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Police Director Sues AOL For Critical Blogger's Name

Pippin writes "Memphis Police Director, Larry Godwin, is suing AOL for the names of the authors of the Enforcer 2.0 blog. The blog is rumored to be authored by a Memphis police officer, and is critical of the department, Godwin, and some procedures. Godwin is actually using taxpayer dollars for this and, interestingly, the complaint is sealed".

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  1. A link by miraboo · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:A link by BPPG · · Score: 5, Informative

      They make some pretty serious allegations in this blog. Including possible murder cover-ups and tolerance of rampant sexual harassment directed at females in the police force.

      I'm not sure I really believe everything I'm reading here, but if much of it is true, then I can see why the MPD would want to shut them up.

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  2. Re:what? by Alarindris · · Score: 1, Informative

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/interestingly Interestingly - in an interesting manner.

  3. Re:what? by Bozzio · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/interestingly

    Interestingly.
    ADVERB

    Either there's a word missing in the sentence, or it should be rewritten:
    And, interestingly, Godwin is actually using taxpayer dollars for this. The complaint is sealed."
      - or -
    Godwin is actually using taxpayer dollars for this, and, interestingly, the complaint is sealed."

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  4. Re:what? by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 2, Informative

    Either there's a word missing in the sentence...

    You must be under some mistaken impression that Slashdot has "editors" that vet the stories.

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  5. Re:Do, Do let me be first.. by jd · · Score: 2, Informative

    How do you propose to violate Godwin's Law? Do you even know what Godwin's Law is?

    (For those interested in the subject, Godwin's Law states that as the length of any discussion approaches infinity, the probability of a reference to Naziism within that thread in any context approaches 1. It says nothing about who wins, who loses, or even when the event occurs, only that the probability goes up with time. You could substitute any word or phrase you like into that equation and it would still hold true. In an infinitely long thread, you are absolutely certain to have at least one mention of every single concept, object, philosophy and idea ever known to humanity, because of the way probability works. In other words, the law is senselessly specific and statistically meaningless.)

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  6. Re:Do, Do let me be first.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    Whoosh...

  7. Links by Morosoph · · Score: 5, Informative

    I notice that they haven't even linked the blog directly.

    Does anyone care about the stories, or it it just "another libertarian story that they'll love"?

    Granted, it wasn't hard to click through from the article, but it's not as if blogspot as going to get slashdotted, and free speech needs examples, not just meta-waffling.

  8. Re:Do, Do let me be first.. by kaos07 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Did the miss the fact that the Police Director in this article is named... Godwin?

  9. Re:just flame a little more carefully by olliM · · Score: 2, Informative

    "I believe he did something illegal." is an opinion. "He did something illegal." is a statement of fact.

    If you can't tell the difference, you have a problem.

    The two statements say exactly the same thing - you are saying he did something illegal. Whether he did or did not do something illegal is not a question of opinion, but a question of fact.

    http://w2.eff.org/bloggers/lg/faq-defamation.php

    Can my opinion be defamatory?

    No - but merely labeling a statement as your "opinion" does not make it so. Courts look at whether a reasonable reader or listener could understand the statement as asserting a statement of verifiable fact. (A verifiable fact is one capable of being proven true or false.) This is determined in light of the context of the statement. A few courts have said that statements made in the context of an Internet bulletin board or chat room are highly likely to be opinions or hyperbole, but they do look at the remark in context to see if it's likely to be seen as a true, even if controversial, opinion ("I really hate George Lucas' new movie") rather than an assertion of fact dressed up as an opinion ("It's my opinion that Trinity is the hacker who broke into the IRS database").

  10. Re:Do, Do let me be first.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The most commonly seen form of Godwin's law in the wild is closer to "As thread length approaches infinity, the probability of someone making an unjustified comparison with nazi germany goes towards 1. The first person to do this is usually considered to have lost the debate."

    That might not be the original form, but I've found that it's often useful to use the same meaning for things as the majority of the audience.

    Incidentally, quoting Godwin: "Although deliberately framed as if it were a law of nature or of mathematics, its purpose has always been rhetorical and pedagogical: I wanted folks who glibly compared someone else to Hitler or to Nazis to think a bit harder about the Holocaust."

    Oh, and with the above in mind, I'm sure you can construct a number of possible inappropriate nazi germany comparisons for the original story.

  11. Re:Do, Do let me be first.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    I just ran out of mod-points and I wished I had saved one long enough to mod you redundant. Instead I'll comment:

    This isn't a "whoosh" moment you mime chiming little moron. The whoosh sound is the gas escaping form your air-filled head.

  12. Re:Do, Do let me be first.. by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 3, Informative

    Try reading the The Godwins Law FAQ

    The point of Godwins Law is that once a thread degenerates into comparisons with Hitler that thread is effectively over, and can be killfiled by the participants without risk of losing any useful information.

    This leads to the tradition that mention of Nazis in a thread by a participant automatically makes them lose the argument (http://www.jargon.net/jargonfile/g/GodwinsLaw.html)

  13. Re:Do, Do let me be first.. by Minwee · · Score: 3, Informative

    Try reading the article at the top of the page you're on.

    "Memphis Police Director, Larry Godwin, is suing AOL"

  14. Re:You know who else by rpillala · · Score: 2, Informative

    Does this joke rely on me knowing the answer or on the fact that I don't know the answer?

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  15. read the blog itself by WindBourne · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is not about embarassment. The top story shows that some top ppl within the police are criminals. The least crime was a cover-up, and aiding/abeting. It is probably a great deal more. As such, this site is about to cause either the state or possibly the feds to come in (not likely the feds with our current admin).

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  16. Re:Do, Do let me be first.. by sm62704 · · Score: 3, Informative

    That was an excellent post, except you dodn't add any links. From the Nazis at Wikipedia:

    Godwin's Law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies)[1] is an adage formulated by Mike Godwin in 1990. The law states:[2][3]

    "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."

    Godwin's Law is often cited in online discussions as a caution against the use of inflammatory rhetoric or exaggerated comparisons, and is often conflated with fallacious arguments of the reductio ad Hitlerum form.

    The rule does not state whether any reference or comparison to Hitler or the Nazis might be appropriate, but only asserts that the probability of such a reference increases over time. It is precisely because such a comparison may sometimes be appropriate that Godwin has argued[4] that overuse of Nazi and Hitler comparisons should be avoided, because it robs the valid comparisons of their impact.

    In one of its early forms, Godwin's Law referred specifically to Usenet newsgroup discussions.[5] The law is now applied to any threaded online discussion, including electronic mailing lists, message boards, chat rooms, blog comment threads, and wiki talk pages.

    From the Uncyclopedia death camps:

    "Godwin's Law is precisely like Hitler. The similarities between Godwin's law and the Nazis are uncanny. People who start screaming that the fascist law of Godwin has been invoked are no better then the guards at the Nazi death camps." ~ Godwin's Law on Godwin's Law

    You'd better log off. Science says - he's coming for you.Godwin's Law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Apparition) is a scientific law. It is not a theory!

    The law states:

    As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of Nazis or Hitler spontaneously materialising and enacting systematic genocide against the poster approaches one. Godwin's Law does not question whether the genocide enacted by Hitler or the Nazis might be appropriate or justified, but only asserts that the enactment of one is increasingly probable.

    The most frequent invocation of the law today is found on Wikipedia, where discussion threads for the most trivial of topics cover pages and pages. This explains the origin of the WikiNazis who roam the site, permitting only their warped "NOPV" version of the facts.

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  17. Re:what? by sm62704 · · Score: 2, Informative

    As somebody who was born in the middle of the 20th century, I got to correct you. It just ain't so. Nobody never used proper grammar back then, neither.

    Grammar is so ninteenth century.

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  18. Re:You've missed something important by sm62704 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yes dictatorships and their like tends to be much better at misappropriating funds for personal interest but US is a democracy

    Actually, no it isn't. The US is a republic, not a Democracy. It isn't even a democratic republic; if it were, before any bill became law it would have to be voted on my the citizens.

    We have "almost" democratically elected legislators. I say "almost" because we are more of a plutocracy than a democracy; usually the candidate with the most money to spend on his campaign wins. This allows the corporates, who own the media, to marginalize all but two of the political parties and "contribute" to those two, making whoever wins beholden to them.

    I truly wish we were a democratic republic, where nobody could contribute to more than one candidate in any given race, where nobody could contribute to a candidate he wasn't eligible to vote for, where all laws expired after ten years and had to be relegislated, and where no bill became law unless voted on by the citizens.

    I'd like to be rich, too, but that's about as likely to happen.

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  19. Re:Anyone else over the internet? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2, Informative

    True, in the Dixie Chicks case it wasn't the government that did anything. Rather, a large radio corporation (not to mention names here) decided that they were going to be proactive and ordered their radio stations to ban the Dixie Chicks from their stations. Senators from both parties were troubled by the action. Senator McCain who disagreed with the Dixie Chicks' statement said:

    "If a local station made a decision not to play a particular band, then that is what localism is all about. But when a corporate decision is made that (a company's radio stations) will not play a group because of a political statement, then that comes back to what we're talking about with media consolidation."

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