recall OpenMacs

Da'Man writes "The Psystar saga takes another series of turns. Not only is the website down but an examination of the suit filed by Apple shows that the Cupertino Goliath wants Psystar to recall all Open Computer and OpenServ systems sold by the company since April. It seems that Steve Jobs is out to totally sink Psystar and put an end to Mac clones."

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  1. EULA w/ full force of law by transporter_ii · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Notice that Apple filed approx a day after the WoW copyright decision. If there was some doubt on Psystar beating Apple on the validity of of the EULA...it is pretty safe to say that Psystar is about to get slapped down.

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    1. Re:EULA w/ full force of law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      IAALS (I am a Law Student). Having worked with litigators, I can gurantee that yesterday's ruling (which actually sets almost no precedent because it relied on existing copyright doctrines despite what Slashdotters thought) had exactly 0 to do with the filing date.
            I know this because:
                1. If there had been any real precedent set, the litigators would have taken at least several weeks to analyze the decision, make an educated guess as to whether the decision will survive appeals, recraft the complaint, and make sure all of this was OK with the client (Apple) before proceeding. Litigation takes time.

                2. The actual filing date of the lawsuit was July 3rd, and the Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Field is strong, but it does not enable time travel.

  2. Re:IBM PC by PlatyPaul · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Showing a remarkably high trading value?

    Yes, IBM "got out of the game". No, it was not necessarily bad for them.

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  3. Apple demands? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ok, how about the thousands of us who demand a headless, non-pro, non-laptop computer, with actual desktop/decent parts in it?

    Mac mini: piss-poor GPU and low-capacity/slow LAPTOP 2.5" drive in a DESKTOP computer?

    iMac: fuckin' all-in-one computer with stupid glossy screens and low quality LCDs with not even average GPU choices.

    Mac Pro: are you fucking insane? I don't need that much power (and even the GPU options for that one are ridiculous).

    Make the Mac mini taller/bigger, put a 3.5" drive and a half-decent GPU in it (the ability to run Starcraft II and Diablo III at medium settings) and it WILL sell. A lot. You have no fuckin' idea how much people loathe all-in-one computers.

    1. Re:Apple demands? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ok, how about the thousands of us who demand a headless, non-pro, non-laptop computer, with actual desktop/decent parts in it?

      Unfortunately the same thousands who make this demand also want this computer to be very customizable and to cost under $500 because that's what Dell is selling. There's not much profitability in this market. I suspect this is the main reason Apple hasn't gotten into the market. They're not going to compete with Dell, Lenovo, and countless others in this cutthroat pricing. Apple isn't in business to make computers that are unprofitable.

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  4. Re:Apple particularly doesn't like things like thi by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Has the price changed that much? Last I looked, Apple was actually competitive (within $100, sometimes cheaper) with commodity hardware. The only difference is, you can't get a Mac without the bells and whistles.

    In other words, you get exactly what you pay for, which includes $1k of hardware you don't actually need.

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  5. Re:IBM PC by Bert64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    IBM only produced the hardware, Microsoft produced the software and look where they are now...
    Apple produce both, by your reckoning Apple would be selling about the same level of hardware that they are now, but selling millions of units of software.

    Also when you talk of retaining control, look at the absolutely farcical situation with AmigaOS 4. They are trying so hard to retain control that they've pushed away any customers they might have ever had.

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  6. Yup, they're taking the money & running... by BUL2294 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Looks like I was right in my comments from yesterday--but I never figured they would fall apart so quickly! Build a product that might infringe but would definitely piss someone off, make & deliver a bunch of orders, pay bonuses, declare bankruptcy (how long until Psystar does this???), and disappear... Take the money & run. The funny thing is that if they fulfilled their orders, they might be in the clear from criminal prosecution and their customers are the ones that got exactly what they paid for (sans warranty once they file for bankruptcy)... Excluding the execs, who might be sitting on a beach somewhere, everybody loses--including Apple.

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  7. Re:IBM PC by omeomi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Since Apple's entire legal argument hinges on the fact that their EULA states that OSX can only be installed on Apple-branded hardware, it will be interesting to see if the courts uphold such restrictions in EULA's, or the existence of EULA's at all. Psystar makes an interesting argument that Honda can't make you sign a EULA telling you that you can only drive on Honda-approved roads, so why should Apple be able to control what systems OSX is installed on? Is there any precedent here? Has the legality of EULA's ever been put to the test in court?

  8. Apple is... by Drasil · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I suspect Apple is every bit as evil as Microsoft, just less successful.

    1. Re:Apple is... by faedle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Success" can be relative.

      If I was an investor right now, I'd argue AAPL is more successful than MSFT.

      MSFT has a gazillion bucks, but the ROI for their stockholders has suffered recently. Whereas AAPL under Jobs just keeps making stockholders money. Good money. If you bought AAPL and MSFT one year ago, you would have made 24% on AAPL, and lost 10% of MSFT.

    2. Re:Apple is... by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I suspect Apple is every bit as evil as Microsoft, just less successful.

      Suspect? Imagine a world where Apple won the PC wars rather than Microsoft. Imagine what we'd be paying for computers with only a single supplier.

      Of course, if Apple *had* won, they probably would've been broken up long ago as a monopoly, but it would've set the computer industry back at least a decade.

      Say what you want about Microsoft, but at least they never leveraged their OS dominance by producing a "Microsoft PC" and then "phasing out" all the other hardware manufacturers. If Steve Jobs, through some twist of fate, had been in charge of Microsoft rather than Apple when he returned, that's exactly what would've happened.

      And let's not even get into the fact that Apple competes via lawsuit orders of magnitude more often than Microsoft.

      Apple is *far and away* more evil than Microsoft ever dreamed of being. They're fortunately just not the dominant player.

      [And no, I'm not defending whatever evil Microsoft has done, only that they are not nearly as evil as they could've been.]

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  9. Re:IBM PC by fictionpuss · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'll try not to pull a troll moment here either, but I don't find anything particularly innovative about either the iPhone or iPod apart from the concept of marketing high-tech to a non-geek demographic. To a massive extent that concept alone determines the direction which the technology has to follow.

  10. How is that going to work? by caseih · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If I bought something, it's now mine (the hardware anyway). I doubt Pystar can actually repossess any of the boxes. The entire demand by Apple is pretty silly. Apple's copyright claims can't possibly cover the possession of physical hardware. Very bizarre. I think Apple only has a claim against Psystar itself over copyright infringement (the distribution of hacked Apple patches). Personal use of OS X in breach of Apple's license would have to be an issue that Apple would have to deal with on a per user basis, which I doubt they are willing to do.

  11. Re:IBM PC by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think that in legal terms it's the fact that the software is pre-installed. If they just sold the hardware and it happened to be OSX compatible then there's absolutely nothing Apple could do (presuming they've not infringed any patents in the process). They're effectively reselling the OS and using it to advertise another product (the hardware). To stick with the car analogy, it'd be like selling a tiny little car with a Bugatti Veyron engine and advertising it on that basis. Bugatti would (probably quite rightly) complain that the cooling systems etc simply weren't designed to work with a small car, and the engine would probably break down, damaging their reputation in the process.

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  12. Re:IBM PC by nine-times · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The only thing is, it's not really the same thing since Psystar isn't an End User. So Honda might not be able to able to make you sign an agreement saying you'll only drive on Honda approved roads (but I don't know, maybe they can?), but Honda could probably make their dealerships sign an agreement saying they won't engage in certain business practices. The analogy isn't perfect, but analogies rarely are.

    Because the thing is that Psystar is installing altering the software, copying it, and then distributing the copies. Hence, this isn't an issue of EULAs, but blatant copyright infringement unless they have a license. If the EULA specifically allowed this, they could try to use the EULA to protect themselves, but the EULA makes no provisions that allow them to do this.

    Of course, IANAL, so I could be wrong.

  13. Re:IBM PC by mc900ftjesus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Instead of a WinMo device going into portrait mode by hitting a button or opening a slide-out keyboard, it has a tilt sensor, the Wiimote had one before the iPhone. Instead of a single touch, you can use 2 fingers, like in that Tom Cruise movie with seeing the future. Say it how it is, using terms like "multitouch" glorifies a rather arbitrary concept.

    Innovation is 90% efficiency solar panels or 100 MPG cars or even the company that invented the hardware that makes multitouch work, something that doesn't exist, not utilizing things that are already available.

    What Apple does is polish concepts, just like Blizzard. Blizzard didn't invent the RTS or MMO but they polished them into something really good (actually I hate WoW, but it is what it is).

  14. Re:IBM PC by fictionpuss · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Call it what you like, but handheld multitouch is fairly novel, and the automatic screen-turning isn't too shabby either.

    IIRC these ideas and more where being thrown around on the OpenMoko mailing list before the iPhone was announced.

    While I'm not going to dispute Apples success in putting everything together, I find it hard to credit them with technological innovation when these ideas were being casually thrown around by a bunch of random geeks on a mailing list.

    By restricting the realm of what is an Apple device, this can be seen as an attempt to guarantee consistent quality.

    Precisely. Which is why I say their marketing concepts are more innovative than their tech.

  15. Re:IBM PC by Sandbags · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually, the licence is binding, since the product can be returned, for full refund without penalty, as long as the software seal inside the package remains intact. Since the Licence agreement can be read withough installing or operning the software, there is a clear path for the user to take to refuse its terms.

    Further, many products have not only use restrictions from the manufacturer, but under penalty of federal law, the use of certain devices in certain circumstances can be prevented. The FCC has a large part in that with anything that could potentially cause interference. The DMV has a lot to do with how a car can be used, loaded with cargo, and more.

    In a more direct comparison, it have been held up in court that a software vendor can sue successfully for the use of non-commercial, or student only software in commercial spaces. Also, the resale of licenses for system-specific use, like anti virus and other subscription based packages, has also been protected.

    In this case, the use of Apple's software on non-apple branded equipment would mean that the DRM functionality of that software (The requirements of an EFI firmware as well as a special ROM circuit) had been defeated, and thus is a violation of the DMCA as well as the software licence agreement.

    Since the purchaser has 1) been ninformed of the licence, 2) been given an opportunity to refuse it without penalty, and 3) agree to the terms by performing a physical action (breaking the seal or clicking accept), then at that point it is no longer a licence, but a contract between parties. Licences can also be revolked, at will, by the issuer, with or without reason or provocation, and the continued use would thus be unlicenced and illegal. Apple has simply unlicenced every Psystar system.

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  16. Re:IBM PC by Kadin2048 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Innovation is 90% efficiency solar panels or 100 MPG cars or even the company that invented the hardware that makes multitouch work...

    I think that's a very limited definition of "innovation."

    A better definition might be "solving a problem through the novel application of technology". The technology might be completely new, or it might be existing technology used in a new way. Either one can be innovative.

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  17. Re:If The Shoe Were on the Other Foot... by jpmorgan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Umm, no. Microsoft would have every right to go after vendors who were including unlicensed, modified versions of Windows in their systems. How is this any different?

    Psystar buys a license of OS X for each machine they sell? Apple may claim that the copies aren't licensed since they violate the EULA, but US copyright law doesn't limits copyright holders rights to prevent installation of software. Furthermore, the doctrine of first sale gives Psystar the right to resell OS X.

  18. Re:IBM PC by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Call it what you like, but handheld multitouch is fairly novel, and the automatic screen-turning isn't too shabby either.

    There's really no competition if one is comparing Apple to IBM in terms of innovation. In one corner, you have a neat interface based on multi-touch (they didn't invent the multi touch sensor itself). In the other corner you have the hard disk.

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