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Software Patent Sanity on the Way?

Ars Technica is reporting that the traditionally silent US Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) may be starting to turn things around. It seems that in recent action the USPTO has started to make it much easier to invalidate software patents with some saying that the abolition of such patents may be in the distant future. "Duffy cites four recent cases that illustrate the Patent Office's growing hostility to the patenting of software and other abstract concepts. While the USPTO hasn't formally called for the abolition of software patents, the positions it took in these cases do suggest a growing skepticism. In the first two cases, decided last fall, the United States Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit (which has jurisdiction over patent appeals) upheld patent rejections by the USPTO. They were not software patent cases, as such. In In Re Nuijten, the court considered a patent related to an algorithm for adding a watermark to a digital media file. The Federal Circuit did not invalidate the claims relating to the watermarking algorithm itself; everyone seemed to agree that the algorithm was patentable. Rather, the decision focused on whether a digital signal could be the subject of a patent claim. The court concluded that it could not. A victory for common sense, perhaps, but hardly a rejection of software patents."

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  1. From the US Government? by null+etc. · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can hardly believe that the US government would make a sensible decision that also happens to be in the interest of its citizens.

    1. Re:From the US Government? by IMightB · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think it was Churchill who said it best "The US can be counted on to do the right thing, only after it has exhausted all other possible options"

  2. Re:Somewhat a dupe by D+Ninja · · Score: 5, Funny

    Here at Slashdot, we call that "Prior Art."

  3. Provide the proof! by srealm · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've always believed that patents should include not just the idea being patented, but also details on how to recreate such an idea (ie. the prototype).

    For physical objects, this means schematics. For drugs and such this means formulas. For software it means source code.

    See how many companies will be willing (or in the case of patent trolls, ABLE) to patent software when they have to pony up a working implementation as part of the patent application (and thus public record).

    I am also against 'secret' or 'partially secret' patents, how is someone supposed to know they are infringing on a patent if they can't get all the details on a patent?

    1. Re:Provide the proof! by sir_eccles · · Score: 5, Informative

      I can't resist replying to this comment. It is typical of many Slashdot comments particularly in relation to Patent Law.

      I don't know how much the author actually knows about patent law but the comment illustrates a severe lack of understanding.

      Patents must and do include "details on how to recreate such an idea". It's called the "description". While you no longer need to produce a prototype there is generally enough in the description for "someone skilled in the art2 to recreate it. In fact the whole reason you don't have to produce a working model is because you might not have the resources available but you want your idea protected while for example you get funding to set up a factory or what not.

      I really don't know what you mean by a "secret patent". Since 2001 in the US and the rest of the world for approximately forever, pretty much all granted patents have been published twice. Once 18 months after filing and the second time after grant. Just because you don't know about a patent does not make it secret. All the patent databases are available for free online these days.

  4. Re:Software is not of patentable subject matter... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    More than embarrasing. Costly.

    Like the saying, "Make hay while the sun shines" the fallacy that equates license to property will burn many more fools before we are done. Money in the bank is always decreasing in value. Using that money keeps it alive. Many profited in the domain name business, if they were wise enough to buy and sell them in a short lived market. The coming ICANN changes will soon massively devalue once treasured domains and those foolish enough to be left holding them, but not using them, will lose out.

    The same is true of bogus patents. Fine if you were able to catch the wave of USPOs mistake that sparked the software patent war in the first place, and leverage ivalid patents, but disaster for those caught holding them in the belief that they are tangible property.

    When the correction finally comes (and it will) it will wipe billions off the value of some companies. It couldn't happen to more deserving people of course. And perhaps that's the main reason it hasn't happened already. Software patents always have been, by widely recognised standards including those of UPSO itself, invalid. It's only the propagation of an error that has allowed some to profit meanwhile. The value of a market resulting from an error should not be justification to allow that error to persist.

  5. algorithms patentable? by dougmc · · Score: 5, Interesting

    everyone seemed to agree that the algorithm was patentable

    That's an odd thing to agree upon, because algorithms are not patentable (search for `algorithm')

    But methods are. I forget where I read this, but the difference was explained something like this --

    Bob: So, algorithms are not patentable and methods are.
    Lawyer: Right.
    Bob: But what's the difference between an algorithm and a method? Aren't they pretty much the same thing?
    Lawyer: Listen carefully ... algorithms are not patentable, but methods are ...
    Bob: ?

  6. Software Patents Just Need to be Smarter by hellwig · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The problem I see with software patents is that people are patenting the wrong ends of their ideas (they're putting their makeup on their asses in other words).

    Take for example Amazon's one-click checkout. The idea of a one-click checkout should not be patentable. Anyone number of people should be able to accept a single click to check-out, what should be patented is the system behind the checkout. The mechanism for tying in the user's login, prioritizing recently used shipping addresses and payment methods, etc... You need to patent the process or the invention, not an ethereal idea.

    If I invent Widget A that performs task A, and am awarded patent "Widget A for performing Task A", and someone realized widget A will also perform task B without any modifications, they can't patent "Widget A for peforming task B", because I still own the patent for Widget A, which is all that really matters. I own the exclusive rights for Widget A, no one else can reproduce Widget A regardless of what they want use it for. Amazon didn't invent one-clicking (didn't Microsoft patent that recently?), so they can't say no one else can use one-clicking for checking-out.

    It's similar to the patent that the adult-entertainment (read: porno) industry has been fighting for years. Some company patented the idea that videos could be downloaded from the internet. Problem is, since that company did not create the internet nor the http protocol nor the first web-browser, they didn't actually create anything that had to do with the content their patent covered. Improving upon an invention means changing the invention, not mentioning something else the invention could be used for. That's the problem with software patents. People are patenting what existing technology can do, but if they don't own the existing technology, they can't tell other people they can't use it for other things.

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  7. Re:Seems vaguely familar by serviscope_minor · · Score: 5, Funny

    unfortunately, funny posts don't get yo karma. You need one that is informative, like this post.

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