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Sen. Ted "Tubes" Stevens Is Indicted

Many readers are letting us know about the indictment of Sen. Ted Stevens on seven counts of making false statements on his financial disclosure forms. We discussed the raid on the senator's house a while back. Everyone's favorite technologically challenged senator is the longest-serving Republican in the history of the upper house. An Alaskan paper gives deep background on the probe that has ensnared Stevens and a number of other Alaska political figures.

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  1. Re:tee-hee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People like Ted Stevens don't go to pound-me-in-the-ass prison.

    Some pigs are more equal than others.

  2. So what I want to know by Oh+no,+it's+Dixie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How did he stay in office so long if there was already evidence of corruption in 2003 and 2004?

    1. Re:So what I want to know by R2.0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "How did he stay in office so long if there was already evidence of corruption in 2003 and 2004?"

      The same way Dan Rostenkowski did and Marion Barry and Murtha after Abscam:

      "He may be a son-of-a-bitch, but he's OUR son-of-a-bitch"

      Also keep in mind that he has brought home a lot of bacon to the residents of Alaska, and they probably view such minor corruption as a cross they just have to bear to get the goodies. Remember, the "bridge to nowhere" ALMOST got approved.

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    2. Re:So what I want to know by ArcherB · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How did he stay in office so long if there was already evidence of corruption in 2003 and 2004?

      The same way that William Jefferson of New Orleans did (and still is).

      (Who, BTW, in response to the AC that also responded to your post, is NOT white)

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  3. Re:And watch the "discussion" devolve... by moderatorrater · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Honestly, I don't see this devolving into partisan bickering because everyone hates congress and the senate and everyone knows that people on both sides of the aisle are corrupt. I'm a republican and I freakin' hate this guy. Everyone I know hates corruption in the government, and this guy was one of the most corrupt out there.

  4. Re:Series of Tubes by moderatorrater · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually, no, clueless asshats don't laugh at it, people who know about the subject laugh at it. The analogy is simple to the point of being useless and is only useful for those who don't have any clue at all about how the internet works, which is a quickly shrinking minority. That someone in such a position is a member of that minority is embarrassing.

  5. The indictment (pdf) by jamie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    text of the indictment is now available.

    It was a part of the scheme that STEVENS, while during that same time period that he was concealing his continuing receipt of things of value from ALLEN and VECO from 1999 to 2006, received and accepted solicitations for multiple official actions from ALLEN and other VECO employees, and knowing that STEVENS could and did use his official position and his office on behalf of VECO during that same time period.

    That sounds like good old-fashioned bribery to me, but with our screwed-up laws it's probably a lot easier to convict a politician for lying about the bribes than for taking the bribes.

  6. Re:And watch the "discussion" devolve... by iminplaya · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Everyone hates congress...until election time when 95% of them get reelected.

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  7. Time to clean house by MikeRT · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And when will Dodd and the Democratic senators who got their mortgages personally handed to them by bank CEOs receive the same treatment? I'm not a partisan in this, and I do enjoy seeing Stevens go down, but this guy is just the tip of the iceberg. I suspect that most of Congress would have to be indicted if a sweeping investigation were done.

  8. Re:An alaskan perspective... by Dekortage · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What he is charged with is so petty compared to the greater good he has done that will be a crying shame.

    So, you're saying... as long as he keeps the money flowing to you, you are willing to overlook lies and deception? Do you think he's clean as a whistle in all his other dealings, too?

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  9. Re:And watch the "discussion" devolve... by moderatorrater · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Term limits would solve that problem both by definition and by addressing a core problem - length of time served equals power in both houses. Then there's the problem that races tend to involve two absolutely shitty choices. Even with some pretty blatant gerrymandering, Utah republicans can't oust democrat Jim Matheson from congress because they keep nominating idiots to run against him.

    The consequence of this system is that corruption never gets rooted out and a bunch of old men are deciding the future of a country that's changing very rapidly. I'll vote against incumbents when they give me a good alternative, and that doesn't happen too often.

  10. Re:tee-hee by db32 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Leavenworth is a federal prison. If you have bothered to watch the news there have been more than a few murder/rapist types that have been going there. I don't know where you get the idea that Federal prison is soft or how you managed to get modded informative for that patently false nonsense.

    I can only assume that you are confused by Alcatraz being a recreational area now. Alcatraz was not a pleasant place when it was a federal prison. Back then the tour of the place lasted a bit longer than an afternoon.

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  11. Re:An alaskan perspective... by Gat0r30y · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Perhaps i'm an idiot, but I still don't quite get how precisely it is in the interest of the greater good (or benefit the state) that the esteemed senator from Alaska goes un-prosecuted and the light of day never shines on his actions. If you wouldn't mind clarifying I would greatly appreciate it. Additionally, would it really be impossible to imagine someone from a different political party (D, or even perhaps an I?) who would

    explore and develop our natural resources like oil, gold and copper

    ? Really? The letter next to your name determines whether you will allow things to be dug out of the ground? Or perhaps its just that adhering to environmental regulations already in place might cut into profits a little?

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  12. Re:Well, there goes another political career... by squidguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Will be interesting to see, as the ultimate act of hypocrisy, if the next President pardons him ala Clinton's forgiveness of bigtime Chicago Machine Dem Dan Rostenkowski, who now collects his congressional pension despite similar acts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Rostenkowski). Sen Stevens likely won't be convicted in time for President Bush to possibly react.

  13. Re:For Old Time's Sake by 77Punker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When I'm too old to understand what the fuck I'm talking about, I'll resign from congress and not try to legislate it.

    If he's too old to get it, it's time to get out. I wouldn't be angry about some other old man not understanding new technology, but he has power over it. That's dangerous.

  14. Re:And watch the "discussion" devolve... by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That pattern can be explained in a single word: gerrymandering.

    Actually there is a bit more to it than that. Your own Congressman is probably pretty good at delivering "economic development" to his district. The other 434 assholes are just wasting our tax dollars on "pork".

    Ever wonder why Congress as a whole gets shitty approval ratings yet people usually have good things to say about their own Rep?

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  15. Re:Guess I'll have to cancel the trip... by stinerman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or what should the federal government do if the states refuse to act on what is arguably a set of legitimate needs?

    Not a damn thing.

    If the states are derelict in their responsibility then the citizens of those states can vote in a new state government. If they continue to vote in an irresponsible government that doesn't attend to their needs, then I'm not shedding a tear. People tend to get the government they deserve.

    The only time the Feds have an obligation to intervene is when the states are abridging the rights of the citizens of the United States. A state's minority not getting what they want is does not give carte blanche to the Feds to "remedy" the situation.

  16. Re:Well, there goes another political career... by mapsjanhere · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You don't have to be convicted of anything to receive a presidential pardon (see Nixon, Richard).
    One good option for him is to win reelection, then resign to allow the Republican Governor to appoint another Republican to serve out his term. For that Bush will grant him a pardon on the last day "for the 40 years of service to the country", and he will fade away.

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  17. Re:tee-hee by blantonl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You have to be kidding me. US Senators might only be paid a base salary of 165K or so, but their ability to generate wealth far exceeds the ability of many corporate CEOs.

    Quote from Forbes:

    The wealth of the incoming class will hardly raise eyebrows in the Senate, where about half of the current 100 members are also millionaires and the average net worth is $8.9 million, according to an analysis by the Center for Responsive Politics in Washington. By contrast, less than 1% of the U.S. population has a net worth of $1 million or more.

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  18. Re:An alaskan perspective... by Dekortage · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I love that all the conservatives think I'm a liberal, and all the liberals think I'm conservative.

    Anyway, you wrote: "Our state certainly needs to rid itself of corruption. If Stevens is convicted it will be a sad day. What he is charged with is so petty compared to the greater good he has done that will be a crying shame. And entirely his fault. He should of course take the blame for his actions. But that doesn't change the fact that it will hurt the state MORE if he is convicted... the damage comes from the hurt this does to the Republican party in Alaska."

    I read you as follows:

    1. "Stevens might be convicted." I'm assuming you mean "convicted" in the traditional sense, as in "because he was guilty."
    2. "What he is charged with is so petty compared to the greater good." Following the above, it sounds like you're saying that if he is convicted, you are willing to overlook his lawbreaking (lying, accepting bribes, whatever it may be) because he has done great things, like bringing in lots of money and making all kinds of improvements.
    3. "He should take the blame for his actions." So if he is guilty, you think he needs to face up to it.
    4. "...it will hurt the state MORE if he is convicted..." So if he is guilty, it does not matter, because it's more important to keep him in office than apply laws to him. Otherwise it will hurt the Republican party badly.

    Do I have that right?

    If so, you are saying, in essence, that as long as he keeps the money [benefits, improvements, etc.] flowing, you are willing to overlook [forgive, sideline, ignore, etc.] lies and deception for the greater good of the Republican party [you]. Right?

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  19. Re:tee-hee by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Uncle Ted may be going to Leavenworth, or some other Federal joint, but he's going to be held in the minimalist minimal security section, and will have unlimited visits and weekend trips home. No US senator (or Bush Administration member) will ever see the inside of a real jail cell. No matter what they've done.

    Hell, the Vice President shot a guy in the face and told the sheriff who came to the door to come back tomorrow, and then had the luxury of almost a full day to clean up any potential evidence (or potential witness). Next time you get stopped for speeding, try giving the trooper your cell number and asking him to give you a call tomorrow, when you promise to take care of the matter. See where that gets you.

    Ted Stevens' attorneys will say that their client is too old and feeble to do any time at all, even if Ted goes hunting every other weekend and bangs hookers and snorts meth daily. And the federal judge will talk about how losing his reelection bid will be "sufficient punishment" for this great man who has served his country for so long, blah blah blah.

    Bottom line is that Senator Stevens will, like his brethren, jack off in the face of the Rule of Law.

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  20. Re:Guess I'll have to cancel the trip... by mi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Which describes almost every "red" state in the Union.

    Citation needed. Badly.

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  21. Re:tee-hee by afabbro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You have to be kidding me. US Senators might only be paid a base salary of 165K or so, but their ability to generate wealth far exceeds the ability of many corporate CEOs.

    Quote from Forbes:

    The wealth of the incoming class will hardly raise eyebrows in the Senate, where about half of the current 100 members are also millionaires and the average net worth is $8.9 million, according to an analysis by the Center for Responsive Politics in Washington. By contrast, less than 1% of the U.S. population has a net worth of $1 million or more.

    The point you missed is that their net worth was that high before they became Senators.

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  22. Re:tee-hee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just because you've bought into the whole "cheap cynicism is cool" BS, doesn't mean you have to be so condescending to those of us who still recognize that sometimes the right people do the right things for the right reasons.

    Maybe not often, but it happens.

  23. Re:tee-hee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Might well be because the cynicism is deserved rather than because it's "cool".

    Just because some people are still naive enough to believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and Honest Politicians doesn't mean all of us should disable our critical thinking skills.

  24. Re:Guess I'll have to cancel the trip... by Red+Flayer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You're right, it did go to the towns airport.

    Which was already adequately served by ferry service.

    And the ferry service could have been expanded at a fraction of the cost of the bridge.

    It was unnecessary pork that signified an enormous disrespect for the idea of spending tax dollars efficiently.

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  25. Re:Yeah, and what happened with that one? by Evilest+Doer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    JFK got us into vietnam.

    Actually, the Vietnam War began during the Eisenhower administration, but thanks for playing anyway. As a parting gift, here is a link from Wikipedia.

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