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VectorLinux SOHO 5.9 Deluxe Reviewed

An anonymous reader writes with a link to Caitlyn Martin's review of the Slackware-based Vector Linux SOHO 5.9 Deluxe: "I've read past reviews by other reviewers describing Vector Linux as 'better Slackware than Slackware' or 'what Slackware should be' and I always felt that was a bit of a stretch. With this release it isn't a stretch. You get all the reliability and stability of Slackware, better performance than vanilla Slack (at least on my hardware) and the features and most of the conveniences users of distributions touted as user friendly have come to expect."

36 comments

  1. Cool by BPPG · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Vector Linux is a decent distro to try out if you're a distro-hopper. But it's still just one of those generic desktop distros that doesn't seem to have any specific aim. I've used it in the past on computers that struggled with other distros, and it seemed to work well.

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    1. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I used VectorLinux for awhile, but I found that the packages really didn't have much in the way of quality control. There was a release that was built on one of the Slackware-current snapshots, and when SC got updated it made some packages unavailable... I don't remember the details too well but I remember upgrading became a headache. Plus some of the other packages done by community members really weren't done properly, but still made it into the official tree.

      Hopefully they've sorted these things out, but it was enough for me to just be done with it and go back to Slackware.

  2. Lots of good work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But I think other things should be focused on. Like getting peripherals to work more seamlessly.

  3. Im a little confused... by jskline · · Score: 4, Informative

    I remember Slackware as being the most fundamental flavor out there--where you have to meta-configure every little thing about it... aka "fine tune" if you will the thing from the ground up. Which made it a rather secure system to start with since out of the proverbial box, it opens nothing up until you do.

    So; what is this "what Slackware should have" business???

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  4. Vector's aim by number6x · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Vector's aim is to be a small stable distro for home and small business use.

    That pretty much puts it in a class with a few hundred other distros. The difference with Vector is that it is a small stable Slackware based distro for home and small business use.

    For most people new to Linux that difference might be like saying 'but our's goes to 11!'. However, for long time Slackware users it is a good thing. If you have year's(or even decade's) of Slackware experience and are looking for a user friendly distro. Vector would be a good choice. Especially for small businesses.

    For non-Slackware users and Linux newbies you are absolutely correct that it does not stand out from the crowd.

    Vector is for Slackware what Libranet was for Debian. A really great implementation based on the parent distro. I miss Libranet. I keep hoping that Ubuntu or Mepis get up to Libranet quality standards someday.

    1. Re:Vector's aim by genican1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you have year's(or even decade's) of Slackware experience and are looking for a user friendly distro.

      If you have years of slackware experience, why would you need a "user friendly" distro?

    2. Re:Vector's aim by BPPG · · Score: 1

      How is much different from Zenwalk, or a perma-install of Slax or Wolvix, then? I can't find any good comparison for the three

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    3. Re:Vector's aim by raddan · · Score: 1

      Maybe because you are sick to death of dealing with version skew? This was a major reason why we chose RHEL for our servers at work, despite the fact that many of us here have lots of Debian, Gentoo and other UNIX experience (BSD, DECUNIX, etc)-- and arguably, we'd save money by going with them. But we don't save time or frustration. I run Ubuntu on my home computer because I just couldn't handle one more libc version bump without losing my mind. Ubuntu's Add/Remove isn't quite fire-and-forget, but it's pretty good.

      I am capable of picking through system internals. Point is, I don't want to anymore.

    4. Re:Vector's aim by Bootarn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you have years of slackware experience, why would you need a "user friendly" distro?

      I used Slackware for about five years, but I got tired of it mainly because of the package system. I tried to remedy this by installing third-party package managers like slapt-get. That didn't work for me either, because of (very) small repositories. About two years ago I decided I care too much about the bleeding edge to use Slackware, which is more stability oriented, and switched to Arch Linux. I keep thinking to myself that it would be nice to have a distribution with roots in Slackware, but with better community support and more recent packages. The point is, even if you want to have control over everything, configure && make && make install starts to drive you nuts after about four years. Even hackers eventually get lazy.

    5. Re:Vector's aim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    6. Re:Vector's aim by cbart387 · · Score: 1

      I keep hoping that Ubuntu or Mepis get up to Libranet quality standards someday.

      I just want to throw out that Mepis is awesome at automatically mounting flash drives, recognizing videcams, installing flash, java. My only beef with it is that it uses etch's repos, which means some of the newer stuff may not be available (in my case a library I needed that wasn't in the repos). Though my Mepis system still runs by switching over the Lenny repos. Libranet must have been pretty good if it beats out mepis.

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    7. Re:Vector's aim by fwarren · · Score: 1

      If you have years of slackware experience, why would you need a "user friendly" distro?

      Package management rocks. Large, hiqh quality package repositories rock even more.

      On Slackware I can have the system I want after 3 days of configuring, compiling and hunting down dependencies. I don't know maybe 30 or 40 programs, plus the little things to be configured, dev rules to be added, etc.

      Now I use the *buntu family distros. All my hardware is new enough, I don't really notice a difference in performance. The bug to configuration ratio is low. For instance. In Ubuntu auto-creation of mount points just work. But I have to create my own Midnight Commander profile for Konqueror. Not a big deal. In Slackware, I get the Midnight Commander profile for Konqueror. But I have to write my own udev rules and configure things to get automounting to work. Ubuntu makes my life easier.

      There are only 4 or 5 programs I have to compile by hand in Ubuntu. (To bad I am addicted to dock apps). Everything is in the repos or the software maintainer has an *buntu deb package on their site.

      I like slack but Ubuntu lets me spend more time working. I hate to say it, but in my experience. Usability bugs for desktop users are more likely to be worked out in Ubuntu than in Slackware.

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    8. Re:Vector's aim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is it any different? (genuinely curious) I've had Slackware on my current machine since 2003, upgraded from 10.1 (I think) up to 12.1 now. On an older machine it was 7.0 up to 11.0. glibc has been upgraded a few times, nothing ever broke because of it.

      Or are you still thinking about the libc -> glibc switch?

  5. What Slackware should be? by krkhan · · Score: 1

    It does nothing extraordinarily *evolutionary compared to Slackware. Just a silly attempt of attracting userbase? Maybe someone should re-release Slackware as Deque Linux and label it as what Vector Linux should have been.

  6. So you pay for this product... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Without any license agreement. That's pretty bold I say. Seems like it'd be too easy for a group of users to pool some money to get a copy then throw it up on a free file host. Then again, that would involve work for someone on the group's end.

    My thoughts gravitate toward software which is free and continues development via donations. How many people actually click the donate button? Only if I end up using the software daily or I think the software is awesome do I ever contribute. This just seems like an up-front donation, so if you know someone who donated (and therefore has the software) then you don't have to. It sounds like a good thing to try out - I'd be interested to know what the profit from such software is, relative to software which includes a "click here to donate" button.

    I guess in the end it allows people who don't have money to get around buying it, and probably the people who have the money to spare end up shelling it out (for convenience).

    -x2O

    1. Re:So you pay for this product... by argent · · Score: 1

      Walnut Creek CDROM ran for years selling CDs that you could download from them for free.

      That's how many people donated to Slackware and FreeBSD, by buying the CDROM from Walnut Creek instead of downloading the ISOs from Walnut Creek.

      Apparently, Vector is just taking this a step further.

    2. Re:So you pay for this product... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      When Walnut Creek made their business most people had only analog modems or no Internet at all, so it made sense to buy bunches of CDs with otherwise freely downloadable stuff on them.

    3. Re:So you pay for this product... by argent · · Score: 1

      Which is presumably why they're taking it to the next level.

  7. Sorry by Chemisor · · Score: 3, Interesting

    No 64-bit build - no deal. All modern CPUs are 64-bit, and pretending that they don't exist is not going to help you.

    1. Re:Sorry by celle · · Score: 1

      except many necessary applications that work well aren't.

    2. Re:Sorry by celle · · Score: 1

      Most of the useful(java plugin) or popular apps(games, some business) are not as stable in 64-bit if they exist at all(skype) so why put out a 64 bit distro especially when cutting edge means nothing and stability is paramount. What little speed increase you see, assuming in the end there is any, will be offset by the increased distro size and instabilities of going 64-bit. If you want a 64 bit slackware distro there's bluewhite64. Damn primadonas.

    3. Re:Sorry by clang_jangle · · Score: 1, Insightful

      All modern CPUs are 64-bit

      Just like all modern addresses are IPV6? Or all modern storage is solid state? Or all modern ISPs are either wireless or fibre? Or all modern car designs are super efficient? I know, I hate how they drag it out too, but "all modern" is pretty meaningless until it becomes prevalent, by which time it will be obsolete.

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    4. Re:Sorry by Chemisor · · Score: 1

      > Just like all modern addresses are IPV6?

      Oh, please. As far as I know, if you are on IPv6, you can't see a damn thing on the internet except through IPv4 translation.

      > Or all modern storage is solid state?

      SSDs are still too expensive, too slow, and don't provide enough benefits to switch over.

      > Or all modern ISPs are either wireless or fibre?

      I wish. In most places, you can't get either.

      > Or all modern car designs are super efficient?

      Yes, they are. The SUV market is still around, sure, but energy efficient designs is where everyone is going.

      > "all modern" is pretty meaningless until it becomes prevalent
      >> All modern CPUs are 64-bit

      Every decent desktop CPU on the market now is 64 bit. A 32 bit Pentium line still exists, but not for much longer. All the other CPUs you can buy now are 64bit, which basically is Core 2 or Athlon 64. 32 bit CPUs are either really old ones on eBay, embedded things, or some super-energy-efficient-and-slow CPUs for notebooks. And no, it is not going to be obsolete either. We will never need more than 64 bits, since there aren't any human scale physical quantities in that range.

    5. Re:Sorry by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

      Not providing a 64-bit OS for it to run on isn't helping.

    6. Re:Sorry by higuita · · Score: 1

      i'm using 64 for several years and dont see any stability problems at all...

      as for java, skype, and any other 32bit only app... you can run then without any problem...
      games, java, firefox 32bits and flash, skype, games, wine , etc

      i'm using slamd64, that have support for both 64 and 32bit apps... not only that, i have a chroot with 32bit ubuntu (for some tests) and i can run all apps (as long as i'm running the 64bits X one and i export the correct DISPLAY)

      64bits only affects the hardware support, so the kernel, drivers and X are your worries, all rest you can run fine

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    7. Re:Sorry by higuita · · Score: 1

      >> Just like all modern addresses are IPV6?
      >Oh, please. As far as I know, if you are on IPv6, you can't see a damn thing on the internet except through IPv4 translation.

      i have also both ipv4 and ipv6 and there are many sites with different content (or that only respond) via ipv6... ok, they are rare
      but you can (again) use both ipv4 and ipv6, just like you can use both 32bit and 64bit on a configured system

      its always chicken and egg, without users, there is not support, without support, there is no users
      but with time, both ipv6 and 64bits are growing and will be the future

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  8. Great for older hardware too..... by budword · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm a Kubuntu fan, but when I'm setting up older hardware, sometimes even xubuntu and fluxbuntu are too heavy. Vector Linux light edition runs just fine on a 500Mhz box with 64MB of ram. DVD's and other multi-media run out of the box, no difficult config needed. Set up was easy too, though I wasn't using any unusual hardware. It's worth trying out.

    1. Re:Great for older hardware too..... by bzipitidoo · · Score: 1

      I went with Zenwalk rather than Vector for a very simple reason: only 2G free on the hard drive on my old laptop. Zenwalk fit, Vector didn't.

      Yes, XFCE isn't lightweight like they claim. More like medium weight. I've been hunting for decent desktop environments for a long time. Most of them aren't integrated with the system. Have to build application menus yourself, and edit them if you want changes because the package management sure can't. I keep wondering why HAL and d-bus are so huge. But without them, automatic mounting of CDs and all that sort of thing is painful to set up and doesn't work well. I've tried many: Gnome, KDE. XFCE. Equinox which uses FLTK, and lots of plain window managers (fvwm, IceWM, jwm, blackbox/fluxbox, openbox). I've tried mixing them up, using parts of XFCE with edewm for instance. None of these was really acceptable. Haven't got around to LXDE, but I'm not hopeful.

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  9. Oblig by clang_jangle · · Score: 1

    64 bits ought to be enough for anybody!

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  10. Don't be a chicken by Chemisor · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    > especially when cutting edge means nothing and stability is paramount.

    Now that's just a load of FUD. A 64 bit Linux is just as stable as a 32 bit one. It is not even "cutting edge", since the same source is compiled on both platforms. If you write good code, you shouldn't even have to change anything; just recompile and run. I run Slamd64 myself, and everything on it is 64bit and very nice and stable.

    > Most of the useful(java plugin) or popular apps(games, some business) are not as
    > stable in 64-bit if they exist at all(skype) so why put out a 64 bit distro

    So it's a chicken and egg problem. Somebody has to start wanting 64 bit programs before companies will start providing them. It's the nature of business. Sure, you might not see any benefit from migrating to 64 bit, just as many people like you did not see any benefit from migrating to 32 bit from good old DOS. But a distribution packager is supposed to know these things, supposed to care about the advantages of the x64 platform. He ought to start migrating everything and everyone onto 64 bit, because it will eventually happen, just as 32 bit application completely replaced 16 bit ones. Be the egg, not the chicken.

  11. portpkg by higuita · · Score: 1

    try portpkg

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  12. Don't forget.... by renegadesx · · Score: 0, Troll

    ...to pay your $699 licensing fee you cock smoking teabaggers!

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  13. LXDE... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    XFCE has no right to continue to call themselves lightweight. Over time I've watched it get heavier and heavier. I think these lightweight distros should switch over to LXDE.

  14. The bottom line of the review by kusmin · · Score: 1

    Did not you hear about the performance of Vector Linux? Oh, it performs so much better than vanilla Slackware. It performs superior (on my hardware). Well, my hardware is old, true. And yes, Vector Linux makes it perform better.
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