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A Quasi-Quasicrystal

An anonymous reader sends along a link to a mindbending article in Science News on quasicrystals — odd materials with a structure partway between order and disorder. Now researchers have found something even odder: a material that's partway between a quasicrystal and a regular crystal. The order in the new structure is provided by the Fibonacci sequence. It was constructed with plastic beads and laser beams, so no new materials science inventions are on the horizon. "'We are absolutely sure that this structure should have properties that are not usual,' Mikhael says, because materials with odd structures almost always do. Now they just have to figure out what those properties are."

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  1. Anyone else find that quote hilarious? by haltenfrauden27 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "'We are absolutely sure that this structure should have properties that are not usual,' Mikhael says, because materials with odd structures almost always do."

    Sounds like something out of a Monty Python sketch.

    Seriously, though, I'd rather hear about what interesting/new discoveries come out of this strange material than just hear about the possibility of its existence.

    1. Re:Anyone else find that quote hilarious? by Paradigm_Complex · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Seriously, though, I'd rather hear about what interesting/new discoveries come out of this strange material than just hear about the possibility of its existence.

      When that's announced people will complain that the information is pretty useless and would rather hear about practical applications found for it.
      When that's announced people will complain about why they haven't heard about this before. Others will complain about how it was on digg years ago and how slashdot is slow.

      So shut up and discuss the interesting stuff we have know now :D
      Or get high and stare at the trippy pictures :D
      Or make an off topic meme-based joke :(

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    2. Re:Anyone else find that quote hilarious? by dontmakemethink · · Score: 3, Informative

      "'We are absolutely sure that this structure should have properties that are not usual,' Mikhael says, because materials with odd structures almost always do."

      Sounds like George Dubya Bush paraphrasing Yoda.

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    3. Re:Anyone else find that quote hilarious? by hyades1 · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Or make an off topic meme-based joke"

      You mean, like teaching sharks with lasers on their heads to swim in formation so they could generate quasi-crystals as they went about their nefarious business? I am above such childish antics!

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    4. Re:Anyone else find that quote hilarious? by syousef · · Score: 3, Funny

      So shut up and discuss the interesting stuff we have know now :D

      Is that what they call quasi quasi moderation?

      That's cwazsy.

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    5. Re:Anyone else find that quote hilarious? by dwater · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "We are absolutely sure that this structure should have properties that are not usual,' Mikhael says, because materials with odd structures almost always do."

      Right. What kind of logic does this guy use?

      "We are absolutely sure it should have 'something'... because ... others almost always do..."

      "We're...100%....80%....60%..." Add a few more even 'less certain' words, like "surely", "perhaps", "maybe" and the confidence in his assertion would have dropped from 100% certainty all the way to 0% certainty in a single sentence.

      I mean, hedging your bets or what? This guy should be a politician.

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    6. Re:Anyone else find that quote hilarious? by Artuir · · Score: 5, Funny

      I for one welcome our shark-toting Fibonacci based Hitler laser fiends, you insensitive clod!

    7. Re:Anyone else find that quote hilarious? by omnichad · · Score: 3, Funny

      And it would have worked too, if it weren't for the dupes (on Slashdot).

    8. Re:Anyone else find that quote hilarious? by Firehed · · Score: 4, Funny

      In Soviet Russia, insensitive sharks tote Fibonacci, you Hitler-based laser crystal!

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    9. Re:Anyone else find that quote hilarious? by crovira · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No.

      But the Fibonacci sequence is fascinating.

      This material is definitely odd. (Lets hope it can be related down atomic scale.)

      The reason it makes a good insulator is the Fibonacci gaps. They make for discrete jumps like quantum jumps because there is no smooth path for electron 'energy bands' to follow.

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  2. A truckload of beads for your stock options! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hey, it has worked before...

  3. Re:Quasy-quasycrossbreeds by SilentBob0727 · · Score: 2, Funny

    That was the first thing I thought of too.

    quasiquasicrystals, then quasiquasicrystalcrystals, then quasicrystalcrystalquasicrystalquasis...

    You're dealing with forces beyond your understanding....

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  4. Re:Quasy-quasycrossbreeds by silentcoder · · Score: 2, Funny

    Apparently... that would be ALL forces then ? :p

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  5. In the old days... by Moryath · · Score: 3, Funny

    we used to just split hairs.

    Now we split crystals. And get quasicrystals. Which were supposed to be unusual.

    And now we have quasi-quasicrystals. And then they're "not usual."

    And next we can get something somewhere between a quasicrystal and a quasiquasicrystal.

    I'd rather hear about what interesting/new discoveries come out of this strange material than just hear about the possibility of its existence.

    In 10 years' time you'll be hearing about the quasiquasiquasiquasiquasiquasiquasiquasiquasicrystal, but we still won't know what the heck to do with them.

    "We are absolutely sure that this structure should have properties that are not usual," Mikhael says, because materials with odd structures almost always do. Now they just have to figure out what those properties are.

    Property #1: the ability to endow a grad student with his PhD and a sizable chunk of grant money.

    1. Re:In the old days... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      For an example of a practical use, Teflon is a quasicrystal. I read somewhere that they tend to be slippery.

    2. Re:In the old days... by Lars+T. · · Score: 2, Funny

      For an example of a practical use, Teflon is a quasicrystal. I read somewhere that they tend to be slippery.

      So these Quasi-Quasi-Crystals (TM) will send us down a slippery slope?

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    3. Re:In the old days... by Kingrames · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm stapled to my desk chair, you insensitive clod!

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  6. Possibilities by moteyalpha · · Score: 3, Funny

    I could be a random resistance element that could be used as a random number seed. Or it could be the mythical room temperature non-conductor.

  7. First one is easy! by yellowstone · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now they just have to figure out what those properties are.

    1) Does it taste like chicken?

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  8. "found" or "constructed" by ulash · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Which one is it? The summary needs to make up its mind. Either it is something that occurs naturally (and TFA seems to suggest otherwise) in which case it would be "found" or it is something cooked up in a lab which would make it "constructed".

    1. Re:"found" or "constructed" by renoX · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Both!

      Maybe you should read TFA: it was both found and constructed, found because they didn't expect it, constructed because it's not something which occurs naturally.

    2. Re:"found" or "constructed" by Lars+T. · · Score: 2, Funny

      Both!

      Maybe you should read TFA: it was both found and constructed, found because they didn't expect it, constructed because it's not something which occurs naturally.

      Isn't the word for that "dumbfound"?

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  9. I have by Konster · · Score: 2, Funny

    I have isolated a compound in my lab. I call it the Politiquasicrystal. I have determined that it can bend the truth with no expenditure of energy.

    1. Re:I have by Exitar · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's nothing compared to my iQuasicrystal and its Reality Distortion Field.

  10. New meme by Misanthrope · · Score: 3, Funny

    Almost but not entirely unlike crystal?

    1. Re:New meme by nospam007 · · Score: 4, Funny

      It can be used to build a machine making something almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea.

  11. Plastic beads, like you make a necklace out of? by AlienIntelligence · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, for those that didn't RTFA, I did for
    you... and no... they didn't go to a piece
    goods shop and buy a sack of necklace beads.

    FTA:
    To simplify matters, the team set out to create a quasicrystal from micron-sized plastic beads called colloidal particles.

    For those unfamiliar with colloidals, it is
    from the Greek work kolla, meaning glue as the
    first colloids were just that. Particulate size
    is such that surface area is greater than volume
    thus the particulates tend not to settle from
    gravity.

    They're pretty useful in everyday life. Some
    common items would be some aerosol sprays,
    shotcrete for your pool out back and the yummy
    emulsion, mayonnaise!

    These in TFA however are just micron sized beads
    of plastic.

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  12. Re:Penrose tiling? by whyloginwhysubscribe · · Score: 5, Funny

    They don't exist anymore - they got bought out by Hawking's Bathrooms in 2004.

  13. Paraphrasing TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    We'd like to study these crystals, but we require more vespene gas!

  14. Re:Penrose tiling? by feranick · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Because it's one of the several possible tiling, and it's not exclusive. In other words, there are other tilings that fit specific type of quasicrystals. There is no reason to pick Penrose's one. What has been found in TFA, is more general. In fact the tiling in this system is very different from any other, since it is somewhat an hybrid between a conventional quasicrystal and a crystal. Why are you all so obsessed with Penrose's tiling?

  15. Re:Quasy-quasycrossbreeds by Lord+Lode · · Score: 2, Funny

    Uh, mi fyngers hyt the wrong kei whyle tipyng!

  16. Bill and Ted-ism's by Reecie · · Score: 2, Funny

    "That was non- non-non non-heinous!"

  17. cheap shot by arkarumba · · Score: 2, Funny

    Thats almost but not entirely unlike a meme.

  18. Re:ANKOS? by oodaloop · · Score: 2, Informative

    Every other reference to Wolfram on /. seems to be rather derogatory. He's seen as stealing others' ideas and shamelessly self-promoting. His "A New Kind of Science", at 1200 pages, was self-published and unedited. For these reasons and others, he doesn't seem to have the highest reputation, though despite it all I found ANKOS pretty amazing.

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