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One of the Coolest Places In the Universe

phantomflanflinger writes "The Cern Laboratory, home of the Large Hadron Collider, is fast becoming one of the coolest places in the Universe. According to news.bbc.co.uk, the Large Hadron Collider is entering the final stages of being lowered to a temperature of 1.9 Kelvin (-271C; -456F) — colder than deep space. The LHC aims to re-create the conditions just after the Big Bang and continue the search for the Higgs boson."

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  1. Re:Can someone code up a clock? by Ricken · · Score: 3, Informative

    Already done www.lhcountdown.com

  2. Re:Can someone code up a clock? by EXTER · · Score: 5, Informative
  3. Re:I thought.... by Vectronic · · Score: 4, Informative

    Because its not being built by Americans. It's being built by European Organization for Nuclear Research, A.K.A. 'CERN' (Conseil Europeen pour la Recherche Nucleaire). Thats why its not in the USA, and why its in France.

  4. Re:Curious... by Cyberax · · Score: 4, Informative

    No. Superconductors generate exactly ZERO ohmic heating when current passes through them.

    Not "some", but absolutely ZERO heating.

  5. Re:Another example of useless science journalism by piters · · Score: 5, Informative

    Indeed, getting 1.9K in a lab, or in a single NMR magnet is not a big deal. Try to do it with 1232 huge magnets, spread around 26.6 km, being some 100m underground, and using 7600 km of super-conducting "cable" (270 000 km of superconducting "strand"). This is roughly 4700 tons of material to keep at 1.9K, and 120 tons of helium being recirculated all the time through these stuff to assure 150 kW of HEAT power is dissipated. Noone ever has done a similar cryogenic installation at such scale before!

  6. Re:Curious... by amazeofdeath · · Score: 5, Informative

    HTC technology is not available yet for applications like this. They are using conventional Sn3Ti (and NbTi to some extent) superconductors. I'm not sure how the Wikipedia quote is relevant here. Although the wires in LHC are made of LTS materials, the materials still are type II superconductors. The main reason to have large cooling capacity is a phenomenon called "quenching". The wires in the coils are actually made of really thin filaments of superconducting material inside a copper matrix. These filaments can (and do) go out of superconducting state because of a local problem, and at this small point there's naturally high ohmic heating. If the system can't respond quickly enough to lower the local temperature so that the superconducting state is restored, this point of normal state will start to spread at a high speed, causing more heating and boiling off the coolant quite expensively. So this is the reason why you need large cooling capacity and thermal conductivity.

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  7. Re:Ah now I see... by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 3, Informative

    Its Schwarzchild radius would be a few cm. Although it would exert a force of 1 g if you were one Earth radius away (6000 km) but if we manage to make an Earth-weight black hole it will be a triumph of miniaturization. We will have succeeded in finally making a black hole small enough to fit in your pocket.

  8. Re:Curious... by Cyberax · · Score: 4, Informative

    Nope. ANY superconductor has zero resistance. That's actually a part of definition for a superconductor.

    Even high-temperature ones (with some caveats near critical temperature and in strong magnetic fields) have zero resistance.

  9. Re:CERN spin off technologies by Frools · · Score: 5, Informative
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_Spinoff
    Health and medicine
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    Transportation

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    Consumer, home, and recreation

    • Temper Foam
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    Environmental and agricultural resources

    • o Water Purification
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    Computer technology

    • Virtual reality research
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    Industrial productivity

    • Powdered Lubricants
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    :)

  10. Re:Curious... by Cyberax · · Score: 4, Informative

    No. One more time: there's NO resistance. In one experiment, for example, there were no measurable current decrease in a magnet after 20 years.

    Low-TC superconductors are preferable because they have much higher critical current. Superconductors lose their superconductivity when a high enough magnetic field is applied. This magnetic field can be external or generated by the current passing through the superconductor itself.

    Oh, and 1.9K temperature is used because it has a margin of safety for liquid helium (which has 4K boiling point).

  11. Re:Curious... by Manilal · · Score: 4, Informative

    Oh, and 1.9K temperature is used because it has a margin of safety for liquid helium (which has 4K boiling point).

    1.9 K is below the so-called "lambda point" of helium, which stands at 2.2 K. That point corresponds to a transition to the superfluid state. This may help with heat dissipation in this setup.

  12. Re:Curious... by Lord+Pillage · · Score: 3, Informative

    Caveat emptor is not english either. Caveat is latin for warning. See Wikipedia. So when someone says "with some caveats in strong magnetic fields" it is technically incorrect. Since "with some warnings in strong magnetic fields" isn't what he intended to say. However, caveat can be used correctly on its own. E.g. He entered the cave dispite his companion's caveat.

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