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SETI@Home Adds New Search Method

Adam Korbitz writes to point out that SETI@Home has added a new algorithm for use in evaluating signals from outer space. It's called "Astropulse," and they've made the scientific details available. Quoting: "The original SETI@home is narrowband, meaning that it is listening for a particular radio frequency. That's like listening to an orchestra playing, and trying to hear when anyone plays the note "A sharp." Astropulse listens for short-time pulses. In the orchestra analogy, it's like listening for a quick drum beat, or a series of drumbeats. Since no one knows what extraterrestrial communications will 'sound like,' it seems like a good idea to search for several types of signals. In scientific terms, Astropulse is a sky survey that searches for microsecond transient radio pulses."

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  1. Surprising by FeatureBug · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I find it slightly surprising it has taken the SETI project how many years to start checking broadband as well as narrowband signals. All those years spending a fortune in resources but only checking narrowband seems rather a waste of time. I would have been checking all sorts of broadband signal types from the very beginning.

    1. Re:Surprising by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Its actually a good point. Our own radio communications have gone from narrow band (amplitude modulation, frequency modulation, sidebands with supressed carrier etc) to broadband (time division multiplexing, frequency hopping, etc) during the life of the SETI project.

      We got the idea that aliens will send a signal with a wide bandwidth over a short time, because we are doing that too.

  2. Yes but by negRo_slim · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Haven't we already covered this? The cost in electricity for them to use my "unused" resources is not worth it for SETI which offers and most likely will never offer any tangible benefit to our society.

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    1. Re:Yes but by vertinox · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The cost in electricity for them to use my "unused" resources is not worth it for SETI which offers and most likely will never offer any tangible benefit to our society.

      True, but who are you to say what others due with their free CPU cycles?

      Personally, I like protein folding, but if other people want to look for alien life with their cycles then its their computer.

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    2. Re:Yes but by FlyingSquidStudios · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The proven existence of intelligent extraterrestrial life will have a profound effect on a lot of people's core religious beliefs. That alone will have a major effect on society and it might just turn a few people away from their outdated superstitious beliefs. I consider that a tangible benefit.

    3. Re:Yes but by Stan+Vassilev · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The proven existence of intelligent extraterrestrial life will have a profound effect on a lot of people's core religious beliefs. That alone will have a major effect on society and it might just turn a few people away from their outdated superstitious beliefs. I consider that a tangible benefit.

      Sure, finding alien life will have a lot of impact. The thing is SETI won't do that, at least as far as basic physics and math is concerned.

      But of course, it may end up replacing out outdated superstitious beliefs, and replacing them with more modern superstitious beliefs, such as trying to catch alien radio on our satelites. The parallels between doing this, and an old-school prayer to God are quite ironic.

    4. Re:Yes but by Memroid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, but just think of how many more crazy religions it would spawn...

    5. Re:Yes but by strelitsa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When you start paying your neighbor's electric bills, then you will receive a bit more credibility when you attempt to tell them how much or how little electricity they get to use. Let me be the first to solemnly assure you that your brownouts aren't being caused by the kid next door running SETI@Home or downloading Britney Spears pr0n.

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    6. Re:Yes but by Lazy+Jones · · Score: 1, Insightful

      T>True, but who are you to say what others due with their free CPU cycles?

      CPU cycles aren't free these days (with good power management), they cost electricity and producing electricty usually leads to CO2 emissions and thus contributes to global warming.

      Your pointless SETI computations are heating up my planet, so I can bloody well complain about it.

      Now, finding a large prime number on the other hand, might earn me an entry in the Guinness Book of World Records...

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    7. Re:Yes but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      That alone will have a major effect on society and it might just turn a few people away from their outdated superstitious beliefs. I consider that a tangible benefit.

      You really underestimate the irrationality of the deeply religious. I mean, one might think our acquired understanding of evolutionary theory, archeology, biology, geology, sociology, chemistry, cosmology, physics, dinosaurs, carbon dating, etc. etc. might have turned more humans away from believing religious nonsense, but no such luck.

      It will not be difficult for the irrational to hold yet another conflicting idea simultaneously in their heads: "Aliens! It just goes to prove how much more powerful the Creator is than we ever even suspected! Praised be his name!!!" "Ah yes, the good book refers to the angels in the heavens. Once again, the bible is proven correct," "The so-called-Alien claim is nothing more than Satan's test of our faith," "There is nothing about this in the bible. Therefore the aliens are a hoax perpetrated by atheist scientists." etc.

      Just as "life finds a way"... so does humanity's need to find comfort, meaning, and social standing in profoundly shallow thinking.

    8. Re:Yes but by arth1 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Let me be the first to solemnly assure you that your brownouts aren't being caused by the kid next door running SETI@Home or downloading Britney Spears pr0n.

      No, it's being caused by tens of thousands of kids of all ages running SETI@Home, having ACs set to sub-70 temperatures, running dryers with hot air exhaust, and otherwise wasting energy.

      When you start paying your neighbor's electric bills, then you will receive a bit more credibility when you attempt to tell them how much or how little electricity they get to use.

      Yes, they pay for the energy they use, but all of us pay when there are brownouts -- they hit those of us who conserve energy as much as the wasters who pick up the slack that we create. Which is why I got a right to bitch. If they only created brownouts for themselves, and not me too, I would have kept my mouth shut.

    9. Re:Yes but by Nazlfrag · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Proverbs 27:1
      Boast not thyself of tomorrow; for thou knowest not what a day may bring forth.

      In this case foolish to assume SETI is an empty hope.

  3. Why not? by FeatureBug · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Except for a huge assumption you're making: that an advanced civilization wouldn't want to broadcast a distinctive, easily decoded, narrowband signal. Perhaps they might want to do it to announce their existence to the rest of the universe, even though they would have the know-how to sendmuch more efficient broadband signals.

  4. Re:we'll never find any signals by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 4, Insightful

    SETI is not searching for accidental transmissions or leakage. SETI is only searching for deliberate beacons being sent by alien civilizations. SETI's techniques cannot detect random radio chatter and are not intended to.

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  5. Ironic by Randall311 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Does anybody else find it ironic that we are looking for intelligent extra-terrestrial communications on the very same frequency that we (an intelligent species) are prohibited from transmitting on? The 1.420 gigahertz frequency was chose (I believe) because of the hydrogen line. It would seem to me that a more effective methodology would be to do a spectrum sweeping search. The odds of any intelligent species transmitting on just one frequency are unlikely enough. Combine that with the fact that we are only listening on one frequency. Now we can compare finding a needle in a haystack as trivial in comparison.

    1. Re:Ironic by Ransak · · Score: 3, Insightful
      The concept of SETI is to look for radio signals that have been intentionally directed toward us (ie, not stray signals).

      The SETI line of thought is if another civilization is intelligent enough to understand the Hydrogen Line and the Microwave Window and that another civilization - us - would understand that as well and use it for radio astronomy, the frequency of Hydrogen (1420.40575 MHz) would be the most likely place we would be listening since the universe is mostly made up of it from what we can tell so far.

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  6. Re:Erm... by FlyingSquidStudios · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't fucking care & refuse to show any respect, or even read anything you've said after it.

    This is why we need people to be more rational.

  7. Re:Erm... by MagdJTK · · Score: 3, Insightful

    His point was that people can be good without being religious. And of course people can be nasty and religious at the same time.

    ...go fuck yourself.

    Your posts have done a lot to back up his claim.

  8. Highly Debatable by Crazy+Taco · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The proven existence of intelligent extraterrestrial life will have a profound effect on a lot of people's core religious beliefs. That alone will have a major effect on society and it might just turn a few people away from their outdated superstitious beliefs. I consider that a tangible benefit.

    Yes, but is there any alien life? Certainly there's been no evidence of any, though you talk as though it certainly, and inevitably, exists. It sure sounds like you are the one making assumptions and promoting a faith based argument!

    And as for this changing anyone's beliefs, that's highly debatable. Christian author CS Lewis wrote a trilogy in the late '40s that imagined intelligent life to be on both Mars and Venus. He was a noted apologist and theologian for the Christian faith, and he had no problem with considering the existence of extraterrestrials. (Note: The starting book of the trilogy was called Out of the Silent Planet).

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