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VIA Releases 800 Pages of Documentation For Linux

billybob2 writes "VIA has published three programming guides that total 800 pages in length and cover their PadLock, CX700, and VX800/820 technologies. The VIA PadLock provides a random number generator, an advanced cryptography engine, and RSA algorithm computations. The VX800 chipset was VIA's first Integrated Graphics Processor, while the CX700 is a System Media Processor designed for the mobile market. This is another step in VIA's strategy to support the development of Free and Open Source drivers under Linux, which comes pre-installed on VIA products such as the Sylvania NetBook, HP Mini-Note, 15.4" gBook, gPC, CloudBook, Zonbu, and VIA OpenBook. Earlier this week, VIA hired Linux kernel developer and GPL-Violations.org founder Harald Welte to be VIA's liason to the Open Source community."

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  1. Re:linux? by bloodninja · · Score: 5, Informative

    Now Linux drivers can be written for the hardware. Just like TFS says.

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  2. 800 pages in length by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    VIA has published three programming guides that total 800 pages in length

    How many pages in width?

    1. Re:800 pages in length by Drinking+Bleach · · Score: 4, Funny

      700, with a depth of 300.

    2. Re:800 pages in length by eddy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >A single core on a 3Ghz Core2 can match the performance of Padlock.

      Which of course, is pathetic, all things considered. It's like hammering in a screw. Yeah sure, with a big enough hammer it'll go in...

      >There is nothing magical about this

      Who mentioned magic? I sure as hell didn't.

      >The fact that the Core2 can keep up says volumes about the poor implementation of the C7.

      Yes, an Intel 3.0GHz Core2 CPU at 100% load keeping up with a ~12W fanless CPU. I can see how you'd consider that a loss for the VIA implementation, if you're on drugs.

      I don't know what the hell the point of your comment was, I seems to be argumentative just for the sake of it. The facts are simple: If Intel and AMD worked together on a cryptographic instruction set, we'd get FANTASTICALLY BETTER performance in these scenarios. We're talking 10-20x the performance of just bruteforcing it, spending CPU time that could be used for something better.

      If you want to argue against that, I suggest you visit the local bar. I believe its name is /dev/null

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  3. Re:my family have a confectionery business... by bloodninja · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm sure Linux developers love having their cake and eating it too!

    The cake is a... yeah, you saw that one coming didn't you?

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  4. Re:font? by bloodninja · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I hope they used a very tiny font!

    I want to love Via, but they keep disappointing me.

    ATI started off with 800 pages as well. They kept adding to it, to the point where ATI graphic chipsets are almost as well supported Intels, and even have budding 3D support in the free drivers. I have faith in VIA.

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  5. state of integrated graphics by walshy007 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    makes you wonder, what with intel and via and amd/ati opening their documentation etc, if it will get to the point in the near future where nvidia will be the only binary blob in regards to video drivers.

    come to think of it, this trend is something similar to what happened with wifi a few years back. Everyone was using binary blobs, then atheros, ralink etc release specs and oss drivers. let us hope this pressures the remaining vendors to do the same.

    1. Re:state of integrated graphics by Ilgaz · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They need serious competition from ATI and Linux fans choosing ATI because of document availability.

      Same goes for Via too.

      The pressure can only be done via free market and people's reason for choosing a product. Lets say, a huge customer like a country Army chooses ATI for their computers over NVidia just because ATI is documented. I tell you to count days (not weeks!) before Nvidia does similar move. Just watch the governments after the documentation of VIA, the salesman will have a real hard to beat argument: "It is open!"

      Does the security agencies, armies still buy Nvidia while choosing Linux/BSD because the source is open? It really makes no sense to have binary thing running in supposed to be open and secure OS.

    2. Re:state of integrated graphics by UncleTogie · · Score: 4, Informative

      It is cheaper and easier to not use ancient crap.

      That all depends on who's buying the parts...

      Your mindset considered, you'd better not look too closely into industrial control systems.... your head might explode.

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  6. Re:linux? by JSBiff · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well, as one of the other respondants pointed out, once the docs are out there, it can benefit any operating system, but the point is that VIA wants Linux, in particular (and the technologies like X that operate with the Linux kernel) to better support their products. I think of the three, the one that is most likely to be directly used by the Linux kernel dev is the crypto engine documentation. I think there are kernel-space crypto block device drivers (LUKS - at least, I think it's kernel space; I suppose it might be implemented in user-space) which could be accellerated by the padlock engine. In fact, I think the kernel already has some support for the padlock - whenever I boot my laptop, on which I have used LUKS to encrypt my /home partition, I get a warning that the padlock engine was not found (of course, because I have an Intel Core2 Duo, so don't have padlock).

  7. First Atheros and now this? by slimjim8094 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's just a coincidence they came one after another, but I think companies are going to quickly realize that there's no benefit to keeping things locked up.

    Suddenly they won't need to pay to write drivers, just release the documentation to write them (of course, it would be nice if they gave us a base). The OSS community will make the drivers more stable, cleaner, and faster. We will use the drivers for things they didn't imagine. All of this will save them money and sell their hardware (features added for free? added incentive to buy my stuff? sign me up!)

    I think we may have reached critical mass, at least on the driver side.

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    1. Re:First Atheros and now this? by Paradigm_Complex · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, sadly we're no where near critical mass. Not yet. There's three main problems:

      (1) Companies lose control if they open source their drivers. Examples: Dell recently killed certain features from their sound drivers, and a ways back Creative was upset at someone who hacked up features into their Vista drivers which were purposefully absent (but present on their XP drivers). Both Dell and Creative "lost" here even with closed source drivers - they'd have never stood a chance to screw over their customers if the drivers were open.

      (2) Many companies, which should focus on hardware, still worry others stealing their technology from open sourcing their drivers. nVidia is the biggest example here.

      (3) Managment people are stupid and can't seem to comprehend how giving away this information can benefit them.

      Slowly things are going the right direction, but it'll be quite a while yet. For the time being the F/OSS community will just have to remain in the weird flux of having some things work better than their closed source counterparts (rt2570 works sooo much better on Linux), while some things are worse (x264 acceleration).

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  8. Unichrome Pro support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Next step: Release the documentation for the display adapters please.

    The open source drivers mostly can't handle the mpeg2/mpeg4 acceleration, and without that the Epias collapse when you try to watch some higher resolution video. That makes them quite unsuitable for living room usage, which is a shame because they could make excellent HTPCs. With better drivers the better Epia boards could handle HD video just fine..

  9. Just about time - now for the other solutions by owlstead · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm trying to run Ubunu on a VIA epia for some time now, but their graphics solution is as unstable as hell. There is either the binary driver from VIA itself, or the OS one, but both are not quite what you would expect. Now the question for me is: will it also affect the CN400 chipset (and especially the graphics driver)? Because 5 minutes of average uptime before the machine freezes is not workable. I do think the UniChrome Pro support packages are most important for VIA, the rest already seems to work pretty well.

    It seems that each time that a company is on the ropes, they pledge OS support. It would be a good idea for companies to do something when they are not on the brink of extinction. VIA is in a tight spot. They're moving out of the chipset business, and since the eye of Intel is currently on the mobile CPU/chipset business, they can expect the Nazgul to come riding in pretty soon (I don't know too many old testament stories, which seem more appropriate for VIA).

  10. Re:font? by Asztal_ · · Score: 4, Funny

    They should have asked the OOXML people to help out.

  11. That's just a mistake in TFS by BhaKi · · Score: 5, Informative

    There is no such thing as OS-specific hardware documentation. The released documentation enables all interested OS-writers/driver-writers to write compatible software.

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  12. Re:font? by Jason+Earl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Personally, I would say that hiring Harald Welte is a better indication of VIA's intentions than the release of documentation. Nobody in their right mind is going to hire the owner of GPL-Violations.org unless they are absolutely serious about Free Software.

    Welte eats vendors for breakfast. Hiring him grants VIA instant credibility. If VIA drops the ball it is very likely to get crucified. Unless the executives at VIA have the intellect of fence posts this indicates a sea change for Free Software support from VIA.