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Vint Cerf Optimistic About Internet's Future, Continued Innovation

Anti-Globalism takes us to The Observer for an article by Vint Cerf on how far the internet has come, and how much can still be accomplished through its development. Cerf says, "We're nearing the tipping point for mobile computing to deliver timely, geographically and socially relevant information. Researchers in Japan recently proposed using data from vehicles' windscreen wipers and embedded GPS receivers to track the movement of weather systems through towns and cities with a precision never before possible. It may seem academic, but understanding the way severe weather, such as a typhoon, moves through a city could save lives. Further exploration can shed light on demographic, intellectual and epidemiological phenomena, to name just a few areas."

35 comments

  1. One side effect. by russotto · · Score: 4, Funny

    As long as there's fairly few data sources, you could get the butterfly effect writ small -- a butterfly smashing into my windshield causes me to activate my wipers, resulting in a prediction of a thunderstorm in Philadelphia.

    1. Re:One side effect. by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      I suspect that they will call off that as being under the noise level.

      And even then they will also need to detect not only if they are on, but also the amount of water they are removing. This is a more interesting thing to analyze since the friction between glass and rubber also comes into play.

      One factor that may be more of concern is if someone has made a mistake with their lawn watering system, because then every car passing by will turn on their wipers - and you will have a local rain.

      But even then I also suspect that they will correlate this with the precipitation radar and see that there is in fact no rain in the area.

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    2. Re:One side effect. by bbagnall · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Cerf can be optimistic about future innovation with the Internet as long as we don't do something stupid like government regulated net-neutrality. That will only stifle innovation, as Bob Kahn and other Internet pioneers have pointed out. In other words, as long as Cerf ignores his own advice we will all be fine.

    3. Re:One side effect. by st33med · · Score: 2, Funny

      *Activates windscreen wipers to make the scientists angry and mispredict the weather*

  2. They'd better mandate it by law... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
    I mean, they keep coming up with all these nifty ideas to install/implate GPS this and that to track weather, people, kids and tater tots...

    They will probably have to mandate that you cannot alter them in anyway, 'cause I fully intend to disable them all.

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    1. Re:They'd better mandate it by law... by Z00L00K · · Score: 2, Funny

      Just remove the battery and you will be fine. Add a tin foil hat to be sure.

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    2. Re:They'd better mandate it by law... by Gyga · · Score: 1

      Remove my car battery? just cut off the antenna.

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    3. Re:They'd better mandate it by law... by cmacb · · Score: 1

      They will probably have to mandate that you cannot alter them in anyway, 'cause I fully intend to disable them all.

      Where's the fun in that?

      Making them report totally bogus information, now that has potential!

  3. TFA is BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    as if there really is someone named "Vint Cerf"

  4. Rain sensing has been done by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative

    Back in the late 1970s, Bell Labs put several hundred direct-wired rain sensors around Murray Hill, NJ. (This isn't hard when you're the phone company.) They could then make "movies" of the patterns of rain when storms went through. This resulted in cute pictures, but didn't provide any predictive value, so it was dropped.

    Oh well.

    1. Re:Rain sensing has been done by Wandering+Wombat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Of course. Trying an idea MORE than once, after nearly four decades of unprecedented technological advancement and innovation, has always proven a waste of time in the past.

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    2. Re:Rain sensing has been done by ksd1337 · · Score: 1

      You forgot the sarcasm tags.

    3. Re:Rain sensing has been done by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      It's understandable for the point that it was on a very small area, but scaled up to a national area the idea isn't really bad.

      But we actually have this today, but by using other kinds of technology - weather satellites and image processing.

      I suspect that the real point there wasn't really the sensor network but the ability to actually collect and process the information in a meaningful way. Today we do that on a daily basis, but back then it was to test a concept.

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    4. Re:Rain sensing has been done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      ... because it's not sarcasm if it isn't tagged as such.

    5. Re:Rain sensing has been done by The_Wilschon · · Score: 2, Funny

      You forgot the sarcasm tags. Again.

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  5. Always bet against techno utopians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    People change technology. Technology does not change people.

    Sounds like the same lambs being lead to bubbly slaughter after they read something in Wired that is going to transform the world. They just lose their money.

    All these supposed benefits of ubiqituous monitoring will pale in comparison to the big brother aspects.

    These gps systems will be automatically issuing speeding tickets before they save a sinlge life in a storm.

    Monitoring "intellectual phenomena" will be used to track political opponents before it scheds light on the human condition.

    Monitoring "epidemiological phenomena" will mean constant drug testing or social engineering of every individual before tracking a real communicable disease.

    1. Re:Always bet against techno utopians by thrillseeker · · Score: 4, Funny

      People change technology. Technology does not change people.

      Uh huh. I always use my gmail system to create a letter, print it to a PDF, print that on my laser printer, take it over to the roll top desk, light some candles, get the quill pen and ink bottle out, and calligraph my "me too" letter, which I then place in a parchment envelope, seal with some wax, get the horse out fo the barn and saddle him, kiss the family goodbye, load up for bear, and trek 15 miles through the woods to the nearest post office, stopping by the general store for a brew each way. Some guy, who doesn't look at all like Kevin Costner, adds it at the post office to his pile, hitches his spare horses in trail, and rides to the other coast, at great risk. There he hands the parchement off to the next outbound freighter, which eventually, through a myriad of events worthy of a Neal Stephenson length novel, eventually delivers said prose to a Mr. Michael Phelps in Beijing China ... Dear Michael ... great job on the gold medals ... watched it all in high def on the flatscreen ... thanks for waiting around in China for a month to read my letter (those steam ships sure make life move fast these days, eh) ... can't let technology change us you know ... please make an effort to not just click send on your emails either, but do it the way we've always done it ... thanks ...

    2. Re:Always bet against techno utopians by Timothy+Brownawell · · Score: 1

      Technology does not change people.

      Yes it does, it's called the "greater internet fuckwad theory".

  6. Quality vs. qantity by BitterOldGUy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have no doubts that its social repercussions will take decades to be fully understood, but it has already done much to benefit the world. It has provided access to information on a scale never before imaginable, lowered the barriers to creative expression, challenged old business models and enabled new ones.

    Is it just me or does the quality of the content seam to be spiraling down?

    Whenever I do a Google search on anything, I find that I have to wade through pages of garbage, redundant pages and downright copies, advertisements, and pages authored by folks with very little, if any, knowledge of the subject. What is it that you engineers call it? Signal to noise ratio?

    I think the next big web app is going to be a filter.

    1. Re:Quality vs. qantity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's Captain Obvious, Inventor of the Internet, to you!

    2. Re:Quality vs. qantity by boto · · Score: 1

      I think the next big web app is going to be a filter.

      What about a sarch engine that has an algorithm to sort the results and show the most relevant ones first?

      Oh, wait.

    3. Re:Quality vs. qantity by city · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah? Well back when I started using the internet... HEY! Get off my lawn!

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  7. Continued Innovation For Whom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "We're nearing the tipping point for mobile computing to deliver timely, geographically and socially relevant information."

      to the military-industrial-Congressional complex.

    Cordially,
    K. Trout

  8. Bring back the old net by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When most people weren't on it and it was still cool.

  9. Double edged sword by plopez · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Don't forget that easy transfer of information also implies easy transfer of disinformation.

    Lies, propaganda, marketing, causing panics, etc. could all be caused by a well coordinated information hack.

    The swift boaters and Fox news are two examples of this, but as information flow and connectivity increases I predict more vulnerability to this sort of attack on good information. Without good information neither democracies nor markets can operate effectively.

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    1. Re:Double edged sword by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both of those examples are from T.V., which is far better for propaganda purposes because it is a one-way means of communication. The internet is different in that you can both send and receive messages. So while there's a lot of junk, there's also plenty of people objecting to it and plenty of different sources to pick from. Plus it's made censorship practically impossible.

      I wouldn't be so pessimistic.

  10. Tipping point... by PietjeJantje · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We're reaching another tipping point. For example, if you live in the UK, you got the EU internet data retention directive, National ID program, Integrated communications records database, National DNA database, Vehicle movements database, Enhanced CRB database, PNR database, Bank record and credit card monitoring databases, etc. etc.

    We're at a tipping point where our privacy is not only taken away completely, but gives way to complete, total control.

    In this case, I think it's relevant to mention that Vint Cerf, despite all his legandary accomplishments, is now an ad broker who makes a living by selling your privacy. That billions are involved and that the company he works for prefers profit over privacy and human rights (e.g. China). And that Vint failed to mention this in his optimism.

    1. Re:Tipping point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looks like your man George Orwell really nailed it, didn't he? He didn't predict the Internet, but he did forecast the vast police state communications and control system that the Internet makes possible. Just a little bit off on the date.

    2. Re:Tipping point... by DanJ_UK · · Score: 1

      V for vendetta!

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  11. Even more obvious by UncleWilly · · Score: 1

    Saving their lives is easy, tell them to stop driving in typhoons.

  12. Self-contradicting article by klapaucjusz · · Score: 1

    He starts by saying he'll violate the Observer style guide, and then he doesn't.

  13. little willy from philly by game+kid · · Score: 2, Funny

    a butterfly smashing into my windshield causes me to activate my wipers, resulting in a prediction of a thunderstorm in Philadelphia.

    My car did ONE little wipe and my mom got scared and said, "you're movin' with your auntie and uncle in Bel-Air."

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  14. 33 comments? Gotta love it. by v(*_*)vvvv · · Score: 1

    No one here is taking this man and his article seriously, and here might be why.

    1. No one knows him.

    2. ICANN is not something I'd brag about, considering how it created huge chaos, and profit motivated change at every step of every decision making process. Multilingual domain support is a joke, at least in Japan, where it basically NEVER HAPPENED. It was suppose to happen, they sold millions of domains, but it didn't happen, so they had to make a plugin instead. Now the plugin is standard on IE, but who cares, ICANN failed all the same.

    3. Space net access, online fridge, and browser surf board. The examples he bases his vision of the future are quite lame, if not the fossils from the IT bubble earlier this decade. How many people are going to space anytime soon? Hasn't the computer-in-the-kitchen already killed the please-embed-a-computer-in-my-fridge crowd? And surfers are really going to surf the web while waiting for waves. The last I checked, they hardly even surf the web at home, and they'd be glad to turn in their computers for a good day at the beach.