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MPAA Plans To Launch Movie Links Site

eldavojohn writes "To combat piracy, the MPAA's latest idea involves a site that would allow users to search for a movie and then provide links to legit legal downloads or ticket purchases for it. Why are they doing this? Because their research showed 'many users have a hard time differentiating between legal and illegal content online.' And all this time I thought people pirated movies because it was cheaper to do! Turns out they were just confused."

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  1. Where do I sign up? by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Normally, I would pirate a movie because it's free, has no DRM, and is available at any time (even while the movie is still playing in theaters). Then when it came out on DVD or Blu-ray later, I would buy it and give the filmmaker their fair cut (I'm not not looking to rip them off, I just want a copy of the movie to play at home).

    But now that the MPAA has given me a chance to pay money to download from a piss-poor selection of movies that are all crippled by DRM, all I can say is "Thank God!" I mean, what I really want is a poor quality copy of a movie that requires me to connect to the internet and get the studio okay every time I watch it, won't let me make copies or share it with friends, and costs just as much as if I went and bought it on DVD (with the added bonus of none of the DVD extra content).

    Yep, the MPAA finally gets it!

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    1. Re:Where do I sign up? by GigaHurtsMyRobot · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hackers Paradise!! I want to see this site serving camcorder torrents of the dark knight by the end of the week, and the MPAA suing themselves shortly afterwards.

    2. Re:Where do I sign up? by spiffyman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      FTFA:the site "could include links to Fandango, Movietickets.com, Amazon, Netflix, iTunes, Xbox Live Video, Hulu, and more."

      What part of that sounds like a "piss-poor selection" of "crippled" flicks? Fandango and Movietickets, at least, aren't exactly DRM purveyors. And Apple's DRM is one of the least onerous options out there, for "legit" viewing.

      Maybe I'm missing something, but I actually think this is a good move on the MPAA's part. I do want to know where I can get movies legally, and this could help increase competition - better for my bottom line. I'm not going to complain about what appears to be a sincere attempt to address consumers' needs.

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    3. Re:Where do I sign up? by arth1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, they'll use the lack of interest for this site as "evidence" that people are only interested in ripping them off and getting things for free.
      Hanlon's razor to the contrary, I think this was deliberately planned to fail, to be used as ammunition for swaying the lawmakers.
      The RIAA will submit their own interpretation of why it failed. That it was designed to be cumbersome to make it fail won't be grokked by politicians.

    4. Re:Where do I sign up? by arth1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And Apple's DRM is one of the least onerous options out there, for "legit" viewing.

      Huh? Which universe are you in? In my universe, Apple requires specific software to be installed on my machine -- software that takes over system functions, and even downloads other software that I don't want, which in turn takes over more of the system. It's the most intrusive DRM system I've ever seen.

    5. Re:Where do I sign up? by Moryath · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Fandango + Movietickets = MOVIE TICKET sales. I sometimes use them when I'm... oh... going to the theater (something I've done a lot this summer).

      Amazon, Netflix - are you referring to renting/buying the DVD/Blu-ray? Or are you referring to their crappy-as-hell never-works-properly "online rental" setups?

      iTunes - Great. Don't own an iPod. Not planning to. Decent video quality only if you plan to watch on tinyscreen.

      Xbox Live Video - I've gotten precisely ONE video on it, before I realized there was no way to preserve what I bought (supposedly a "purchase" but going to die with the console).

      Hulu - lower quality than broadcast TV. No way to download/preserve it or dump it to any portable option. Yeah, awesome. Not.

      Maybe I'm missing something, but I actually think this is a good move on the MPAA's part.

      You're missing a lot of things.

      I do want to know where I can get movies legally, and this could help increase competition - better for my bottom line.

      If I thought for a minute it would help increase competition, maybe that would be a point. I don't.

      As for knowing where I can get movies legally? I already know. I also know that the supposedly "legal" methods today deliberately and ILLEGALLY infringe on my first-sale rights, and you won't catch me supporting that.

    6. Re:Where do I sign up? by Moryath · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Huh? Which universe are you in?

      I believe they call his universe "plantville."

      Or "Shillverse."

    7. Re:Where do I sign up? by spiffyman · · Score: 3, Informative

      The complaint that FairPlay requires specific software is a) hardly unique, since just about every DRM system does, and b) effectively false.

      I don't claim that iTunes is perfect - the downloading of extra software is particularly troublesome - but it's a pretty decent piece of jukebox software.

      Besides, Apple at least has shown a history of at least appearing to listen to customers' requests. Witness, for example, the advent of "iTunes Plus" songs on the iTMS.

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    8. Re:Where do I sign up? by spiffyman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I sometimes use them when I'm... oh... going to the theater

      Well, I didn't say anything about getting movies online legally. The fact is that this website should provide the sort of one-stop shop a lot of consumers look for. A similar response can be given to your "critiques" of each of these services.

      None of them are perfect, and I never claimed they were. But I think it's silly that those of us who have spent so much time lambasting the MPAA for its heavy-handed methods are now assailing them for providing a non-profit index of legal services. "Ooooooh! How eeeeeevil of the MPAA! Please don't inform me of where you'd like me to shop!"

      The iPod isn't the only device iTMS movies play on. Get your facts straight.

      If I thought for a minute it would help increase competition, maybe that would be a point. I don't.

      Ok. Here's some substantive disagreement. I think the fact that these sites are all linked on the same site will put them in direct competition with each other. If I want tickets, then I'll pick the site that charges less for reserving tickets. If I want a rental, I'll consider the price/benefit ratio of getting a movie tonight at X price vs. Wednesday at Y price, etc. I think that's pretty straightforward.

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    9. Re:Where do I sign up? by spiffyman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      which is worse than even what Sony managed

      Yeah? On my box, I chose to install iTunes. I don't recall getting to do that with Sony's rootkits.

      You're absolutely right that opt-out is a bad way for Apple to push software. But, again, that's a non-unique complaint. And when we're already selecting the lesser of two evils, I have to say I prefer the software that provides a decent service and at least lets you break its defaults.

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    10. Re:Where do I sign up? by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 3, Funny

      Just another case of Internet anonymity gone wrong.

      ...Says the "bravecanadian." Ohh look! I've got a strawman too!

    11. Re:Where do I sign up? by veganboyjosh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think you're close, but off the mark.

      I'd say most people download (illegally) because it's just easier. It's easier to find content via TPB than it is going to retail store xyz and finding a movie that's 2 years old. It's easier to get it in a format that works (Windows, Mac, Linux, etc). It's easier to deal with the files once you have them. (DRM, etc)

      It's easier to get for free from torrenttracker123 than it is to pay for it from netflix, amazon, or wherever. It's too bad for the **AA, too. If they had been even a little forward thinking to realize that people would use this big new technology to get content. If the **AA had thrown half as much energy and money at the problem of coming up with a decent distribution network/model that works via the internet, they could have beaten the pirates in a big way early on. As it is, they've allowed the pirates to come up with an easier way for people to get their content. I think they kind of missed the bus. They're struggling, but if they want to put an end to piracy in a big way, then they're going to need to come up with a distribution method that makes it easier for joe content user to get to and use. I truly believe that if it's easier, then enough people will pay for it to make it worth the content creator's investment.

    12. Re:Where do I sign up? by spiffyman · · Score: 2, Informative

      The distinction's not as clear as you seem to think. With the iTunes/FP setup, I install media, know my options with regard to said media, and I choose to continue using the software regulating those rights.

      Sony's solution", however, meant I didn't get to know my options, didn't get to make any decisions regarding what went on my box, etc.

      There's a clear contrast, and an important one, as far as I'm concerned. With one, I'm fully aware of what's happening - even if I disagree with it - while with the other I'm duped for just attempting to play a CD.

      Now, I don't know if you really wanted to compare FairPlay to this defunct service, but it's a no-brainer to me. As long as I keep a local copy of my AAC files & iTunes (or de-FairPlayed AAC files and any of a number of options) I get to keep listening to my music. Connect managed to come through with instructions on how to avoid the fate that customers of other fee-based services have endured, but why go with such a service in the first place? Gimme a local copy any time.

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    13. Re:Where do I sign up? by An.+(Coward) · · Score: 5, Funny

      Maybe you and all your friends should march into the nearest Apple store and take turns spending hours harassing the Geniuses there about Apple's DRM policies so that all the regular customers get so sick of waiting for assistance that they go home and build Linux boxes.

    14. Re:Where do I sign up? by moosesocks · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ok. Name a *less* intrusive DRM system.

      Honestly, it sounds like it's the only DRM system you've used.

      Apple didn't want to buy into Microsoft's DRM standard. What would you have proposed that they did instead?

      Also, what "software that you didn't want" does it install? Complaining about iTunes installing Quicktime is like complaining about the VLC Player installing the VLC Libraries. (No, iTunes and Quicktime for Windows aren't as good as they could be. Still, things could be a lot worse)

      We need some sort of standardized, cross-platform system for DRM. Sadly, it's going to be a reality that we have to deal with. We might as well make the best of it. For now, Apple's system isn't terribly bad.

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    15. Re:Where do I sign up? by aztracker1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yeah, that's why since iTMS has been up, more people are buying their music opposed to using p2p networks to grab it.

      The fact is, most people will buy something if it works, is cheap and convenient enough. The fact is, charging as much for a DVD copy for a sub-dvd quality, and none of the extras is BS... If you got at least DVD quality, and had the program ability to burn the movie to a DVD, then that would probably sway a few.. charge 25% less than the hardcopy DVD with those features, and sales would probably go very well...

      Me, I go to the movies about 2-3x a month. I don't watch too many shows, and usually DVR those I do watch. The series I like, I buy on DVD... I spend maybe $500-1000 USD a year on DVDs... This has been a bit less this past year since DVD series have been going down in price. Do I do torrents of these same series? yes.. why, because ripping/re-encoding takes time, and it's sometimes just easier to download it already done. Why? because I have an MCE computer in my living room, and like to just choose a movie without fussing with disks.

      Once people can get a hardware player that hooks to their TV with 1TB+ of drive space, for
      The trouble with DRM is you are stuck with whatever scheme is in place for checking the DRM... if it relies on a 3rd party service to validate, what happens in 5-10 years, or if the service goes out of business. DRM'd media won't work in the long run. It pisses customers off, and pissed off customers == lost future sales.

      I still have yet to buy anything from Sony in several years now after the CD DRM crap they pulled... I don't buy/play games with DRM after the BS of trying to get some of them to even install. I put my money where my mouth is, and don't buy the crap. I was about ready to buy an HD-DVD player when the pricing approaced $200, but then Sony got some MPAA and other movie execs laid or something and the bottom fell out...

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    16. Re:Where do I sign up? by znerk · · Score: 3, Informative

      Otherwise, you might as well ban ski masks because so many robbers and terrorists use them.

      Actually, it's my understanding that you are not allowed to wear ski masks inside public places, nor at public demonstrations... for precisely these reasons. About 10 years ago, I was accosted by a convenience store clerk as I entered the store, and told that I had to remove my ski mask or they would call the police. It was approximately 20 degrees Farenheit outside, and this was before the 9/11 fiasco.

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    17. Re:Where do I sign up? by smoker2 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I have a plan - you may not like it, but hear me out.

      First, we decide on a figure that each internet user can reasonably afford to pay once.
      Then using the ISPs, all that cash gets collected and held in escrow.
      Our representative meets with the *IAA and offers them the deal:

      1. They agree to drop all cases pending and in progress.
      2. They must agree to a change in the law that prevents the future copyright liability of private individuals.
      3. When and only when the modified law is in effect, they get the money.

      I don't know how many individual ISP accounts there are in either the US or EU, but suffice to say, it would be a fairly large amount. And if they turn the deal down, we get our money back (with accrued interest).
      I can't see them being able to resist that big fat pile of cash for too long, can you ?
      We could be even more generous and give them a month to think about it (providing they drop all current cases) which gives them time to come up with a new business model. And if you think 1 month is too short, tough. You've had plenty of time already.

    18. Re:Where do I sign up? by ColaMan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I was accosted by a convenience store clerk as I entered the store, and told that I had to remove my ski mask or they would call the police.

      Having no idea on the current 1984-esque laws in the US at the moment, from an Australian point of view I can only point out that that is a "store policy" only. It's a far cry from "public places".

      To use a bit of Political Correctness (spit) against The Man, one can simply say,"but what about Muslim women and their full-body, face-covering burkhas and veils? Surely you're not discriminating against them, are you? Tsk-Tsk. Maybe I should call a few people in the press."

      They'll be backpedalling before you can say "Anti-discrimination Comission"

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  2. Confused? by mseidl · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yes, because whenever I'm downloading movies, I'm always confused where I should insert the quarters...

    As it turns out, the floppy drive isn't such a good idea.

  3. This makes sense. by evanbd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One reason many people commit copyright infringement of movies is because the p2p programs provide a simpler, faster way to find what you're looking for, all from a central location. If this really indexes everything available, and is quick and simple to use, I think it might actually see significant use.

    Obviously it won't stop all infringement, but it's a much saner response than suing your customers.

    1. Re:This makes sense. by garcia · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Obviously it won't stop all infringement, but it's a much saner response than suing your customers.

      Woah, wait a minute there tiger! They never said they were going to stop suing their customers, nope. All they said was that they were going to setup a site that will rank poorly on Google and will likely be poorly designed so that they can say that they are providing a service to their customers that those customers say they want.

      A sane response would be to provide DRM and commercial free media to your customers that are filled with quality content (holy fucking God Almighty in heaven, I know, crazy right?!) While I haven't seen anything except the leaked first 6 minutes of the Dark Knight, those 6 minutes were decent enough for me to be interested in the film -- the first time I have had any interest in a MPAA released film in quite some time.

    2. Re:This makes sense. by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Exactly. Look at what happened when iTunes gave people a legitimate service that was easy to use where they could get their music online. Yes, there were a few around before that, but none were as braindead simple to use as the ITMS.

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    3. Re:This makes sense. by Cor-cor · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Actually, it seems to me like the MPAA's been taking the saner approach all along.

      Every time I hear about the RIAA, they're suing someone new or getting another judgment handed down. Every time I hear about the MPAA, they're trying something new - online services like streaming shows and the whole Netflix thing, "educational" (threatening) letters, or a summer which, in my opinion, has been filled with an unreasonably high number of decent films.

      I'm not saying they've gotten things perfect, but it at least looks like they're trying, and it would be nice if people recognize that and throw a noticeable amount of support their way in response. That way, they can see that the evil haX0rs aren't out to get them and the public really is willing to work with them. Because the alternative is that they recognize the RIAA's "bite the hand that feeds you" campaign is turning more of a profit through settlements and go that route. Maybe I've missed news stories where the MPAA does the same thing, but for the sake of not moving to Canada I'd like to think not. It's cold up there. And filled with Canadians.

      The flipside of that, of course, is to let the RIAA know how we feel about their strategy. For example, I recently got fed up with them and opened an e-music account. I know there are other sites but I'm a little hooked on this one, you know how it is. It seems to have everything we want straight from a wish list (reasonably priced quality songs without DRM and no RIAA). Like I've seen a lot with similar posts, I missed some of the bigger name bands and it's a little harder to find what I want, but I've also heard that if that sort of thing deters you they take your geek license on the spot.

      So yeah, I guess my point here is look around, and use the language they under$tand to tell the *AAs what you like (or don't). That's the only way things will really get better. If you only hide behind "extra features" of illegal services to justify breaking the law, well, sorry to say but they probably are justified in suing that attitude out of you. But if you are willing to support those features, they might actually get implemented. Because, in the immortal words of Peter Griffin, "Black or white, the only color that really matters is green." And I'll continue to watch Family Guy as long as they don't sue me for the $0.02 of whatever I just stole there.

  4. Fine print by poetmatt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Watch out for the fine print for one, and two this is a press release equivalent.

    This is an "ohhh, sure, we're going to do this" followed by a "well, not enough people followed it, so we're dropping it". That or it will be DRM laden enough that it's a flaming piece of turd. This is a complete unsubstantiated claim by the MPAA right now.

    I wouldn't be surprised if they simply restore that one download site they created before that was dropped...maybe someone else remembers the name. The day MPAA offers "legit online downloads" means the day they accept piracy.

  5. Confusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Confusion - that is how I will plead.

  6. Your search... by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Batman thepiratebay torrent" did not yield any results.

  7. Paranoia or legit concern? by Exanon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Is it just me being paranoid or have I learned my lesson from the whole MediaSentry debacle?

    The ability for MPAA to log your IP and your search query gives them a precise target to look for in whatever data they collect from various filesharing networks (with the help of either MediaSentry or someone else).

    I know I am sounding paranoid, but at this point I would not be surprised.

  8. Easy Fix by Renraku · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How about they link us to fairly priced movies?

    Fuck paying DVD prices for a crappy quality movie you can't burn to your own DVD. You get no packaging, no extra materials, no DVD, nothing except for the movie file itself. All for the same price. Wal-Mart is a few minutes down the road and if I catch them on a sale, the WM version can be cheaper than the online version!

    If the download version were quite a bit cheaper than the real version, hell, I'd do that before I bought the movie most likely.

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  9. Not that aweful of an idea IMO. by RingDev · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A year ago I was working on a PDA based Media PC controller. I could, from work, on my wifi-enabled PDA, pull up the week's line up for all of my local cable channels, set up reminders, flag shows for recording, change the media PC's channel, start up DVD's, change the volume, etc... on the media PC sitting in my living room.

    But what I really wanted was a reliable and LEGAL way to download content. Sure, I'll pay $3 to rent a movie with a 72-hour DRM on it. Heck, I used to pay $3-5 to rent movies off of Charter's on demand system. If a movie is worth watching twice, I'll go buy it, if not, I'll rent it for a night, enjoy the show, and not clutter up my house with yet another DVD that I'm not going to watch. I'm fine with that, so long as it plays with out difficulty, and allows ample time to see the movie. But, at the time, there was no functional way to achieve this.

    If this new service offers that opportunity, even if it is just a standardized public listing, I'm all for it. Open up an API and let us integrate it into other systems.

    -Rick

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    1. Re:Not that aweful of an idea IMO. by langelgjm · · Score: 2, Informative

      A year ago I was working on a PDA based Media PC controller. I could, from work, on my wifi-enabled PDA, pull up the week's line up for all of my local cable channels, set up reminders, flag shows for recording, change the media PC's channel, start up DVD's, change the volume, etc... on the media PC sitting in my living room.

      For anyone who's interesting in doing this for themselves, check out MythTV. You can log into a web interface and see your lineup, schedule recordings, etc. There's also a web-based remote, so you can sit on the couch with your PDA and use it to change channels over Wifi.

      Plus, if you're using it to record stuff from your cable connection, there's nothing illegal about it. At least, not yet.

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  10. Nonono, MPAA, you got it all wrong by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People don't download copies of movies because they're free, but because they're free.

    When you get a download from a P2P network, you get no DRM, no country restriction, no copy restriction, no media restriction, no troubles, no fuss, just a movie.

    When you buy a movie, there's a chance that your player won't read it (because it's a DVD-Rom drive instead of a standalone player, which I don't have and don't see any reason to get), a near certainty that you can't put the movie on your server (which makes it much more convenient to play than to search for the DVD every time you want to play it), a good chance that a "foreign" movie gives you some headaches and no chance to put it on your mobile device (and for some odd reason, I don't see the reason to pay twice for content).

    Here's your reason for copying. It's convenience, that's all. Care to tell me how I should explain people to pay for something AND have more hassle using it?

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    1. Re:Nonono, MPAA, you got it all wrong by diodeus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, and you're not forced to sit through *^&%$#@ non-skippable previews.

    2. Re:Nonono, MPAA, you got it all wrong by jedidiah · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I wish I could take my Tivo remote to the cinema and use the 30-skip button to skip all the crap before the movie...

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  11. We're just not explaining it right. by mcmonkey · · Score: 2, Funny

    This is one of those debates I find fun because pretty much everyone is wrong. If you're getting something for free that you normally have to pay for, how is that not illegal?

    It's like the pennies in the tray at the cash register...

  12. Oblig... by halsver · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's a trap!

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  13. Trouble differentiating between legal and illegal. by eiapoce · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Because their research showed 'many users have a hard time differentiating between legal and illegal content online.

    I have this problem everytime. It's hard for me to discriminate between a DVD rent at 4$ and a DRMed download at 9.99$ and still come out believing it's not a plain robbery. Good MPAA that's the way to go...

  14. Re:Be a little more positive, assholes! by andrewd18 · · Score: 2

    Because right now, _I_ wouldnt know where to to buy movie ***** if i felt like it.

    There's this great new invention called a "store" that you can use to purchase goods and services you might not be able to find otherwise. I hear these "stores" are growing in popularity these days due to their quick access times from local mirrors. You can find a list of local mirrors at this page: http://maps.google.com.

  15. It's not entirely wrong... by Bones3D_mac · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A couple weeks ago, a relative wanted me to download about 40 songs for free using one of the P2P services to be burned onto CDs. After explaining to them that obtaining songs this way would be a great way to get sued and showing them iTunes Music Store as an alternative, they got upset about the fact that it would cost them money to obtain same the music they could find for free elsewhere.

    The mindset here, is that if it were illegal to obtain copyrighted materials for free from a P2P service, then why are these services allowed to host the files in the first place? They don't comprehend the dynamic nature of P2P networks that makes it nearly impossible to shut down such a service or impose any content enforcement on it. They just see P2P services as a single entity that exists at a fixed location in the real world.

    What's more interesting, is that the older a given person is, the more likely they are to have similar hang-ups, simply because they aren't savvy enough to see it any other way.

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  16. Well... by Tastecicles · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...I never knew what to do with all those pesky plastic discs.

    SKEET!

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