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Video Surveillance Tech Detects Abnormal Activity

Repton writes with news of a company, Behavioral Recognition Systems, that has received 16 patents on a new video surveillance application that can convert video images into machine-readable language, and then analyze them for anomalies that suggest suspicious behavior in the camera's field of view. The software can 'recognize' up to 300 objects and establish a baseline of activity. It should go on sale in September. "...the BRS Labs technology will likely create a fair number of false positives, [the CEO] concedes. 'We think a three-to-one ratio of alerts to actual events is what the market will accept,' he says. 'We could be wrong.'"

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  1. Cool by clang_jangle · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Great! Now, all they have to do is combine that with this, and we can all sleep soundly.

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    1. Re:Cool by Goldberg's+Pants · · Score: 1

      Funny, my thought on reading your comment was "If that isn't a link to ED-209 or similar, then they've failed."

      Well played.

    2. Re:Cool by roguetrick · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Abnormal activity for a machine like that would just be some guy wearing blue.

      Need a sentry here!

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    3. Re:Cool by phulegart · · Score: 1

      OMG dude.. haven't we learned anything from The Terminator?

      We've got http://www.skynetusa.com/ which makes switching power supply units, http://www.skynet.net/ air freight, and http://www.tntskynet.com/ Internet service.

      Power, the ability to travel globally, network and internet access... the only thing lacking was automated intelligent guns. And here they are.

      "If man can dream it, man can achieve it."

      We're doomed. Dooooooooooooooooooooooooooomed!

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    4. Re:Cool by Turiacus · · Score: 1

      This robot is for sissies. That's what we need: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyJ4Kn_-6nw&feature=related.

    5. Re:Cool by bdenton42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Great! Now, all they have to do is combine that with this, and we can all sleep soundly.

      With one of those I'd be a little afraid of that "three-to-one ratio of alerts to actual events"...

    6. Re:Cool by Scroatzilla · · Score: 1

      They did, at least cinematically. What could possibly go wrong?

  2. oh yeah? by ILuvRamen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If I walk past a security camera in a full sized squirrel outfit, humans couldn't even figure that one out let alone a computer. These systems are just dumb. Wait until computers are smart enough to talk with us to develop something like this otherwise it'll never be remotely accurate.

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    1. Re:oh yeah? by Cassius+Corodes · · Score: 5, Funny

      Computers are already smart enough to talk to us. They just don't have anything interesting to say.

      Why don't you try starting a conversation?

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    2. Re:oh yeah? by rugatero · · Score: 5, Funny

      Computers are already smart enough to talk to us.

      Do computers worry you ?

      They just don't have anything interesting to say.

      I'm not sure I understand you fully.

      Why don't you try starting a conversation?

      Do you believe I don't try starting a conversation ?

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    3. Re:oh yeah? by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

      It looks like you're trying to start a converstion. Would you like to:

      * Talk about sport.
      * Talk about politics.
      * Tell me how your day went.

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    4. Re:oh yeah? by Spokehedz · · Score: 2, Funny

      You forgot the last option:

      * Shut up, and get me a beer.

    5. Re:oh yeah? by Dancindan84 · · Score: 4, Funny
      We wouldn't want you having an unsecured conversation:

      You're trying to start a conversation with a computer.
      Cancel or Allow?

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    6. Re:oh yeah? by dintech · · Score: 2, Funny

      Your computer is already confused about whether it's talking to a man or a woman. That's not going to help.

    7. Re:oh yeah? by jafiwam · · Score: 1

      The computer is your friend.

    8. Re:oh yeah? by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 2, Funny

      At least you can have a semi-normal conversation with a Windows machine. I started talking to a Mac and all it did was smugly name a bunch of indie bands it likes that I have never heard of, and then chastised all of the bands I like as "being to mainstream".

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    9. Re:oh yeah? by Emperor+Zombie · · Score: 1

      Hmm... If this system analyzes objects to establish a baseline, perhaps we could swarm it with people in squirrel outfits and skew the baseline so that it flags anyone who is not a giant squirrel.

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    10. Re:oh yeah? by TravisO · · Score: 1

      I love you Dr Sbaitso.

  3. America, what a country! by frovingslosh · · Score: 5, Funny

    As long as the cops don't beat too many people too extremely for false positive behavior I can't see where this could be a problem. And Homeland Security is already working on getting some Executive Orders written up that will make it a crime to act in ways that cause false positives, so there should be no false positives in the near future (by definition they will be real positives). Problem solved.

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    1. Re:America, what a country! by frovingslosh · · Score: 1

      Right, as in the song "USA the Beautiful", right Oh Wise One?

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  4. But no DSP patents allowed by iliketrash · · Score: 1

    I hope they don't bet the company on these patents since, as was discussed on ./ less than 24 hours ago, software patents involving digital signals may be invalid. (The field is generally called Digital Signal Processing.)

  5. false positives by zobier · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While it's a worry how 1984 society is becoming, I don't think false positives are a particularly bad issue with this technology. An operator who would normally be supposed to watch multiple streams of video for anomalous activity can use these more like bookmarks for subsequent human verification. The bigger issue as I see it is that 16 new patents were just granted on software/algorithms.

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    1. Re:false positives by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      An operator who would normally be supposed to watch multiple streams of video for anomalous activity can use these more like bookmarks for subsequent human verification.

      Are you really going to rely on human beings to do, I don't...their job? These days, it seems we can't even seem rely on CEOs to do their jobs, let alone some twit watching a video camera all day. No, as usual, the higher-ups will assume, rightly so, that the barely-above-minimum-wage idiot that they hired to watch the video is too stupid to figure out what is a false positive and what is not and treat every single flag by the system as suspicious. You put way too much faith in your fellow man.

  6. My solution.. by Yoozer · · Score: 1

    I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes.

    1. Re:My solution.. by Secret+Rabbit · · Score: 1

      What? You're not already practised? You got a lot of catching up to do!

  7. There's an easy way to torpedo this... by Channard · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... when it first gets deployed - if it gets deployed - spread the word across the internet and get people to regularly silly walk past it and do other wierd but non threatening stuff. Hey presto, so many false positives it's rendered useless.

    1. Re:There's an easy way to torpedo this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I'd love to see those videos on youtube, then.

    2. Re:There's an easy way to torpedo this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think you may have hit on this company's real business plan.

    3. Re:There's an easy way to torpedo this... by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      With a 3:1 false positive ratio already, you wouldn't need to do anything out of the ordinary.

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    4. Re:There's an easy way to torpedo this... by Bugs42 · · Score: 1

      Walk without rhythm, and you won't attract the worm^H^H^H^H government?

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    5. Re:There's an easy way to torpedo this... by CeruleanDragon · · Score: 1

      That's not that easy. All those people must first apply for a license at the Ministry of Silly Walks. You know how expensive those licenses are? Crazy.

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  8. There's an easy way to deal with you... by frovingslosh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And you don't think that will soon be made illegal? You sure sound like a terrorist to me, to Gitmo with you!

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  9. HOWTO: guerilla PR for your startup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1. File a bunch of mumbo jumbo patents on video surveillance

    2. Convince some trade rag to interview your CEO

    3. Submit the story to /. as a clear and present danger to "Your Rights Online"

    4. ?

    5. Go public!

  10. grenade in mouth by globaljustin · · Score: 5, Informative

    I swear you must be a troll from Homeland Security...

    While it's a worry how 1984 society is becoming, I don't think false positives are a particularly bad issue with this technology

    That's like saying "Oh sure, it is worrisome that I have a live hand grenade with the pin pulled jammed in my mouth, but I don't think it would be extremely bad if it just blew off one of my pinky toes"

    This kind of technology makes me want riot...ahem...i mean...to exercise my 1st amendment right to protest in a law abiding way.

    I'm sickened. The CEO says: "We think a three-to-one ratio of alerts to actual events is what the market will accept."

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    1. Re:grenade in mouth by moteyalpha · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I wonder if this software would detect a positive for suspicious activity if it observed a lobbyist for the firm entering the office of a congressman with a hooker and a briefcase. It would seem that it would select for people who fly into the radar and as a result the actual complex threats would be ignored.

    2. Re:grenade in mouth by zobier · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I just don't think this is that big of a deal. I do think it will be extremely easy to game, e.g. flood it with FPs like the congestion charge cameras in the UK. It will be interesting to see what games people come up with.

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    3. Re:grenade in mouth by oodaloop · · Score: 1

      I'm not really sure what you're upset about. That a security guard at a camera has to look at an occasional false positive the computer recorded? What is your alternative? Someone staring at the camera 24 hours a day? No security?

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    4. Re:grenade in mouth by FlyingBishop · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In order for that to be suspicious, it would have to be an irregular event.

    5. Re:grenade in mouth by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      Because the congestion charge in London has been defeated in this way...?

    6. Re:grenade in mouth by globaljustin · · Score: 1

      false dichotomy..."either we have behavior monitoring cameras or we have nothing"

      c'mon man...depending on where you're talking about it can be a host of strategies. strategies that work. look 9/11 could have EASILY been prevented if screeners checked the damn No-fly list and detained the guys with FUCKING UTILITY KNIVES for some background checks and questioning.

      shoe bomber...hmmm guy with one way ticket and no luggage shabbily dressed and unkept...detain for questioning...don't need a damn bullshit 'behavior analysing computer' for that

      and YES...in some isolated instances, there really is very little we can do to be more secure...that's life...accept it

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    7. Re:grenade in mouth by zobier · · Score: 1
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  11. what a concidence by ya+really · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    I just was just viewing this right before logging onto slashdot and seeing this topic.

  12. Doesn't need to be all that accurate by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm sure everyone on Slashdot is donning their tinfoil hats and screaming big brother (I've already seen a couple posts to that effect) but that really isn't the target market. You'll find that by far the most customers of CCTV equipment are private companies. Pretty much any large store will have an extensive CCTV system to watch for shoplifting.

    Ok well the problem is that you have to have humans watching it for suspicious activity. It is completely infeasible to hire one human per camera, and the more cameras a given human has to watch, the less they catch. Well, something like this could help. If it sees something suspicious, it brings it up on a display to one of the security personnel. The person then decides if it is a problem, or a false alarm.

    A moderate amount of false alarms is fine. This wouldn't be a case of "The system went off, arrest him!" It'd be a case of "The system went off, let's have a human watch and see what's going on." It would allow for better use of security personnel.

    Heck, I'd be interested in a system like this at work. We have CCTV on our computer labs. However we don't have anyone monitoring it. It's more for liability reasons, and so that if someone steals or damages a computer, we can hopefully help the police catch them. However prevention is better than clean up. So it'd be cool if when the system thought something was wrong, it'd notify staff and we could look. If everything was fine, we carry on as normal. If something is indeed happening, we call the police.

    You've got to stop with the idea that these sort of things are designed to figure out what you are thinking for some evil government plan. They aren't. They are designed to help make security systems more effective.

    1. Re:Doesn't need to be all that accurate by shawb · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The ratio of false positives really shouldn't be that much of an issue if the system is implemented properly.

      A bigger issue with a system like this would be false negatives. Economics being what it is, this means that the organizations deploying these cameras would likely end up hiring less people to watch the monitors per camera (whether that means an increase in cameras or a decrease in staff.) Therefore, the people watching the monitors would end up relying on the system to look for suspicious behavior. Then false negatives start to come into play. "suspicious behavior" that a human would notice and investigate may be missed by the system, and therefore go uninvestigated. This could cause escalating problems when people decide to learn what behaviors would trigger a "suspicious" flag and then go about doing their nefarious deeds where a human could have spotted them.

      Sure, it would be possible to institute an automated suspicious behavior system to augment existing systems, but in reality it would end up taking away from resources used for security. Even if the system would not reduce security levels, a system such as this would at least reduce the future investment in other proven security methods, such as an increase of competent staff to watch the monitors.

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    2. Re:Doesn't need to be all that accurate by houghi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ideally this would just be a help. In reality people will take the word of the machine each and every time, because people are lazy. Evener heard the expression "Well, I looked it up and the computer tells me it is like that"? That is how most people relate to computers.

      So this will not only mean "search person X, because the computer tells us he is a thief". It will mean they keep searching till they find something. Can you think of places they might want to look?

      It also means that people will not pay attention anymore and as long as the thing doesn't beep, you can walk out of the store with that huge 100" screen.

      It will not only cause false positives, which are extremely annoying and bad for businness. It will also cause false negatives, earning people will still steal. Remember that these are not the people from CSI that are on the screens (Or even Las Vegas), these are real life, day to day people. These are the rent-a-cop that are unfit for walking around.

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    3. Re:Doesn't need to be all that accurate by Maelwryth · · Score: 1

      "You've got to stop with the idea that these sort of things are designed to figure out what you are thinking for some evil government plan. They aren't. They are designed to help make security systems more effective."

      Consider this. For years we have been medicating and locking up people who think that governments, and companies, are watching them under the diagnosis of mental illness. Now you are accepting that such measures need to become a reality.

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    4. Re:Doesn't need to be all that accurate by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Unless you have enough guards that everybody is being watched at all times, you'd have false negatives anyway. The idea is not to remove/replace human surveillance but to target it more effectively by focusing on the more suspicious people.

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    5. Re:Doesn't need to be all that accurate by Hognoxious · · Score: 2, Funny

      So this will not only mean "search person X, because the computer tells us he is a thief". It will mean they keep searching till they find something.

      I think your foil hat is too tight.

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    6. Re:Doesn't need to be all that accurate by RMH101 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem is that this tech leads to this: http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/148370/cctv_camera_identifies_people_by_race.html - a proof of concept art piece that identifies people's race via CCTV images. The creator's done this precisely to point out to people the logical end point of this tech.

    7. Re:Doesn't need to be all that accurate by TapeCutter · · Score: 3, Informative

      "A bigger issue with a system like this would be false negatives. Economics being what it is, this means that the organizations deploying these cameras would likely end up hiring less people to watch the monitors per camera (whether that means an increase in cameras or a decrease in staff.)"

      Stocktakes tell the store owner how much is being lost via theft. Economics being what it is, you can use this information to measure your security bang for buck and notice there is a point where diminishing returns makes eliminating the remaining false negatives a net loss. At this point your best option is to maintain the same level of risk aversion for less money. People who run large sets of cameras are the target market so IMHO the false negatives will be expected/ignored by the buyer, they (rational but non-technical bussiness buyers) will simply want to know what it all means for their bottom line.

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    8. Re:Doesn't need to be all that accurate by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

      A moderate amount of false alarms is fine. This wouldn't be a case of "The system went off, arrest him!" It'd be a case of "The system went off, let's have a human watch and see what's going on." It would allow for better use of security personnel.

      Exactly. At the moment a lot of CCTV systems have video switches that are triggered by PIR sensors in the area covered by the camera - what BRS are proposing sounds like a smarter way of doing this.

      I don't want to have to watch my CCTV monitors all the time. I'm only interested if there's someone or something in a place they shouldn't be.

    9. Re:Doesn't need to be all that accurate by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      Correction:

      This shouldn't be a case of "The system went off, arrest him!" It should be a case of "The system went off, let's have a human watch and see what's going on."
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      Even if things are originally intended to be used just to replace a human observer, there is always the danger of things changing in future (e.g., consider places that now ban hats/hoodies on the basis that you need to be visible for the CCTV cameras to identify you; yet CCTV was originally justified on the argument of "it's no different to anyone standing there and observing you in public").

    10. Re:Doesn't need to be all that accurate by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      They are designed to help make security systems more effective.

      Did you ever think that maybe security systems are already "effective" enough?

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    11. Re:Doesn't need to be all that accurate by kabocox · · Score: 1

      Heck, I'd be interested in a system like this at work. We have CCTV on our computer labs. However we don't have anyone monitoring it. It's more for liability reasons, and so that if someone steals or damages a computer, we can hopefully help the police catch them. However prevention is better than clean up. So it'd be cool if when the system thought something was wrong, it'd notify staff and we could look. If everything was fine, we carry on as normal. If something is indeed happening, we call the police.

      The killer app for this is those home 4 camera DVRs. If you could just run this magic app, and every "interesting" party or criminal activity was just listed and displayed you'd actually have a shot at catching things. This would really come in handy when we start sticking 1.5+ TB HD in those things, which isn't that far off.

    12. Re:Doesn't need to be all that accurate by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      Gullible Grape. Yesterday it was Believable Berry.

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    13. Re:Doesn't need to be all that accurate by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      "You've got to stop with the idea that these sort of things are designed to figure out what you are thinking for some evil government plan. They aren't. They are designed to help make security systems more effective."

      What a system is designed for and what a system is ultimately used for are two very different things. The road to hell is often paved with good intentions.

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    14. Re:Doesn't need to be all that accurate by oneTheory · · Score: 1

      And as with any automated system there will be those that learn it and game it. If some shoplifters learn the behaviors that trigger a false positive, then they could have a couple buddies launch a diversion, doing things that would cause a false positive but not really stealing, while a third actually steals something knowing the eyes in the sky won't be looking at them.

    15. Re:Doesn't need to be all that accurate by AmberBlackCat · · Score: 1

      I wonder if the camera's fuzzy logic is set to increase the confidence level if there's a lot of brown detected in the moving object.

    16. Re:Doesn't need to be all that accurate by jacks0n · · Score: 1

      Computers are magic to most users.

      They just believe the results they spit out uncritically.

      I've seen this behavior in groups you wouldn't believe could possibly be that dumb.

    17. Re:Doesn't need to be all that accurate by shawb · · Score: 1

      The ratio of false positives really shouldn't be that much of an issue if the system is implemented properly.

      This is a very difficult AI problem, so it takes a lot more than just software engineering to get it right.

      Sorry... I was a little vague there. By "implemented properly" I was referring to how situations are dealt with once the system flags a positive, whether false or true. I assume the baseline procedure is that a human then checks the recorded event to see if this is something that warrants investigation, which would most likely help in situations where there would have previously been security personnel watching a monitor. This would indeed create higher security when a flag is raised as it helps to draw attention to the situation. Implemented (being software, hardware and meatware) properly AI would be a net benefit to an already robust security system. I'm only saying this would become a problem if organizations begin to rely too heavily on the software raising a flag that suspicious activity may be occurring, as a person bent on breaking the security would likely be able to learn methods to avoid triggering the software flag.

      Hmm... I guess my posts sound a little 1984ish in support of security. My philosophy on technology like this is that it the monitoring allowed is only a tool with no moral weight in and of itself. Abuses of the monitoring would only be committed by people misusing the tools. Security personnel using the system would have to have an understanding of the sorts of false positives the system can report and it would be their responsibility to make sure that appropriate actions are taken once a flag is raise... even if that action is simply inaction. This system can and probably will be used by draconian organizations to exert draconian levels of control, but without some level of security nobodies freedoms can be guaranteed. Implementing proper solutions to the problem of security is a human problem, not a technological one (although technology will always expand the number of options available for hopefully a good balance.)

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    18. Re:Doesn't need to be all that accurate by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Well, well, well... Flamebait? Right?

      Okay, I invite you. Yeah... like in REALITY... Really!

      Then we go to Yugoslavia and we'll see if you act like this when some ex-war-prisoner tells you his stories.

      Assholes. Really. (Not an insult, because it's true.)

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  13. How Good Is The AI? by strelitsa · · Score: 2

    As noted in TFA and if the false positive ratio can be reduced to even 10-to-1, this technology might rapidly become the best friend of the fellow who has to constantly scan 100 surveillance screens for unusual activity.

    But this system's definition of "unusual activity" intrigues me. If one of these toys is set up for example in a bank to monitor a vault door and a bank guard passes by the door every hour on his rounds, the software would presumably record that as "normal" activity. What is the "unusual" element that would prod the AI into sending an alert if a thief did exactly the same thing? What dynamic does the system employ to determine if a bank guard is a legitimate bank guard or Willie Sutton? The time it happened? Facial recognition? The fact that the "bank guard" pulled a cutting torch or dynamite out of his backpack and started going to town on the vault door?

    Could the system be configured to send an alert when an expected activity didn't occur such as a bank guard or jailer missing one of his rounds?

    Its difficult to imagine this system being used in any sort of serious anti-shoplifting capability in a retail setting. Would the AI be able to tell the difference between a customer picking up an iPod to look at the fine print on the box and a shoplifter shoving the iPod under his shirt? Would the system alert on me if I innocently tucked in my shirttail while walking down an aisle? As always, the devil is in the details.

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    1. Re:How Good Is The AI? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      But this system's definition of "unusual activity" intrigues me. If one of these toys is set up for example in a bank to monitor a vault door and a bank guard passes by the door every hour on his rounds, the software would presumably record that as "normal" activity. What is the "unusual" element that would prod the AI into sending an alert if a thief did exactly the same thing? What dynamic does the system employ to determine if a bank guard is a legitimate bank guard or Willie Sutton? The time it happened? Facial recognition? The fact that the "bank guard" pulled a cutting torch or dynamite out of his backpack and started going to town on the vault door?

      Maybe it flags people who hide their face from the camera.

  14. Ghosts? by denzacar · · Score: 1

    Does it detect ghosts?

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    1. Re:Ghosts? by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      How about UFOs?

      Bigfoot? Unicorns? Sasquatch? Leprechauns? Phoenix?

      Chupathingy?

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  15. Don't fret by ilovegeorgebush · · Score: 1

    UK citizens are safe in the knowledge that they're being watched. That's it citizen, keep moving. Nothing to see here.

    Ignoring the Orwellian references, could this be used for some good?

    1. Re:Don't fret by rugatero · · Score: 2, Insightful

      UK citizens are safe in the knowledge that they're being watched.

      That poster is no one-off either. After it became fashionable to compare everything to 1984 the Government agencies realised they could play on people's paranoia. Hence the 'watchful eyes' poster, the targeting benefit fraud campaign and the warning to car tax evaders ("You can't escape the DVLA computer").

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  16. "Abnormal Activity" by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Abnormal activity? You mean like a slashdotter outside, in the sun, with a date?
             

    1. Re:"Abnormal Activity" by lena_10326 · · Score: 2, Funny

      One must not let the slashdotter near bright light, especially sunlight, which can kill the slashdotter; one must not get water on the slashdotter; and, most importantly, one must never feed it after midnight.

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    2. Re:"Abnormal Activity" by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      I hope it validates the inputs to the abnormality calculation function or it'll get a divide-by-zero error and crash when it sees that.

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  17. Acceptance by Exanon · · Score: 1

    Sure, the market might accept a three-to-one failure rate. But what about the 3 guys who get locked up in a DHS holding cell, get waterboarded and then released without any means of setting the record straight just because they were lost in a shopping mall with a cakebox in their hands?

    1. Re:Acceptance by oodaloop · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Jebus, what imaginations you people have. Who the hell is talking about arresting the false positives? There's a HUMAN IN THE LOOP. Someone is watching the alerts, which means innocent behavior gets discarded before the police show up. Fucking relax.

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    2. Re:Acceptance by Aladrin · · Score: 1

      There wasn't even a mention of police. There was a -former- SS guy, who is not an 'IT consultant' that made 1 statement.

      Someone else said it earlier: The main customer for this is private businesses, not the government.

      And if we were going to protest private businesses monitoring us, that milestone was passed long ago. If you don't want to be monitored by a computer, don't shop at a retail store. Period.

      Personally, I'm just not worried about it. I don't steal, and if some store accused me of it, I'd happily just never shop there again. (Best Buy once told me not to take pictures in their store because 'loss prevention' told them so... I've never been back to that store again. More like 'gain prevention' than 'loss'.)

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  18. Abnormally this: by Fluffeh · · Score: 4, Funny

    Machine: Uh oh, Jeremy stoped sticking his finger into his nose. I better call this one in!
    Operator: Ummm... Why has it shown me Jeremy just sitting there?
    Machine: Nope, there he goes again, digging away at his nose, everything back to normal. Better stop transmitting.
    ...
    Machine: Whoa, he stopping barking for boogers again! Better show the boss!!
    Operator: Why does this dumbass machine keep showing me Jeremy just sitting there for goodness sake...
    Machine: Boss! Boss! Come on, look! DIFFERENT! ABNORMAL!
    Operator: *Hmmm what's for lunch...*

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  19. bad headline by Triv · · Score: 1

    Anyone else read that as "Video Surveillance TechNICIAN Detects Abnormal Activity"? I was confused for a bit.

  20. And for epic fail... by PotatoFiend · · Score: 1

    If I walk past a security camera in a full sized squirrel outfit, humans couldn't even figure that one out let alone a computer.

    Imagine deploying this system at a furry convention.

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    1. Re:And for epic fail... by ya+really · · Score: 4, Funny

      If I walk past a security camera in a full sized squirrel outfit, humans couldn't even figure that one out let alone a computer.

      Imagine deploying this system at a furry convention.

      I'd guess the cameras would most likely be programmed to identify the subject(s) as mentally disturbed, but most likely harmless.

    2. Re:And for epic fail... by nizo · · Score: 1

      If this was plugged into nearby billboards (like in Minority Report), wearing the costume through the metro would be worth it just to see people freak out over the ads for furry porn.

  21. A ratio of three-to-one false alarms?! by misterhypno · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If that's what they're shooting for, then I have a name for the system:

    Cry Wolf!

    Because, that's all it's really going to do!

    Heaven help any street performer that gets caught by this video frankenstein's monster, because the cops will, in some jurisdictions, come in blasting away and a mime is a terrible thing to waste!

    1. Re:A ratio of three-to-one false alarms?! by oodaloop · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The ratio is 3-1 alerts to false alarms. That is, 4 events, three of which are real and one a false positive. Given the real events for which security personnel are going to be looking (mugging, rape, vandalism, etc), it would quite a while before 4 total events come to pass and only one of those was a false alarm. I would not call that crying wolf.

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    2. Re:A ratio of three-to-one false alarms?! by noidentity · · Score: 1

      The ratio is 3-1 alerts to false alarms. That is, 4 events, three of which are real and one a false positive. Given the real events for which security personnel are going to be looking (mugging, rape, vandalism, etc), it would quite a while before 4 total events come to pass and only one of those was a false alarm. I would not call that crying wolf.

      This has to depend on how often genuine events occur. For example, if they never occur, every alert will be a false positive. Obviously it wouldn't be deployed where no events ever occur, but this does show that the rate depends on the mix of actual events occurring.

    3. Re:A ratio of three-to-one false alarms?! by diqrtvpe · · Score: 1

      Actually, from the quote of the CEO, the ratio is 3:1 "alerts to actual events," so 4 events, three of which are false positives and one of which is real. I would think that, as posters further up have discussed, one large deployment area for these would be in retail, to catch shoplifters, where the number of events is possibly quite high indeed. But even for the events you discuss, taking rape as an example, if the technology keeps on throwing out false positives just because couples keep snogging in its field of view, then the GP's point about crying wolf might well be valid.

    4. Re:A ratio of three-to-one false alarms?! by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      The ratio is 3-1 alerts to false alarms

      From the article:

      We think a three-to-one ratio of alerts to actual events is what the market will accept, he says.

      I read that as three alerts, only one of which is an "actual event". It could still be useful if applied properly, of course.

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    5. Re:A ratio of three-to-one false alarms?! by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      As long as the cops are using silencers, that is the only proper way.

      I disagree:

      [coming down from quicksilver madness]
      Darien Fawkes: There was a mime. I beat the Hell out of a mime. What happened to him? Is he okay?
      Robert Hobbes: Relax. He did not recover.
      Darien Fawkes: Thank God!

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  22. Technically impossible by Potatomasher · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I call shenanigans on this.

    There is no way they can recognize 300 objects in real world conditions. I work in machine learning (academics) and the current record for generic object recognition sits at around 54-57% for the Caltech 101 database (contains images of 101 different objects). So basically the algorithms of the best and brightest minds in academia (LeCun, Poggio, Lowe, etc) get it wrong half the time !!

    If any government officials are listening... Please don't waste our tax money on this !

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    1. Re:Technically impossible by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      Perhaps this is less generic though. I'm sure differentiation of say a motorbike, a car, a human, and a tree is a lot easier than a ball, a plate, and another generally round object.

    2. Re:Technically impossible by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      If any government officials are listening...

      They're not.

  23. Re:Technically impossible... by JetScootr · · Score: 1

    Consider the 1970s era jet fighter Phantom II F-4. The leading edge of the wing required an extender to help it pull out of dives. The outboard wingends required an upward angle to stop flat spins. During development, the fuselage design was expanded to accommodate the fuel tanks the beast would need, and provision was made for up to three under-wing external fuel tanks. The nose had to be extended to make room for the combat radar defined in the original requirements.
    And it had to fly with 4 degree nose-up pitch to maintain level flight.
    When I worked on this ugly bird in the 1980s, we said it was actual proof that if you put engines big enough on anything, you can make it fly.
    In all likelihood, that's what's gonna happen with all the gov't facial and behavioral "recognition" systems that are under development. They'll pour billions into development, and wait for the computing horsepower to catch up and make it possible to achieve "3-1 false positives" (25% ???). It'll be a monster, but they'll be able to claim "mission accomplished".

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  24. Nose pick alert! Nose pick alert! by blankoboy · · Score: 1

    Great so now we'll all have to watch our basic movements and how close together we have certain objects. The future of freedom is looking so wonderful. Sigh....

  25. Re:One out of four ain't bad by JetScootr · · Score: 1

    "I would call terrorists (caught in direct action against U.S. troops"
    Direct actions against soldiers invading a country is normally done by patriots and allies of the patriots, not terrorists.
    The US employs snipers in Iraq also - are they terrorists by your definition?
    US munitions companies make bombs that are dropped from planes in Iraq - are they terrorists, too?
    Remember, the US president carried out the invasion of soveriegn nation recognized by the United Nations, overthrew its government and installed its own "friendly" government (despite elections, it is still a US-installed government).
    All this occurred without Congress declaring war as required by the US Constitution and arguably in violation of the Presidential War Powers Act. Any characterizations of events and people in Iraq by the US gov't is highly suspect, to say the least.

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  26. Unusual is abnormal by jibjibjib · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To the fool who tagged this 'unusualisnotabnormal':

    You're wrong. Unusual and abnormal mean essentially the same thing - something out of the ordinary, something not routine.

    If the point you were trying to make is that authorities shouldn't be suspicious of every unusual occurrence, then perhaps something like 'unusualisnotwrong' would have better served your purpose.

    1. Re:Unusual is abnormal by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      And that sort of thing is part of the reason why I disabled tags in my preferences - for every one good, useful tag there are half a dozen or more stupid, useless or just plain wrong ones.

    2. Re:Unusual is abnormal by Vegeta99 · · Score: 1

      No, he's right.

      It's unusual, but sometimes geysers spray water in the air.

      It's abnormal that Old Faithful no longer sprays at one-hour intervals.

      It's unusual, but normal for February to have a number of days other than 28.

    3. Re:Unusual is abnormal by Gage+With+Union · · Score: 1

      They may be literally close, but they can have different contextual meanings. Would you rather be considered an unusual or an abnormal person? Most people would probably prefer unusual as abnormal is often associated with deformity or defect.

      I have to wonder how these things will deal with people with physical disabilities. Someone in a wheelchair, on crutches, etc. will most certainly not appear "normal" to the algorithm. Would a limp throw the system off?

      Ironically, machine-learning algorithms can be just as discriminatory as real-life people sometimes.

    4. Re:Unusual is abnormal by Gage+With+Union · · Score: 1

      of course, I also fear unreal-life people, too.

  27. Re:100 surveillance screens by JetScootr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    From TFA: $1,500 to $4,500 per camera.
    100 screens, assume each one rotates thru, um, 5 cameras, that's 500 cameras, say $3000 per, 1.5 million bucks. You could actually HIRE HUMANS, say 20 of'em, at $75K each to watch 5 screens each, and have a 1:1 ratio of accuracy.

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  28. Re:One out of four ain't bad by oodaloop · · Score: 1, Troll

    Well, you obviously know much more about what's going on than I do. I just work in Iraq as an intelligence analyst...what do you do again?

    The terrorists we've arrested are largely foreigners, so it's tough for me to accept them as "patriots". They indiscrimantly kill innocent Iraqis, which is the big reason behind the Anbar awakening. There have also been several that I know of that showed up in Iraq and realized it was all a mistake: the U.S. was doing the right thing, and the violence was due to Sunni vs Shia strife. It's a shame we don't get their stories out more.

    U.S. troops in Iraq, including snipers, wear what we call "uniforms". Terrorists don't. Rules of Armed Conflict recognize combatants that wear uniforms. Is that clear enough of a distinction for you?

    And let's not forget why the U.N. didn't approve the invasion. French officials were on the take in the Oil for Food program and France was selling MRBMs, which were forbidden under the UN resolutions it was approving. We were NEVER going to get their approval, or the approval of the numerous other countries participating in the corrupt Oil for Food program. Iraq violated over 20 U.N. resolutions with no repurcussions in sight, freely murdered their own people with chemical weapons, sponsored terrorist groups for over 20 yeas, and somehow Bush ended up the bad guy for taking a stand, actually doing something about it, and stopping it all.

    And BTW, Congress voted overwhelmingly to support the president in sending troops to Iraq. Only in your vivid imagination is Bush responsible for everything you see bad in the world.

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  29. Re:One out of four ain't bad by JetScootr · · Score: 1

    Sorry, I'm not intending to troll here. Maybe you're telling the absolute unbiased truth. Maybe you're not. I have no opinion on that, either way.
    Here's what you don't see because of where you are and what you know: The US public does NOT know what's going on in Iraq. The government has lied to us repeatedly, "spin doctored" the truth, hidden facts that really didn't need to be hidden, controlled the media instead of allowing freely reported news of all viewpoints, etc. Not just about Iraq, but about everything having to do with "the war on terror". We can't trust what we're being told because those who speak have an agenda and have been caught lying.
    As for them not wearing uniforms: where would they get them? We overthrew their gov't and destroyed or took over their infrastructure. As for them being foreigners: See my comment about "allies", and: So are we.
    Since the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, I've not heard one single editorial that was sharply critical of government policy. A few softball commentaries, "opponents say ...." kinda things, but no hard-hitting investigations, no tough questions or rough press conferences. It's all very well orchestrated, politely and orderly presented, etc. There's no coverage of the protests that are occuring in many cities, no coverage of people being harassed because of anti-war views, no politicians speaking out against the war.
    How can that be, when the pres has the lowest approval rating of any pres ever? High ranking leaders and the media are not reflecting the views of the people, but desire of gov't to maintain order and support for an unpopular war.
    You talk about foreigners attacking Iraqis - why are we even involved? Iraq is a mess, but it always has been. There's no amount of external force (US troops) that can fix that, no matter how well meaning or well behaved our troops are. The longer we stay, the more it will develop towards another Viet Nam.

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  30. Abnormal Behavior by Crock23A · · Score: 1

    I walk with a limp. Does that constitute abnormal behavior according to this software?

  31. just one more surrogate by nimbius · · Score: 1

    just like the DVD became a nanny for kids, the tazer is becoming the defacto response for law enforcement. just like the airbag replaces the seatbelt for a lot of adults, the telephone has slowly turned into a tracking device for parents. (http://blogs.computerworld.com/node/2744) abnormal activity detection technology is likely to become a surrogate for actual law enforcement and security. if "motion zones" in cameras provide multiple false positives, which they do, this technology will find itself likely ignored just as quickly by an operator.

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  32. The ratio will be much higher than three to one... by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

    ...once it becomes known what sets it off.

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  33. Re:One out of four ain't bad by oodaloop · · Score: 1, Troll

    All very good points. The U.S. public is largely unaware of what is going on here, but the governement is not to blame IMHO. The Public Affairs Office (PAO) issues hundreds of press releases a day (in fact, an unclassified summary of every single operation is written up every single day and sent to the PAO for release), however reporters are mostly only interested in casualties and deaths. Schools getting built are accurately reported and issued to the media but go unreported. Every report on something positive ends with how many soldiers died that day. Yes, there are startingly few outright critical reports in the mainstream media of the war, but I think that is mostly due to reporters tryig to stay in good graces with the White House so they continue to get leaked information, scoops, etc. They still paint the war as negatively as possible. The truely telling things about the war are never found in the press, like the fact there are 10 out of 18 provinces now under Iraqi Provincial Control (with another 6 on schedule to be turned over by the end of 2008), or the total number of foriegn fighters coming through Syria (where almost all foriegn fighters come through) every month is 50-60. These figures do not support the Iraq-as-Vietnam unwinable perpetual quagmire picture they want to paint, and are never reported. As such, I think the subtle bias in reporting is much more damaging than an outright stinging critique. This way, people have no idea the positions they hold are based on distorted information.

    As for being involved, I think it's time we leave. Either things will get better, or more likely I think, Iran and Al Qaeda will both claim victory (in different ways, and perhaps not publicly) and end up fighting each other for control of Iraq. Let them.

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  34. Is there a woman in red? by wingbat · · Score: 1

    Can each observed object in the machine code feed be represented by a stream of shifting symbols streaming vertically down the display? Can you make them green?

  35. Who let that guy open his mouth? by FlyingBishop · · Score: 1
    From the company's President John Frazzini, a "U.S. Secret Service agent and IT security consultant:"

    because the data collected by the cameras wasn't machine readable. We had to invent a way to do that.

    I'm tempted to send off a resume. If they're hiring people stupid enough to claim that video is difficult to make machine-readable, as president, I've gotta be able to get a good position there.

    Of course, it is impressive to offload that much analog data to a machine, and process it in real time (I wonder what kind of hardware this needs) but the wording of that statement is so fundamentally flawed that man should not be allowed to speak in public (and possibly not claim to be any sort of technical expert.)

    1. Re:Who let that guy open his mouth? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      I think it's a fair statement. "Read", in the English language, doesn't just mean pass a bunch of data through like a sieve. If you pick up the newspaper, you don't just idly scan the pages sending streams of optical data to /dev/null. You understand it and you learn stuff about what's happening in the world (at least, hopefully... maybe you DO just pipe it to /dev/null). Computers are great at taking stuff and putting it in machine-storable form, but programming them to actually figure out what it means (e.g. "read" it) is much more difficult.

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  36. Re:100 surveillance screens by John+Hasler · · Score: 2, Interesting

    > You could actually HIRE HUMANS, say 20 of'em, at $75K each to watch 5 screens each, and
    > have a 1:1 ratio of accuracy.

    Never pulled guard duty, did you? you won't get a "1:1 ratio of accuracy" even if you hire someone for each individual camera.

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  37. matrix by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

    I wonder if he got his idea from the Matrix, when Neo realised he was the one, and came back from the dead.... everything looks....green!

  38. I'm not paranoid, am I? by Lengyel · · Score: 1

    "We think a three-to-one ratio of alerts to actual events is what the market will accept," ...[the CEO] says. "We could be wrong."

    A three-to-one ratio of false positives is lower than most paranoids will accept.

  39. Being the former architect of a... by Assmasher · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...wide area surveillance system (which included video analytics for loitering, wrong way traffic in a crowd, crowd panic analysis, smoke/fire detection by video, et cetera) I can point out that there are MANY companies, corporate research groups, and universities that have been doing things like this for several years (in some cases almost 10 years.)

              This company is in for a rude awakening when they realize that (a)their price per camera is extraordinarily high (this one metric is the biggest decider in large installation proposals [along with whether or not you have to mount the cameras on poles or just hallways/buildings]) and (b)a false alert rate of 3 to 1 is TOTALLY unacceptable. The entire purpose of video analytics in a security environment is to reduce the workload on the monitoring staff (and hopefully put more of them out into the field) while being able to scale up your coverage. I assure you that a 3 to 1 false alert rate will result in zero customers in a year. Measuring the false alert rate is also highly subjective. Companies tend to use a given scenario repeatedly to measure their results when, of course, this has little to no bearing on reality. Things like the weather (moving shadows affect certain algorithms even when accounted for algorithmically, headlights, flashlights, camera flashes change things, wind, rain, snow, bugs, everything you can imagine, lol...) negate all of these measurements.

              It is nice to see new blood in this space, but I hope they were smart enough to make their software offerings totally distinct from their hardware (many companies do not) so that they can integrate with other systems without to much work. That's the best way to make money in the video analytics market right now. The big boys (like SIEMENS) got into the game about 3 years ago and they'll squeeze you out every time unless you can offer something that helps them land a big deal.

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    1. Re:Being the former architect of a... by Assmasher · · Score: 1

      All the algorithms for learning/extracting backgrounds are available in publications/subscriptions/internet and have been for years. Sad that people would need a GPL codebase to implement them, lol...

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  40. Scope creep by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes, this is why any such technology must be viewed with some concern. In parallel with requiring people to change their behaviour for the benefit of the machine, we also have the danger of trusting the machine. Sooner or later, some jobsworth will decide that a beep on the machine constitutes "reasonable grounds" for suspicion, which is all that is required to stop/search or arrest someone in some places. Ironically, a 1-in-4 failure rate is probably a good thing here, since at least then such a decision is likely to be overruled by a higher authority sooner rather than later. But what is ever an acceptable failure rate, given the negative consequences for the innocent victim of the system?

    You need a pretty severe penalty/compensation/appeals system to overcome the downward spiral once you start to trust the machine, perhaps something along the lines of exponentially increasing compensation payments with each false accusation of the same person and personal responsibility on the part of the operators so they could go to court and be subject to sanctions if they abuse their position. But of course, this sort of thing doesn't really happen. What really happens is that the Powers That Be, whether government or corporate interests, pretend it's OK for a minority of cases to be wrong, and most of the little people don't have the resources to fight the abuse.

    Meanwhile, the person on the other end gets to be like the lady in the UK who was on a TV report recently because her car number plate was cloned: she is receiving automated fines for motoring offences at a silly rate from various government agencies, each of those fines has to be challenged individually in court, and there is no mechanism available to flag as suspect the record in the DVLA database those agencies used to find her. Her life has become an ongoing, government-sanctioned harassment campaign, and while there ought to be one hell of a due process lawsuit in the works since this is the government doing the dirty work, at the time they showed the report no lawyer had been able to advise her on how to stop the madness.

    Regardless of the theory, for every mass surveillance technology we allow to be introduced, stories like that one are easy to find. And most mass surveillance technologies don't really work very well anyway: city centre CCTV hasn't been proved to reduce crime, ANPR cameras result in the real criminals investing in false number plates, etc. We would do well to remember the old saying that man should not be judged by machine, and to oppose any sort of machine-based summary "justice", lest we slide further into the hole we are digging for ourselves.

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    1. Re:Scope creep by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

      at the time they showed the report no lawyer had been able to advise her on how to stop the madness.

      Can't she turn in her plate and get a new number?

    2. Re:Scope creep by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      She probably could, but (a) only for a fee, (b) there's no guarantee the same won't happen with the new number plate next week, and (c) it won't clear the numerous outstanding fines threatening to bankrupt her anyway, and (d) the same could happen to anyone else, too. It might be a pragmatic step to take in her position, but it's far from a robust way to fix the underlying mess.

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  41. War of machines? by cwAllenPoole · · Score: 1

    Perhaps I am misunderstanding the situation, but a proposed upcoming "war of machines" seems a bit premature. The real issue in machine warfare, the one which really needs to addressed, is that machines must be able to repair machines. As it stands, each of these devices will need routine maintenance and, as such, are entirely beholden on their creators. Currently, a robot cannot diagnose the strange rattling in a car engine or why the darn "check-engine" light won't go off (and yes, there are computers that help with that, but they don't really fix things, do they?).

    No, I think the real concern is not automated "booby traps," I think the real concern is when I drive to a mechanic's shop and am greeted by the ED-209 refitted to change tires. Granted, my lube job would be faster and cheaper, but I'd miss that service with a smile.

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  42. What IS the false positive rate? by dpbsmith · · Score: 1

    Notice that the spokesperson says "We think a three-to-one ratio of alerts to actual events is what the market will accept."

    What he doesn't say is what their actual false positive rate in testing was... or any reason for believing the false positive rate will, in fact, be anywhere near that low.

    I've come to be very leery of that sort of hypothetical statement... ones that lead you to think something has been said that hasn't been said. He's saying that 3:1 is a plausible goal, but he's not saying they've achieved it!

    And what does he mean by a "false positives?" Let's say the system is installed to detect (say) humans trespassing on private property in a wooded area. Let's say that no deer had wandered through during the period when the baseline was being established. One day a deer wanders through and an alarm is triggered. Would BRS count this as a false positive, because it was not a human intruder? Or would they count is as correct functioning, because it was "unusual activity?"

    Much of what is said in the article is pretty hard to believe on the face of it, at least not without further explanation.

    "The BRS Labs software can establish a baseline in anywhere from 30 minutes to several hours, depending on how much activity the camera recognizes and how regular the patterns of behavior are." But it talks specifically about "wooded areas," i.e. outdoor scenes. Will it be able to ignore snow, branches falling in a windstorm, etc. if those events did not occur during the training period?

    On that "busy highway," where the baseline can be established in "half an hour," will the software know that the bicycle race or Fourth of July parade is not unusual?

  43. Don't forget Cyberdyne by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    http://www.cyberdynegauges.net/

    ALL YOUR GAUGE ARE BELONG TO US

    (caps filter workaround)

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    1. Re:Don't forget Cyberdyne by phulegart · · Score: 1

      if all the other ways we are going to destroy ourselves weren't enough...

      We're building Skynet one aspect at a time.

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  44. Re:HOWTO: guerilla PR for your startup by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 1

    Speaking of which, anybody know what patent numbers were issued? I can't find them in the USPTO database.

  45. I've installed these systems by cusco · · Score: 1

    I've installed these systems, and they're not ready for prime time. The last customer turned off a $50,000 investment because of a 2:1 ratio of false positives annoying the operators. This bozo thinks a 3:1 ratio is going to be acceptable? Not in the real world.

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  46. Fodder for lawsuits by HellYeahAutomaton · · Score: 1

    People with physical and mental disabilities will be unjustly harassed by enforcers who use systems like this.

    It's only a matter of time before a lawyer gets a call from someone with a limp, a tremor, a facial tic, or an itch in an unusual place and put the kibosh on the whole system. Hope they have a good legal team.

  47. Re:100 surveillance screens by JetScootr · · Score: 1

    Never pulled guard duty, did you?
    Actually, yes I have. You'd be surprised how "abnormal behavior" fails to appear when a guard, even unarmed, walks by every few hours.

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  48. Re:100 surveillance screens by strelitsa · · Score: 1

    Mea culpa. I booted the description by leaving a word out. It should have been "... rapidly become the best friend of the fellow who now has to constantly scan 100 surveillance screens for unusual activity."

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  49. Probable cause? Not at all! by ^_^x · · Score: 1

    As someone who makes a rule of behaving abnormally, I wonder how abnormal it will find having the lenses shattered at a distance greater than it's set up to see...

    "Probable cause" for searches doesn't mean "my flaky security system thought you were acting suspiciously" and I hope someone immolates these guys in court the first time that's suggested.

    Thankfully this kind of thing is a little way off where I live - the nearest well known "1984" surveillance state is a bit further west in Kelowna, BC. I still plan to fight this stuff tooth and nail where I can though, as so far it's only been abused and of questionable value in deterring crime, but it's definitely encroaching on remaining free cities.

  50. Re:One out of four ain't bad by ashitaka · · Score: 1

    Why rely on what the media finds "newsworthy"?

    The MNF PAO has a website with RSS feeds of all releases.

    Of course, now you're dependent on what the MNF find "newsworthy".

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  51. This isn't new by Kankraka · · Score: 1

    There's already better, faster systems out there. I work for a remote monitoring station that monitors hundreds of -sites- remotely. We use a combination of software/hardware, but the best system we have going right now uses this http://www.aimetis.com/symphony/default.aspx It does everything the article claims the new stuff does, without the 'learning' aspect, which is essentially useless anyways, as there is no 100% predictability of 'normal' activity.