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MPAA Plans To Launch Movie Links Site

eldavojohn writes "To combat piracy, the MPAA's latest idea involves a site that would allow users to search for a movie and then provide links to legit legal downloads or ticket purchases for it. Why are they doing this? Because their research showed 'many users have a hard time differentiating between legal and illegal content online.' And all this time I thought people pirated movies because it was cheaper to do! Turns out they were just confused."

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  1. Where do I sign up? by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Normally, I would pirate a movie because it's free, has no DRM, and is available at any time (even while the movie is still playing in theaters). Then when it came out on DVD or Blu-ray later, I would buy it and give the filmmaker their fair cut (I'm not not looking to rip them off, I just want a copy of the movie to play at home).

    But now that the MPAA has given me a chance to pay money to download from a piss-poor selection of movies that are all crippled by DRM, all I can say is "Thank God!" I mean, what I really want is a poor quality copy of a movie that requires me to connect to the internet and get the studio okay every time I watch it, won't let me make copies or share it with friends, and costs just as much as if I went and bought it on DVD (with the added bonus of none of the DVD extra content).

    Yep, the MPAA finally gets it!

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    1. Re:Where do I sign up? by spiffyman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      FTFA:the site "could include links to Fandango, Movietickets.com, Amazon, Netflix, iTunes, Xbox Live Video, Hulu, and more."

      What part of that sounds like a "piss-poor selection" of "crippled" flicks? Fandango and Movietickets, at least, aren't exactly DRM purveyors. And Apple's DRM is one of the least onerous options out there, for "legit" viewing.

      Maybe I'm missing something, but I actually think this is a good move on the MPAA's part. I do want to know where I can get movies legally, and this could help increase competition - better for my bottom line. I'm not going to complain about what appears to be a sincere attempt to address consumers' needs.

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    2. Re:Where do I sign up? by arth1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, they'll use the lack of interest for this site as "evidence" that people are only interested in ripping them off and getting things for free.
      Hanlon's razor to the contrary, I think this was deliberately planned to fail, to be used as ammunition for swaying the lawmakers.
      The RIAA will submit their own interpretation of why it failed. That it was designed to be cumbersome to make it fail won't be grokked by politicians.

    3. Re:Where do I sign up? by arth1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And Apple's DRM is one of the least onerous options out there, for "legit" viewing.

      Huh? Which universe are you in? In my universe, Apple requires specific software to be installed on my machine -- software that takes over system functions, and even downloads other software that I don't want, which in turn takes over more of the system. It's the most intrusive DRM system I've ever seen.

    4. Re:Where do I sign up? by Moryath · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Huh? Which universe are you in?

      I believe they call his universe "plantville."

      Or "Shillverse."

    5. Re:Where do I sign up? by spiffyman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I sometimes use them when I'm... oh... going to the theater

      Well, I didn't say anything about getting movies online legally. The fact is that this website should provide the sort of one-stop shop a lot of consumers look for. A similar response can be given to your "critiques" of each of these services.

      None of them are perfect, and I never claimed they were. But I think it's silly that those of us who have spent so much time lambasting the MPAA for its heavy-handed methods are now assailing them for providing a non-profit index of legal services. "Ooooooh! How eeeeeevil of the MPAA! Please don't inform me of where you'd like me to shop!"

      The iPod isn't the only device iTMS movies play on. Get your facts straight.

      If I thought for a minute it would help increase competition, maybe that would be a point. I don't.

      Ok. Here's some substantive disagreement. I think the fact that these sites are all linked on the same site will put them in direct competition with each other. If I want tickets, then I'll pick the site that charges less for reserving tickets. If I want a rental, I'll consider the price/benefit ratio of getting a movie tonight at X price vs. Wednesday at Y price, etc. I think that's pretty straightforward.

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    6. Re:Where do I sign up? by veganboyjosh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think you're close, but off the mark.

      I'd say most people download (illegally) because it's just easier. It's easier to find content via TPB than it is going to retail store xyz and finding a movie that's 2 years old. It's easier to get it in a format that works (Windows, Mac, Linux, etc). It's easier to deal with the files once you have them. (DRM, etc)

      It's easier to get for free from torrenttracker123 than it is to pay for it from netflix, amazon, or wherever. It's too bad for the **AA, too. If they had been even a little forward thinking to realize that people would use this big new technology to get content. If the **AA had thrown half as much energy and money at the problem of coming up with a decent distribution network/model that works via the internet, they could have beaten the pirates in a big way early on. As it is, they've allowed the pirates to come up with an easier way for people to get their content. I think they kind of missed the bus. They're struggling, but if they want to put an end to piracy in a big way, then they're going to need to come up with a distribution method that makes it easier for joe content user to get to and use. I truly believe that if it's easier, then enough people will pay for it to make it worth the content creator's investment.

    7. Re:Where do I sign up? by An.+(Coward) · · Score: 5, Funny

      Maybe you and all your friends should march into the nearest Apple store and take turns spending hours harassing the Geniuses there about Apple's DRM policies so that all the regular customers get so sick of waiting for assistance that they go home and build Linux boxes.

    8. Re:Where do I sign up? by aztracker1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yeah, that's why since iTMS has been up, more people are buying their music opposed to using p2p networks to grab it.

      The fact is, most people will buy something if it works, is cheap and convenient enough. The fact is, charging as much for a DVD copy for a sub-dvd quality, and none of the extras is BS... If you got at least DVD quality, and had the program ability to burn the movie to a DVD, then that would probably sway a few.. charge 25% less than the hardcopy DVD with those features, and sales would probably go very well...

      Me, I go to the movies about 2-3x a month. I don't watch too many shows, and usually DVR those I do watch. The series I like, I buy on DVD... I spend maybe $500-1000 USD a year on DVDs... This has been a bit less this past year since DVD series have been going down in price. Do I do torrents of these same series? yes.. why, because ripping/re-encoding takes time, and it's sometimes just easier to download it already done. Why? because I have an MCE computer in my living room, and like to just choose a movie without fussing with disks.

      Once people can get a hardware player that hooks to their TV with 1TB+ of drive space, for
      The trouble with DRM is you are stuck with whatever scheme is in place for checking the DRM... if it relies on a 3rd party service to validate, what happens in 5-10 years, or if the service goes out of business. DRM'd media won't work in the long run. It pisses customers off, and pissed off customers == lost future sales.

      I still have yet to buy anything from Sony in several years now after the CD DRM crap they pulled... I don't buy/play games with DRM after the BS of trying to get some of them to even install. I put my money where my mouth is, and don't buy the crap. I was about ready to buy an HD-DVD player when the pricing approaced $200, but then Sony got some MPAA and other movie execs laid or something and the bottom fell out...

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  2. Confused? by mseidl · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yes, because whenever I'm downloading movies, I'm always confused where I should insert the quarters...

    As it turns out, the floppy drive isn't such a good idea.

  3. This makes sense. by evanbd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One reason many people commit copyright infringement of movies is because the p2p programs provide a simpler, faster way to find what you're looking for, all from a central location. If this really indexes everything available, and is quick and simple to use, I think it might actually see significant use.

    Obviously it won't stop all infringement, but it's a much saner response than suing your customers.

    1. Re:This makes sense. by garcia · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Obviously it won't stop all infringement, but it's a much saner response than suing your customers.

      Woah, wait a minute there tiger! They never said they were going to stop suing their customers, nope. All they said was that they were going to setup a site that will rank poorly on Google and will likely be poorly designed so that they can say that they are providing a service to their customers that those customers say they want.

      A sane response would be to provide DRM and commercial free media to your customers that are filled with quality content (holy fucking God Almighty in heaven, I know, crazy right?!) While I haven't seen anything except the leaked first 6 minutes of the Dark Knight, those 6 minutes were decent enough for me to be interested in the film -- the first time I have had any interest in a MPAA released film in quite some time.

  4. Fine print by poetmatt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Watch out for the fine print for one, and two this is a press release equivalent.

    This is an "ohhh, sure, we're going to do this" followed by a "well, not enough people followed it, so we're dropping it". That or it will be DRM laden enough that it's a flaming piece of turd. This is a complete unsubstantiated claim by the MPAA right now.

    I wouldn't be surprised if they simply restore that one download site they created before that was dropped...maybe someone else remembers the name. The day MPAA offers "legit online downloads" means the day they accept piracy.

  5. Your search... by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Batman thepiratebay torrent" did not yield any results.

  6. Paranoia or legit concern? by Exanon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Is it just me being paranoid or have I learned my lesson from the whole MediaSentry debacle?

    The ability for MPAA to log your IP and your search query gives them a precise target to look for in whatever data they collect from various filesharing networks (with the help of either MediaSentry or someone else).

    I know I am sounding paranoid, but at this point I would not be surprised.

  7. Easy Fix by Renraku · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How about they link us to fairly priced movies?

    Fuck paying DVD prices for a crappy quality movie you can't burn to your own DVD. You get no packaging, no extra materials, no DVD, nothing except for the movie file itself. All for the same price. Wal-Mart is a few minutes down the road and if I catch them on a sale, the WM version can be cheaper than the online version!

    If the download version were quite a bit cheaper than the real version, hell, I'd do that before I bought the movie most likely.

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  8. Not that aweful of an idea IMO. by RingDev · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A year ago I was working on a PDA based Media PC controller. I could, from work, on my wifi-enabled PDA, pull up the week's line up for all of my local cable channels, set up reminders, flag shows for recording, change the media PC's channel, start up DVD's, change the volume, etc... on the media PC sitting in my living room.

    But what I really wanted was a reliable and LEGAL way to download content. Sure, I'll pay $3 to rent a movie with a 72-hour DRM on it. Heck, I used to pay $3-5 to rent movies off of Charter's on demand system. If a movie is worth watching twice, I'll go buy it, if not, I'll rent it for a night, enjoy the show, and not clutter up my house with yet another DVD that I'm not going to watch. I'm fine with that, so long as it plays with out difficulty, and allows ample time to see the movie. But, at the time, there was no functional way to achieve this.

    If this new service offers that opportunity, even if it is just a standardized public listing, I'm all for it. Open up an API and let us integrate it into other systems.

    -Rick

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  9. Nonono, MPAA, you got it all wrong by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People don't download copies of movies because they're free, but because they're free.

    When you get a download from a P2P network, you get no DRM, no country restriction, no copy restriction, no media restriction, no troubles, no fuss, just a movie.

    When you buy a movie, there's a chance that your player won't read it (because it's a DVD-Rom drive instead of a standalone player, which I don't have and don't see any reason to get), a near certainty that you can't put the movie on your server (which makes it much more convenient to play than to search for the DVD every time you want to play it), a good chance that a "foreign" movie gives you some headaches and no chance to put it on your mobile device (and for some odd reason, I don't see the reason to pay twice for content).

    Here's your reason for copying. It's convenience, that's all. Care to tell me how I should explain people to pay for something AND have more hassle using it?

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    1. Re:Nonono, MPAA, you got it all wrong by diodeus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, and you're not forced to sit through *^&%$#@ non-skippable previews.