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TechCrunch Wants To Create an Open Source Tablet

RKo618 writes "TechCrunch announced that they are planning to design their own $200 web tablet device. Quoting: 'The idea is to turn it on, bypass any desktop interface, and go directly to Firefox running in a modified Kiosk mode that effectively turns the browser into the operating system for the device. Add Gears for offline syncing of Google docs, email, etc., and Skype for communication and you have a machine that will be almost as useful as a desktop but cheaper and more portable than any laptop or tablet PC.' The aim is for the tablet to run on modified open source software, which will be released back to the community along with the specifications for the hardware."

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  1. Hopefully they will get it right. by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They have to compete with the N770 and N800 both that run open source software and both already have a very large installed base of users.

    They have to compete with that, so they really need to get it right. I love my N770 except for battery life. I wish these things could go at least 3 days between charges.

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    1. Re:Hopefully they will get it right. by mollymoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They don't mention screen size, which would determine if this is a Nokia Internet Tablet competitor. It's impossible to get a sense of scale from the mockups. If It's got a 10" screen it's in a different league entirely and just the kind of device I've been waiting for for several years. My 770 is nice, but the screen size is defined by the portable form factor, which means it's too small. I was rather hoping Apple would have made a web tablet by now (the iPod Touch is, again, too small). I want something with a reasonable sized screen for use where a laptop is awkward or unnecessary but I don't need pocketability.

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    2. Re:Hopefully they will get it right. by H3g3m0n · · Score: 5, Funny

      "realh4x0rZuseemacs4shell" happens to be a common emacs keyboard short cut.

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  2. Kinda like the N800? by DingerX · · Score: 4, Informative

    I mean, those specs pretty much match a Nokia N800 with a pair of 2 GB SD cards and running OS 2008. Heck, they even got the Linux part.

    Okay, you can upgun to an Arm11, put in a bigger battery, and make the touch screen multitouch, but the device proposed is not something entirely new.

    It is, however, something eminently useful on a daily basis.

  3. Skype isn't Open Source by MichaelCrawford · · Score: 4, Informative

    They could use Jabber for instant messaging, and Asterix for voice communications.

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    1. Re:Skype isn't Open Source by Mark+Trade · · Score: 5, Funny

      Asterix for voice communications.

      I hear Obelix is way better.

      (But other than that I agree. Skype is not open source and a security liability.)

  4. Already have one by yelvington · · Score: 4, Informative

    Linux kernel ... check.
    Touchscreen interface ... check.
    Firefox ... Gecko-based browser, so check.
    Skype ... check. Also all the other IM protocols.
    Wifi ... check. Also Bluetooth to my EDGE phone.
    Headphones, mike, camera ... check.
    Google Gears ... still waiting. But I have abiword.
    About $100 over the target price, but not bad.
    http://www.nseries.com/products/n800/#l=products,n800

    I'd like a bigger touchscreen, but then it wouldn't fit in my pocket.

  5. Don't get me wrong: by Deaddy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Firefox is a great operating system it lacks a good browser, though.

    1. Re:Don't get me wrong: by Chrisq · · Score: 4, Funny

      Surely someone could write a lynx plug-in though.

  6. Re:I'd buy that for a dollar by orasio · · Score: 4, Funny

    At a dollar a piece, I'd buy a few. But what would you do with 200 of them?
     

    Sell them at the (two) dollar store.

    And what the hell is 200 hundred?

    Twenty thousand.

    Next customer!!

  7. let me get his right by ionix5891 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    a technology blog wants to create a device?

    yea right seems like linkbait to get more ad impressions (open that site while having firebug open they load so much ad shit)

  8. Good luck with that! by illumin8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I want a dead simple and dirt cheap touch screen web tablet to surf the web. Nothing fancy like the Dell latitude XT, which costs $2,500. Just a Macbook Air-thin touch screen machine that runs Firefox and possibly Skype on top of a Linux kernel.

    You want a Macbook-air thin wireless touch screen tablet device for $200? I want world peace, Dick Cheney's head on a pike, and a pony... good luck with that!

    Here's the basic idea: The machine is as thin as possible, runs low end hardware and has a single button for powering it on and off, headphone jacks, a built in camera for video, low end speakers, and a microphone. It will have Wifi, maybe one USB port, a built in battery, half a Gigabyte of RAM, a 4-Gigabyte solid state hard drive. Data input is primarily through an iPhone-like touch screen keyboard. It runs on linux and Firefox. It would be great to have it be built entirely on open source hardware, but including Skype for VOIP and video calls may be a nice touch, too.

    I'll admit what they are talking about sounds really cool, but the real world limitations of battery technology, thin electronics, and design prowess that only companies like Apple seem to have will make this thing cost $2000-3000 when it's finally done. Sorry, you just can't cram all of that good stuff into a 0.5 inch enclosure for $200.

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  9. Re:You forget the iPod Touch by fabs64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Except the open source bit?

  10. Re:3 hour of sleep by Spatial · · Score: 5, Funny

    An application you really, really do not want to debug.

  11. Why these things keep failing. by sidragon.net · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Every time these ideas come around, they simply boil down to lightweight desktop interfaces. Just taking interfaces people are used to elsewhere and dumbing them down is not going to solve any problems. First, determine if the product solves any problems, then make the solution fit those specific needs.

    Windows Mobile demonstrates this pattern exactly, which is one reason the iPhone dominates it. Apple realized that the form factor, the input devices, and usage scenarios are radically different from the desktop. Microsoft used hierarchical menus, scroll bars, and other common metaphors that break-down on handhelds. Apple opted for user interfaces that give powerful visual clues where pixels and real estate are hard to come by. The different is, as millions of people will tell you, striking.

    This “yet another tablet PC” is not going to catch on or provide any value if the designers simply repackage the laptops we already have (never mind other flops like Windows XP Tablet Edition). Figure out what users actually need and develop to those needs. Have they solved handwriting recognition? How are they going to deal with small screens? Will essential functions be quickly accessible? Do they have any concrete use cases? Have they considered that people dislike stylus input? Any ideas for one-handed keyboards perhaps?

    Sorry, but trimming down the web browser and preserving constrained desktop functionality elsewhere is not going to make waves. This strategy has failed many times in the past, and I am surprised that we are still trying it so many years after the QBE.

  12. The reason no one is doing one NOW... by tlhIngan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... is that it's not possible.

    Look at the specs - if you want decent battery life, a decent screen (with decent resolution), decent RAM and storage (specced at 512MB and 4GB), and to all go for $200, it's hard.

    The only thing on the market NOW that's even remotely close is the XO-1, but it only has 256MB of RAM and 1GB storage. And it's BOM costs are quite high already, even with its anemic CPU. If you want to mass-produce it and sell for $200 retail, after taking out everyone's profit and overhead, you're looking at a manufactured unit cost of around $100. Maybe $125, if you can squeeze profit margins from retailers and the like. (Figure in profit/time for doing the software, as asll as distribution costs to get it to retailers - you'll probably want wholesale to cost around $150-160). Of that, the screen, RAM and flash are the big budget items, and a good CPU can be pricey in quantity ($10-ish, nominally for a high-end ARM processor from the big companies - Samsung/Marvell/Freescale).

    It's a tight squeeze, add in the other costs like warranty and support, and you'll find not many people are willing ot take on such a high-risk project with such little returns. You can try to sell it online like the OLPC guys with their "give one get one" thing, which lets you raise the manufactured cost more, but then have to deal with all the issues of distribution to end users.

    It's not that no one wants to do it, it's just that it's really hard to do a good job in very tight constraints. Give it a year, and you'll probably be able to do it with last year's CPUs, last year's RAM, and last year's storage. But if you up the requirements next year, well.

    The original Eee PC had a crappy screen, crappy battery life, OK CPU, as-required RAM and as-required storage, and still cost $400, even though the screen was bulk leftovers from portable DVD players, and the CPU was more or less "hey, I found a box of these things sitting on the shelf".