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Americans Refusing To Wait For Mainstream EVs

hazehead writes "The growing trend of folks refusing to wait for big-car manufacturers to deliver mainstream electric vehicles is starting to get some press. From DIY tinkerers in Atlanta trying to keep money from going overseas (or simply from leaving their wallets) to a guy in Oregon building an open source Civic conversion kit, Americans are taking energy policy in their own grease-stained hands."

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  1. Re:Still doesnt solve jack by k_187 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd imagine that getting the power from sources that are many times more efficient is still better than waiting on a magic bullet that will solve things completely.

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  2. yes it does by thermian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If we move our transport systems over to electricity, then change the way we generate that electricity, it does a great deal.

    Also, its a hell of a lot easier to control emissions from power stations then it is to control millions of cars pouring exhaust fumes into the air in cities.

    Its going to take a while to get the somewhat large number of nuclear power stations and solar power farms the US now wants up and running, but it is going to happen, and when it does, things will get a lot better.

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    1. Re:yes it does by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's 40 miles per journey, since you are can charge at both ends, and if you are commuting an 80 mile a day round trip then you should seriously consider moving house or job, since it means you're likely to be spending at least two hours driving a day, which is a waste of energy and a waste of your time.

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  3. Re:Still doesnt solve jack by eht · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually it does help a little. Pollution can be better controlled at a single point than at many thousands of points. Economies of scale can also be implemented.

    There are a myriad of other problems that arise, 10 years down the line you'll need a new set of batteries and what do you do with the old ones?

  4. Highly Irregular by John+Hasler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > Americans are taking energy policy in their own grease-stained hands.

    Don't worry. The regulators will put a stop to it. Can't have people going around doing things without permission.

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  5. Coal is better. by tjstork · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would posit that electrical power from coal to drive electric cars would ultimately be cheaper for consumers, better for the environment, and would place on a better path to national energy independence.

    It is far more efficient to have a single big plant burning electricity and sending electrons to people rather than having everyone around with their own little tiny power plants. A single giant coal plant has a generator that runs at a fixed rate, maximizing power output for fuel burned, whereas an internal combustion engine car operates over a wide range of RPMs, offering more of a compromise than a fuel solution.

    The single giant plant is only one physical distribution point for many cars. Instead of having fleets of tanker trucks with hundreds of people hauling fuel around to dozens of gas stations, you instead have a single train run by one or two people hauling up to a month's supply of coal for a big coal unit and in one single trip.

    If we did switch to electric cars, even if they did come from coal plants, you would also eliminate the environment problem of gasoline spills. There's nothing to "spill" in an electric car that is really bad. Yes, you will wind up with either lead acid batteries that are environment nightmare, or, lithium polymer batteries that periodically explode and kill everyone in the car, but ultimately, the birds will sing and trees will wave their branches in joy, if that's the sort of stuff you like.

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  6. Not true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    EVs are way more frugal with their power compared to gasoline engines. So much so, that even taking into account loss in transmission lines and energy lost in charging batteries, you still come out ahead. I'll take an extra $100 on my electric bill than at the gas station any day... plus I don't have to make a special trip to 'fill up' the car.

    Gas engines are at best about 30% efficient... as in only 30% of the energy consumed actually goes to making momentum for moving the car.

    This is just more BS perpetuated by those who stand to lose their income streams from oil, including car mfgs who stand to lose the income stream of spare parts, since EVs are waaaaay more reliable than gas or diesel engines.

    I can't wait until somebody finally gets around to making a full EV car that seats two with ABS and Airbags, PS, Heat and AC, even if it only goes 100 miles. If they can do it under $25k I'm there with cash in hand.

  7. Very wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Common argument, but so very wrong, because producing electricity in large power plants, even from really disastrous ones as coal or oil, is very much more efficient than producing it in millions of small engines.
    Subsequently adding cleaning solutions is also very much simpler/cheaper than doing the same to millions of small engines.
    And later changing the production from one system (say coal or oil) to another (say nuclear, wind or solar) is very much simpler than to replace millions of cars.

  8. Re:Still doesnt solve jack by Lostlander · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think this is a great point waiting on the perfect solution means waiting forever. Increase the population of electric cars then increase the amount of renewable resource power generators. If the price of electricity skyrockets due to high demand the cost comparison of renewable vs nonrenewable resources begins to tip heavily in favor of renewable power sources. In addition the idea of a self fueling partially solar powered vehicle becomes much more desirable.

    Why stop and recharge as often if you can just put solar panels on the car and increase your miles per watt. Once the general public sees the value in not wasting the constant barrage of energy (from the sun) we receive everyday we might just start the trend we are looking for.

  9. Re:Heh. by dontPanik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If they really want to do something they're better off protesting.

    Personally I have much more respect for the man that takes matters into his own hands, than the one who just yells and whines.

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