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Physicists Extend Moore's Law For Tiny Devices

schliz writes to mention that a team of quantum physicists have demonstrated how to significantly reduce the effects of "stiction," or the tendency for two very small, very close objects to stick together as a result of Casimir force. "'The Casimir force might be one of the many reasons that very small, movable components in micromechanical devices sometimes stick together,' said Ho Bun Chan, a assistant professor of physics at the University of Florida who is researching the Casimir force. 'The Casimir effect increases rapidly as the separation between components decreases. It becomes significant when the separation is reduced to below about 400 nm,' he told iTnews."

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  1. Let's here it for Zero Point Energy by clonan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Now if only we could use it as a power source....I would LOVE a ZPM ala Stargate!

    1. Re:Let's here it for Zero Point Energy by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Zero Point Energy will never yield any significant amounts of energy. It's merely an artifact of the way the Universe is constructed, and not a large source of power or fuel. Stargate attempts to remain (somewhat) scientifically accurate by positing that a micro-universe is contained inside each of the ZPM devices, and that the device attempts to extract all energy from that universe via Zero Point Energy extraction. Thus the ZPMs are capable of "running out" of power once all the energy from the micro-universe is exhausted.

      Technically, such an idea suggests that the ZPMs should deliver a constant stream of power at all times. Yet in practice, the ZPMs shown in the program appear to behave more like batteries; often providing more or less power depending upon the city's current requirements. However, this appears to be a literary device as it creates a variety of consistency problems within the program. (e.g. If energy can be extracted at such a rate as to exhaust the unit within a few minutes, why can't the city fly on only one ZPM?)

    2. Re:Let's here it for Zero Point Energy by Schadrach · · Score: 1

      It could always be that the device pulls zero point energy from the pocket universe inside, and then stores it in some kind of capacitor or battery, thus leading to a constant stream of energy being maintainable for a semi-arbitrary amount of time, but unusually high draws being only available in the short term. In which case the city *could* fly on a single ZPM, but only until the additional stored charge had been exhausted (which might be a frighteningly short time, and nonsustainable flight is usually *bad*).

    3. Re:Let's here it for Zero Point Energy by Two9A · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's the difference between voltage and current. The Atlantis stardrive requires at least 10GV to fire, and the output of any given ZPM is rated at a more-or-less-constant 5GV, with DC/DC stepdowns feeding power through the city.

      (Or maybe I'm talking utter shit, it's up to you.)

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    4. Re:Let's here it for Zero Point Energy by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      You're talking shit. They don't have step-up transformers in the Pegasus galaxy? ;-)

    5. Re:Let's here it for Zero Point Energy by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      I could buy that if it weren't for the fact that Rodney completely depleted a ZPM in only a few minutes of operation. (See: McKay and Mrs. Miller) If the ZPM used capacitors to store a "boost" charge, then he would have been unable to completely deplete the ZPM. Either that, or the ZPM was nearly depleted anyway which means that it was about to become a paperweight anyway.

    6. Re:Let's here it for Zero Point Energy by hr+raattgift · · Score: 5, Funny

      ZPM power production[*] is rated in the non-SI unit "Plot" (analogous to J/s, the second derivative of energy[**], and the first derivative of work[***]).

      A ZPM's normal production appears to be approximately 0.1 Plot per episode in which it is portrayed, although in some episodes a ZPM shows how powerful a device it can be, delivering just shy of a full Plot.

      The third derivative of energy, "Twist", analogous to J/s^2, can be used to analyse the output of the ZPM over the duration of an episode. In some cases the ZPM provides a substantial Twist, progressing from normal power production to zero or to explosive overload within the span of an Act.

      A high-Twist, high-Plot device is consistent with the ZPM as portrayed in Stargate SG-1.

      I never got into Stargate Atlantis, sorry.

      [*] or production power, which may be more appropriate.
      [**] Writer's energy, that is.
      [***] Professionally employed TV writer, that is.

    7. Re:Let's here it for Zero Point Energy by nickbug · · Score: 0, Redundant

      ROLF!!

    8. Re:Let's here it for Zero Point Energy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *Golf clap*

  2. that explains a lot by v1 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I always wondered why stuff always sticks to one of my sweaters..

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    1. Re:that explains a lot by john83 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I always wondered why stuff always sticks to one of my sweaters..

      If it's the Casimir effect, you should probably get a bigger sweater.

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    2. Re:that explains a lot by zulater · · Score: 1

      My sweater was destroyed when I walked away.

    3. Re:that explains a lot by pitchpipe · · Score: 5, Funny

      If it's the Casimir effect, you should probably get a bigger sweater.

      I think he was talking about the "cashmere" effect.

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    4. Re:that explains a lot by Gewalt · · Score: 1

      I watched you unravel, and soon you were naked, lying on the floor.

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    5. Re:that explains a lot by SQLGuru · · Score: 1

      That was because she pulled "this thread". I guess now you're lying on the floor.....undone.

      Layne

    6. Re:that explains a lot by An+ominous+Cow+art · · Score: 2, Funny

      So he should also stop listening to Led Zeppelin.

    7. Re:that explains a lot by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 1

      Oh, that thing that Sheldon Cooper can suck on?

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    8. Re:that explains a lot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      If it's the Casimir effect, you should probably get a bigger sweater.

      I think he was talking about the "cashmere" effect.

      Casimir is cashmere in spanish

    9. Re:that explains a lot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      when did slashdot turn into the bash.org tryouts?

    10. Re:that explains a lot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The casimir effect doesn't depend on the size of the objects involved, actually... just on how close they are.

  3. Didn't we already do this? by Blice · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We've already reduced and even reversed casmier effects, haven't we..?

    Or is this different somehow?

    1. Re:Didn't we already do this? by Badge+17 · · Score: 5, Informative

      The earlier work was completely theoretical - the paper in question here is an experimental result.

      Why do we care? A lot of reasons - the casimir effect is deeply rooted in quantum physics, but is observable without having to cool things to quantum temperatures. This sort of research is also potentially very important in nanotechnology - if we want our nanosurfaces to not stick, we should make them corrugated - the opposite of the macroworld!

      Many times, people have calculated these casimir forces by assuming that the quantum force between two plates by just adding up the forces between particles (pairwise additivity). This is the first (I believe) research that shows this failing experimentally - there are large-scale geometrical effects. This is exciting, as it means that there may be many ways to tune casimir forces, making them do whatever we want - theoretical predictions on piston-like geometries have forces that are attractive at one distance, and repulsive at another!

      If anyone's interested, the actual paper is at http://arxiv.org/abs/0805.3776 and better summaries (Moore's law wtf?) are at http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11402849 and http://www.azonano.com/news.asp?newsID=6827

    2. Re:Didn't we already do this? by peragrin · · Score: 1

      if we can tune devices to make use of the casmir effect does that make us one step closer to building actual nano machines?

      or could such effect be controlled to make even smaller CPU's?

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    3. Re:Didn't we already do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      forces that are attractive at one distance, and repulsive at another!

      Like a middle aged woman?

    4. Re:Didn't we already do this? by beckerist · · Score: 1

      I'd think bigger...combine the effects of 10^XXX nano-engines painted on the bottom of a giant aluminum hollow frisbee! Earth where?

  4. More Info by Thyamine · · Score: 2, Informative

    For those of us who had to look it up again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect

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    1. Re:More Info by Red+Flayer · · Score: 5, Funny

      And for those of us who couldn't remember which online enclycopedia is a good, free place to look up terms we aren't sure of: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia.

      Just in case.

      You know, just in case somoene forgot.

      Forgot about wikipedia, I mean.

      Because, apparently, looking something up on wikipedia is esoteric enough that a post with a link to wikipedia (and nothin else!) is informative. :)

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    2. Re:More Info by Badge+17 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Okay, that's not a terrible summary, but for more details about this experiment and its importance, you can look at http://physics.aps.org/articles/v1/4 which also cites the actual article.

    3. Re:More Info by Firehed · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There's definitely some irony in how you were modded up for giving us the link to help us do something so esoteric as looking up what Wikipedia is. /obvious

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    4. Re:More Info by metamechanical · · Score: 1

      yeah, but then I have to reach for my keyboard to type it in, which is hard to do while one hand is on the mouse and the other is... uh... er... busy.

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    5. Re:More Info by Thyamine · · Score: 1

      I found that funny as well. I also enjoyed how annoyed someone could get by just posting a link as opposed to making people look it up themselves.

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  5. Casimir Effect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I've read the article, read the Wikipedia entry, and I still haven't a good handle on what causes the Casimir Effect. Would anyone care to elaborate a little bit for those of us in the audience whose physics background is of a more Newtonian bent? Is this a manifestation of zero-point energy? Is it energy we can extract in any useful way? Is this just a trick of electrostatic forces, or something else entirely? Thanks!

    1. Re:Casimir Effect? by Amouth · · Score: 1

      i'm not sure but it isn't a trick of electorstatic forces as it manifests between to non charged (non energetic) plates in a vacume with no pressend electro magnetic field pressend around or between the plates.

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    2. Re:Casimir Effect? by Blice · · Score: 5, Informative
      I don't know if it's proper /. manners to copy someone else's post, but these are the words of Roger W Moore ...

      The Casimir effect is very wierd indeed. If you take two metal plates and put them close together in a vacuum they will attract one another VERY weakly. The effect is caused by fluctuations in the electric charge of the vacuum. Think of it a little like sea level. On average if you measure sea level lots of times you wil get "0" for the height but if you measure it just once the height you get will depend on the tide and the size of any waves. The same is true for a vacuum. Look at a particular volume of space and measure the electric charge. On average you will get zero but for a particular moment in time it may be non-zero.

      Ok so far but how do we get an attractive force? Well it turns out that charge must be conserved so if one region of space has a small positive charge at one instant a neighbouring area must have a small negative charge (in quantum terms we say that we pair produce and virtual electron-positron pair) thuse we have a dipole. Now remember the two conductors? Well the one nearest the positive charge will have the electrons in the conductor attracted to it and being a conductor they will move towards it giving the conductor a net negative charge. The opposite will happen in the conductor nearest the negative charged area of space.

      So now we have, instantaneously, a conductor with a negative charge and one with a positive charge...so they attract one another. this is the Casimir effect. If you stop to think about it is is VERY strange because it means that two metal plates in vacuum, with no externally applied fields will attract...so you have to ask yourself what exactly is doing the work i.e. where is the energy coming from to move these plates?

      I'm not a condensed matter guy so I must admit I don't quite understand why this effect is so important to them. I understood that in molecules it was known as Van der Waal forces and due to periodic dipoles occuring in molecules in much the same way it does ina vacuum. Only, because there is a real electric field, the effect is much larger. So if there are any condensed matter people out there perhaps they would like to explain why it is Casimir and not Van der Waals that is important? or is it just because they have the same origin the name Van Der Waals has been dropped?

    3. Re:Casimir Effect? by Taibhsear · · Score: 1

      IANAP but couldn't this type of effect basically explain gravitational attraction? In philosophy of science we talked about "nelectricity" a made up force that no one can detect but people say it is there. A comparison to god and magic, (that it is pointless and more or less against Occum's Razor) but maybe some similar effect that occurs on a larger level, a stronger attraction rather than the Casimir effect's weak attraction. This "nelectricity" in this case is actually observed second hand, gravity, we just haven't found or explained the virtual particle pair that causes it.

    4. Re:Casimir Effect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You only have second hand observations of gravity? Where do you live?

    5. Re:Casimir Effect? by Timothy+Brownawell · · Score: 1

      There are strange quantum effects that mean that nothing can ever really be empty (I think this part is related to the uncertainty principle), but resonant cavities can be more empty than open space (because everything has a wavelength, and resonant cavities are very picky about what wavelengths they allow). So the stuff in the less empty area (outside your MEMS thingy) pushes harder than the smaller amount of stuff in the more empty area (between the parts of your MEMS thingy), and the parts all get stuck together.

    6. Re:Casimir Effect? by BrotherBeal · · Score: 1

      So, if the Casimir effect is a resonant phenomenon, is TFA simply talking about disrupting that resonance by altering the topology of the plates with their nano-corrugations?

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    7. Re:Casimir Effect? by shadowofwind · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Casimir force is the Van der Waals or London's force in bulk, meaning that its the same thing, but studied in relation to conducting surfaces rather than individual molecules. Casimir's original derivation, which is only a couple of pages, makes no reference to quantum vacuum fluctuations, and I think that model and metaphor tends to make the topic seem much more exotic than it really is.

      On a side note, there's no way to get free energy out of the Casimir force without using the formula 'stuff-I-don't-understand = magic'. It would be like thinking you can get a free picture window by expressing the window's area as the product of two negative numbers.

    8. Re:Casimir Effect? by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Can you post a CID link to that? I want to follow it but I can't find it on the userpage you linked to.

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    9. Re:Casimir Effect? by ucblockhead · · Score: 2, Funny

      If only there were a way to create some way of making some sort of text that, when clicked, took you directly to the post.

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    10. Re:Casimir Effect? by Taibhsear · · Score: 1

      You only have second hand observations of gravity? Where do you live?

      On earth, where people can't see gravitational forces. They see objects' motion affected by it.

    11. Re:Casimir Effect? by gunnk · · Score: 1

      So what would be a first hand observation to you? I don't actually "see" my desk. I see the result of light interacting with my desk and then interacting with my eye.

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    12. Re:Casimir Effect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am a condensed matter guy so I do feel qualified to expand on these words.

      The fastest way to get your head around the Casimir effect is to remember two things:

      1. The force is equal to the negative gradient of the energy. i.e., F = - grad E. The example I use to remember this is gravity: E = -GMm/r, F = -GMm/r^2

      2. Vacuum states are waves.

      With two close parallel plates, the waves become quantized in the interior. Hence, there are fewer allowed states between the plates than outside the plates. States have energy, and thus the energy density is lower between the plates.

      As we cross from outside the plates to between the plates, the energy density changes; By the equation above, a force results.

    13. Re:Casimir Effect? by Timothy+Brownawell · · Score: 1

      If the corrugations are a little bit smaller than the separation distance, then *maybe* (intuitively it should work, but intuition doesn't work well at these scales). If they're larger, then it's pretty much just about making the effective surface area smaller. Since the article does mention surface area, I think it's probably the latter.

    14. Re:Casimir Effect? by abirdman · · Score: 1

      Thank you for that, though you almost caused Scotch to blow painfully out of my nose. Have the mods no sense of humor?

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    15. Re:Casimir Effect? by PeterWone · · Score: 1

      Why don't the random variations also intermittently produce adjacent similar charges producing a zero vector over time?

  6. Phew! by Ngarrang · · Score: 3, Funny

    We dodged a real bullet there, I tell ya! I mean, had they not enacted this extension when they did, we would have been stuck. And I mean STUCK with the large devices are forced to use now.

    I think Casmir should be taken out behind the tool shed and whipped for his bad behavior.

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  7. Wikipedia link by dj245 · · Score: 0, Redundant
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    1. Re:Wikipedia link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sweet karma whoring!

  8. effect or force? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Which is it?

    1. Re:effect or force? by Amouth · · Score: 1

      and effect which manifests as a creation of force

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    2. Re:effect or force? by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 1

      complicated.

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    3. Re:effect or force? by SQLGuru · · Score: 1

      I thought those were midichlorians / mitichlorians.....

      Layne

  9. This could probably be useful by paratiritis · · Score: 1

    If you could alter the shape of the molecules that are on the surface of the object (for example using current passing through nanowires under the surface) this could alter the force in different parts of the surface and actually cause the moving parts to move.

    For a meaningful design though, there would have to be a very good model of the strength of the force as the surface shape changes.

    If they can do that then it could well end up being an opportunity, and not a problem for nanotechnology.

  10. Moore's Law has nothing to do with this by putigger · · Score: 5, Informative

    Moore's Law has nothing to do with mechanical components. For that matter, strictly speaking, all Moore's Law was ever about was the number of components in an IC. Not speed, not cost, not even size. And definitely not the size of MEMS!

    1. Re:Moore's Law has nothing to do with this by Firehed · · Score: 1

      It also has nothing to do with being a law either. It's just a guideline as to what we may expect for the development of microprocessors.

      Well, maybe it's a corporate policy^W^W law over at Intel, but as they seem to be keeping on track, we still don't know what to expect for Gordon's Wrath.

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    2. Re:Moore's Law has nothing to do with this by Anti_Climax · · Score: 1

      all Moore's Law was ever about was the number of components in an IC. Not speed, not cost, not even size.

      Moore's "law" was actually a measure of size and cost, not necessarily the number of components.

      The initial write-up had time separated plots of cost against component density. Each was roughly parabolic, and the low point of each, which represented the lowest cost transistor density, roughly doubled over each 18-24 months.

      A my room mate actually has an Intel t-shirt with a picture of that plot on the front.

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    3. Re:Moore's Law has nothing to do with this by gardyloo · · Score: 1

      Roughly parabolic on a log-log scale.

          http://www.intel.com/technology/mooreslaw/pix/originalgraph.gif

    4. Re:Moore's Law has nothing to do with this by Anti_Climax · · Score: 1

      Excellent point, I'll keep that in mind for the next time this rears it's head.

      So few people realize that increasing transistor count without decreasing their size is going to drive up the costs through raw materials while decreasing size alone will drive it up through lower yields and more costly manufacturing processes.

      The apparently exponential increase in clock speed we've seen has been more an after effect allowed by the smaller interconnect distances and lower switching voltages that are required at these ever increasing densities. It's easy to see how most people, who have been marketed their chips based on clock speed, get the impression that this trend was confined to that measure alone.

      I'd be very interested to see some of the other factors examined against cost and density like clock speed, heat output, and operational throughput.

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    5. Re:Moore's Law has nothing to do with this by gardyloo · · Score: 1

      Moore himself (you're probably aware of this, but I'm sure many people are not, and I just learned a lot of this today) couched his observations in terms of cost. He was extremely prescient! A presentation by Moore himself has some plots showing several factors (lithography cost, shrinking sizes, etc.) vs. time. http://download.intel.com/research/silicon/Gordon_Moore_ISSCC_021003.pdf

  11. *reduced* the surface area? by argent · · Score: 1

    The author of the article was either confused or isn't explaining things well, because he writes that corrugations reduce the surface area... when the opposite is true... corrugations increase the surface area rather than reduce it. ANyone know whether that was just a typo or he's referring to something subtle that I'm too thick to understand.

    1. Re:*reduced* the surface area? by embsysdev · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He's probably referring to the contact surface area. By making the surface corrugated, less of the surface comes in close contact to the other surface.

    2. Re:*reduced* the surface area? by Timothy+Brownawell · · Score: 1

      My initial guess would be that it has something to do with literal surface area vs. active surface area, the parts that are hidden (inside the grooves) don't count.

    3. Re:*reduced* the surface area? by Badge+17 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The other two replies are correct, but let me give a little more detail - the casimir force is very short-range, and essentially goes to zero over the distance of a micron. The corrugations in the surface are micron-deep trenches, and so the extra surface area is essentially hidden.

    4. Re:*reduced* the surface area? by argent · · Score: 1

      Ah, and the amount of reduction of force, then, would be effected to the relative orientation of the corrugations.

  12. my car has a casimir-effect engine by peter303 · · Score: 1

    It runs on literally "nothing": the captured energy of vacuum energy. Much cheaper than gasoline.

  13. Stiction = Old News In HDD by loose+electron · · Score: 3, Informative

    The stiction effect has been an issue for many years in the disk drive world. The heads in a HDD are planar against a disk that is also a polished planar surface. The net effect is to require amps of current (briefly) when spinning a disk drive up.

    After coming up to speed, there is an air bearing between the two, as the head float on a cushion of air. This effect has been an issue in the HDD world for over 30 years.

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    1. Re:Stiction = Old News In HDD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, no. That stiction is the lube glooping up when the head park and not having enough power to break away. Tap, tap, tap. Ask IBM and Western Digital about it, their drives were the worst, WD still haven't improved.

    2. Re:Stiction = Old News In HDD by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

      Yes, stiction isn't about the Casimir force.
      Any two very smooth and very planar surfaces will stick together when they come so close that no more air molecules bounce around between them. In vacuum, metals will even weld together at low temperatures. That's a major problem in spaceflight.
      Stiction just means that the force to overcome the static friction (sticking together) is way higher than the normal, dynamic friction.
      I've seen disk heads ripped off by stiction :)

    3. Re:Stiction = Old News In HDD by loose+electron · · Score: 1

      The lubrication issue was in older drives agreed. I am talking drives post 1992 and newer.

      IBM had their collection of problems, as well as Quantum (remember them?) -- I don't have to ask in either case, because I was there so to speak. Quantum would not allow us to properly size the power drive chip and there were lots of failures due to the power driver frying. The thing was designed on the edge of failure to save 5 cents, and the designers inside the place (guilty as charged) kept saying that we needed a better power drive chip.

      Save 5 cents in the design, and the net result were gobs of field failures. The finger pointing after the fact was interesting to say the least. I saw that stuff happen at Quantum, Seagate, WD, Conner, Maxtor, and Toshiba now.

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    4. Re:Stiction = Old News In HDD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Excuse my ignorance here, but are you sure about that? Could Casimir really exert that much force through a tiny drive head? If it did, wouldn't the drive head likely be ripped off when the platter began to spin up? The initial need for extra power when spinning the HDD up sounds like it might actually be inrush current to the electric motor.

  14. So that's how John moved the island by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .....

    1. Re:So that's how John moved the island by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      Exactly! .. kind of. It still doesn't make much sense. I understand the effect perfectly, but Lost was playing a little loose with that one. I was sort of a fool to think it would be more of a science explanation than a fantasy one. My hopes for the show have decreased dramatically.

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    2. Re:So that's how John moved the island by norminator · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Dude, it was Ben that moved it. Locke didn't do anything useful except to sit by and get confused. In fact, now that I think of it, why did Ben even give Locke vague instructions on how to go down and do it? Not only could he not find the right flower, but he never would have known to blow up the back wall of the chamber, put on a coat, grab a crowbar and push the frozen donkey wheel!

      What? Offtopic? What do you mean?

    3. Re:So that's how John moved the island by thrillseeker · · Score: 1

      Because Ben didn't want to have to leave the island.

  15. Previous Art by PPH · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The solution to freeing a stuck mechanical device is well known.

    Hit it.

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  16. Free energy from vaccuum fluctuations... by burtosis · · Score: 1
    IINAP but...

    Since we have negative index materials that can reverse the casmir effect:

    http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/06/1212259

    And we are on our way to modifying the attractive effect, there is nothing in the laws of physics prohibiting us from cycling the plates through an attractive then repulsive process, extracting force over distance (energy) in each cycle.

    We would need something like a material that can have the index changed rapidly and with minimal energy input and sandwich it in a miniature piezo crystal system to convert the mechanical energy to electrical energy which poses many engineering challenges. Though there will be losses in switching the system between attraction and repulsion, it seems probable that an infetesimal but real amount of power could be extracted in this way. Could be an interesting source of power for mems microdevices if it can be done.

    1. Re:Free energy from vaccuum fluctuations... by Fizzl · · Score: 1

      Ah yes, I can picture it. A brand new generation of crackpots trying to extract infinite energy out of magnets, this time tiinyweenysmall :)

  17. Quantum Vacuum Energy Extraction by Jalon · · Score: 1

    Perhaps you ought to take a look at this patent submitted recently: http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?WO=2008039176

  18. sigh... by p3d0 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Law "A statement describing a relationship observed to be invariable between or among phenomena for all cases in which the specified conditions are met: the law of gravity"

    --
    Patrick Doyle
    I mod down every jackass who puts his moderation policy in his sig. Oh, wait a sec....
  19. How many times.... by CaptnCrud · · Score: 0

    have I read this statement in the last 10 years? mabey it shouldnt be a law any moore...het it moore. thank you ill be here all week, tip your waitress, try the veal. nothing to see here move along...

  20. Laws by OricAtmos48K · · Score: 1

    Extended Murphy's Laws 1. When you miniaturize your devices some quantum effect will certainly go wrong 2. Smaller the device, bigger the problem 3. Your problems will double every 18 seconds

  21. Don't argue with nerds by Drenaran · · Score: 1

    The city CAN and HAS flown using just one ZPM (sure, it needed a little extra energy boost from a thermal vent power station, but let's give them a bit of a break as far as that goes - they were being fired on by ONE HELL of a energy weapon and had an entire fucking ocean on top of them at the time.).

  22. in the same vein... by Toffins · · Score: 1

    If only there were a way to put words from the comment into some sort of a search giving a list of urls that, when clicked, took you directly to the post.