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Software Price Gap Between the US and Europe

Kensai7 writes "A quick comparison between same versions of mainstream software sold in the USA and the EU markets show a big difference in the respective price tags. If you want to buy online, let's say, Adobe's Dreamweaver CS3, you'll have to pay $399 if you live in the States, but a whopping E570 (almost $900 in current exchange rates!) if you happen to buy it in Germany. Same story for Microsoft's newest products: Expression Web 2 in America costs only $299 new, but try that in Italy and they will probably ask you no less than E366 ($576!). How can such an abyssal difference be explained? I understand there are some added costs for the localized translated versions, but I also thought the Euro was supposed to be outbuying the dollar. Where's the catch?"

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  1. Because they can by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's no complicated reason, companies charge more for products in europe because they can.

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    1. Re:Because they can by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Obligatory:

      "I'm proud to be an American, where at least my software is more free"

    2. Re:Because they can by houghi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You could almost say that in Europe people purchase new technology for the sake of technology, while in the US people view technology as mere work tools.

      So you are saying that the newn things you implement are useless?
      One could also say that Europe sees the advantage earlier while Americans stick with what they have for better or for worse.

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    3. Re:Because they can by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      "I'm proud to be an American, where at least my software is pirated"

      Fixed. :)

  2. markets by Red+Flayer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How can such an abyssal difference be explained?

    Very easily. The US and Europe are different markets. Analytics for pricing have shown time and again that Europeans and Britons are willing to pay more for consumer electronics and for software. Hence, suppliers charge more.

    As time goes on and the "global" market homogenizes, this will change. But until then, pricing decisions based upon local markets will continue to create situations like those described in the summary.

    As for the reasons that Europeans are willing to pay more, any input I'd have would be speculation. The fact that the development of most commercial software happened in the US (historically, not necessarily presently) probably has something to do with it.

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  3. Not only software... by __aardcx5948 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For example, the game Rock Band for Xbox 360. It costs USD 150 (~ euro 95) in USA (on Amazon.com) and SEK 1990 in Sweden (euro 211 or USD 332). It's more than double the price!!! Did we get anything extra? NO! Oh yes, sorry, we had to WAIT more than 6 _months_ for a European release, which didn't bring anything new/better compared to the American version. FU EA!

  4. sheesh by ionix5891 · · Score: 5, Funny

    were not that dumb

    http://thepiratebay.org/

    1. Re:sheesh by cliffski · · Score: 5, Insightful

      you realise all the stuff on there is only made because they rely on honest people buying copies right?

      You might think its cool to just leech off of honest people, but some of us would have a real problem with that.

      or did you think pixies from outer space made all the software?

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  5. Re:You answered your own question by Kiffer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I see... so why does it still cost stupid prices in Ireland and the UK where little or no localisation needs to be carried out?

  6. Conversions by edittard · · Score: 5, Funny

    E570 is not $900; it's stearic acid. E366 is potassium fumarate.

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  7. Real question: Why can they? by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The reason is that the companies create artificial monopolies by creating sole distributorships in each country. On top of that, name/brand recognition goes a long way in semi-First World countries like those in Europe, so something like DreamWeaver is going to gather a lot more interest than XMLSpy (or what have you). So you have a market focused on one product, and only one supplier of that product. The math is pretty simple; consumers lose out to asymmetric market forces.

    It's not just "because they can", but it's actually the market that has created those conditions. If Europeans would wake up to the alternatives (like China and India have), software prices would be much more reasonable.

    1. Re:Real question: Why can they? by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Informative

      That's simply not true.

      There are thousands of Windows distributors in the US. Though MS might be the final arbiter of who gets to distribute MS products, they rely on widespread distribution networks to provide the constant revenue stream they need to stay in business.

      With foreign sole distributorships, the only stipulation is that the distributorships provide a certain level of sales and income back to MS (for example). So within the country, the sole distributor sells the product for at least cost, then adds in his cut, then pumps the price up because he has no competition to drive his prices down.

      Since the sole distributor acts as a monopoly within the country, the retail outlets have to bear the cost that the distributor charges, and the customers have to bear the costs passed down from the retail outlets.

      Yes, it's capitalism, and it's grounded in well understood economics. But it isn't "Supply and Demand at work" in a free market sense.

    2. Re:Real question: Why can they? by zeromorph · · Score: 5, Funny
      Summary:

      ...if you happen to buy it in Germany

      You:

      ...in semi-First World countries like those in Europe

      Wow!

      But then, you are right, when I was living there the first 25 years of my life, we used to sit on trees and hunt mammoths with hand-axes, while our neighbours were struggling with the fancy new walking-upright industrial norm.

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    3. Re:Real question: Why can they? by MagdJTK · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Semi-first world countries? Just goes to show how out of touch Americans really are with the rest of the world.

    4. Re:Real question: Why can they? by roguetrick · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I would argue that "semi-First World country" is a monumentally stupid phrase, so add our failed education system to that list.

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    5. Re:Real question: Why can they? by Khazunga · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Europe really is a decade or two behind the US economically.

      Europe is economically much different from the US. It's not behind the US in any way. Per-capita GDP in the US is in the low 40kUSD range. Per-capita GDP in the EU was above 40k dollars before the ten-country admission in 2004 that included lots of former soviet states. It is now lower, (35k if I recall correctly) but will naturally correct as the EU absorbs the former soviet republics (which had staggering low productivity).

      Europe is different. More bureaucratic, with softer growth surges and almost no recessions on record. I don't know if it is better, but it's definitely not a worse economic environment.

      It's mainly because they blew all their infrastructure up in WWII[snip]

      The Marshall plan took care of this in two decades time. Great effort by the US btw, and definitely the kind of diplomacy a modern capitalist society should use and abuse (instead of classic brute-force-diplomacy)

      , but also because of anti-competitive protectionist legislation.

      The EU abolished most protectionist legislation between countries in the EU. Intercontinental protectionism is on par with the US.

      "Semi-First World" may be an overstatement, but there is some truth to it.

      The only revealed truth is that the author couples a sense of superiority with major ignorance about the rest of the planet.

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    6. Re:Real question: Why can they? by SlashJoel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Some American famously said "I may not like what you say, but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it"--a principle that many Americans hold dear.

      I wonder how all those Americans will feel when they learn that the famous American who said that was Voltaire, a Frenchman...

  8. It's because of all the Free Software by vengeful · · Score: 5, Funny

    Because Free Software is more popular in Europe, the commercial software companies must make up for the lost stales by increasing prices.
    If those damn users would only stop using Free Software, the price of commercial software could come down to a more reasonable level.

  9. Re:taxes by wild_quinine · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One thing often forgotten (which doesn't explain the examples, but many others) is that in Europe, prices are always (AFAIK) given with taxes, while in the US they are (AFAIK) without. Since sales tax in Germany is 19%, that explains quite a bit of difference already.

    Ah, yes. The 'rock band' excuse.

    TCO rock band video game USA: 85 UK pounds.

    TCO rock band video game UK: 185 pounds.

    Explanation? Value Added Tax (17.5%) and 'shipping'.

    Shipping?!? Whip out your bullshit detectors now folks, because these things are made in CHINA.

  10. Hassle factor by Spazmania · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The governments of Europe hassle companies (in general) more than the US does. This hassle has a cost. The cost is reflected in the price.

    Let me put it another way: Adobe considers it worth their while to sell Dreamweaver at $400 in the US. After all the hassle, they consider it worth their while to sell Dreamweaver for $900 in Europe. At $400, would it be worth their while to sell Dreamweaver in the EU at all? Maybe not.

    Let me put it a third way: go on eBay and you find that a lot of US sellers won't ship outside of the US and Canada. Why not? Because it isn't worth the hassle. Would it be worth the hassle if the seller could check a box which said, "double price outside North America?" Maybe so.

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  11. Single data point by iaamoac · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't get your knickers in a bunch just yet over the price difference. What we have here amounts to a single data point in time.

    Perhaps a better question to ask first is "How has the price of software in Euros changed over the last couple of years?"

    Why ask this? You are converting prices back to US dollars. The value of the US dollar as compared to Euros has been declining for the last couple of years.

    IF the price has been relatively steady (I don't know if this is the case), and people are comfortable paying this price, there is less incentive for US companies to lower the price of their software in Europe. If the Euros are converted into US dollars, they would be keeping more $$$. It's their software, they can charge what they choose.

    This only addresses part of your question. Since one US dollar has been worth less than one Euro (at least for the last five years), the price at any point in that period (assuming a relatively constant Euro price of software), would still be higher.

    There is probably some holes in my reasoning, but I am sure smarter souls will be more than happy to correct me.

  12. Nothing New by fictionpuss · · Score: 5, Funny

    Microsoft has always charged less in developing nations with weak or fragile economies.

  13. Import duties are another cost by jmichaelg · · Score: 5, Informative

    Back in the 90's when I was shipping software to Europe, the price I'd charge the wholesaler was the same I'd charge local wholesalers. Getting through customs however, wasn't trivial. Import duties in the 90's which were separate from VAT were running around 15-20%. The wholesaler paid that on top of the price he paid us and added his markup which he passed on to the retailer. The retailer turned around and added his markup to the price he paid which included the duty cost plus the wholesaler's markup on the duty cost. By the time it got to the customer, the customer was paying markup on markup on duty plus regular retail-wholesale markups. What initially appeared to be a relatively small duty cost mushroomed into a sizable burden.

    I was talking to one of the wholesalers about it and he laughed it off by saying 'yeah, but we get trains!' He'd then piss and moan about his more savy customers buying directly from retailers in the states and avoiding the double markups. That of course, reduced his market which meant he raised his prices more to cover his fixed costs.

    Another factor driving prices in Europe was the fact that we'd sign exclusive distribution agreements so a wholesaler owned the market for a specific country. We did that because the wholesaler handled the translation and marketing costs in the specific country (we were a small company). Since he was the only source for a product, there wasn't any price competition. Here in the states, we'd wholesale with 5-6 distributors and those 5-6 companies were cut-throat with each other. The ones who couldn't compete on price, didn't survive.