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AMD's OverDrive and CrossFire Come To Linux

twljagflba writes "Since last year AMD has made ATI increasingly Linux friendly by releasing 3D programming guides and helping out the open-source community. At the same time they have been continuing to develop their binary Catalyst driver for the Linux platform and most recently they delivered same-day support for their new graphics cards. Today though they have released the Catalyst 8.8 Linux driver that adds two very important features: CrossFire and OverDrive support for Linux. Linux users are now able to use CrossFire to split the rendering workload between multiple GPUs and they're also able to overclock their graphics cards now using the binary-only driver. Phoronix has a complete run-down on both features — including benchmarks — in their AMD OverDrive on Linux and ATI Radeon CrossFire On Linux articles. Other features were also introduced in this update such as Linux 2.6.26 kernel support, Adaptive Anti-Aliasing, and other fixes."

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  1. Awesome! by PC+and+Sony+Fanboy · · Score: 4, Funny

    GREAT! Now I can play ... uh ... well, someone can make some visually awesome (exclusive) games that I can play for linux!

    YOTLD FTW!

    1. Re:Awesome! by edlinfan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Y'know, games aren't the only things that benefit from powerful video acceleration. I use my linux box for 3d modeling -- if I had crossfire-compliant cards, you can bet I would be downloading this software right now.

    2. Re:Awesome! by QuantumRiff · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Id Games? I've been enjoying Enemy Territory: Quake Wars for a long time on Ubuntu. (although the newest Ubuntu 8.04's pulseaudio seems to have broken the Microphone part of the audio, not Id's fault)

      Besides, you can always right your own rendered 3d version of Soduko!

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    3. Re:Awesome! by mweather · · Score: 2

      If you're judging on exclusives only, Windows doesn't look all that attractive either.

  2. And on Windows? by MBCook · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've got to say I'm disappointed they don't provide Crossfire numbers for the same hardware on Windows. It's nice that Crossfire can improve things in some situations and some games that are supported under Linux, but I'd like to know the relative benefit.

    That is, when going to Crossfire do both Windows and Linux gain 40 FPS? Or do they both go up 60%? Or does Windows go up by 70% to 100 FPS where Linux only goes up 40% to 80 FPS?

    How close are they? That's what I'd like to know.

    I also find the "we had no problems except for some segfaults during Quake Wars, and they say that will be fixed in a month or two with the next version" a little worrying. A problem with a driver is a game looking off, or having slow frame rates. Segfaulting the system is not a problem, it's a BIG PROBLEM.

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    1. Re:And on Windows? by binarylarry · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's completely wrong.

      OpenGL supports all the latest features of graphics hardware. Some of the features are ARB extensions and the like, but you can do anything in OpenGL that you could do in Direct3d.

      Do you honestly think id would be developing their next gen titles with OpenGL, if OpenGL was a crippled shadow of d3d might? No, OpenGL is comparable. OpenGL's main problem is that its really, really crufty because it supports every feature known to man, things Direct3d doesn't. Unfortunately, most of these things are very old.

      OpenGL fixes that problem by cleaning up the API. That's what all the bitching was about last week when Khoronos announced the new specs. All the newbies were bitching about how certain extensions weren't moved to core, which doesn't matter in a practical sense anyway.

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  3. Nice by ByOhTek · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's nice to see they are providing both their own driver implementation AND the specs for OSS drivers.

    Once the OSS drivers are done, then even within the realm AMD cards, users will still have some choice.

    At least in Linux. Us FreeBSD users will have the OSS only...

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    1. Re:Nice by larry+bagina · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's funny, isn't it... all the GPL/GNU zealots talk shit about Freedom, but it's the BSD folks that quietly have the principles.

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    2. Re:Nice by neuro88 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's funny, isn't it... all the GPL/GNU zealots talk shit about Freedom, but it's the BSD folks that quietly have the principles.

      What? You're saying this because there are no proprietary radeon drivers for BSD? What about the closed source nvidia drivers? There aren't any proprietary radeon drivers for BSD, because AMD/ATI feel BSD doesn't have enough users to be important, not because of the principles of the BSD folks.

    3. Re:Nice by fostware · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, and look who's principled code accounts for a metric truckload of commercial code.

      Windows 2000's TCP stack became reliable once they inserted large chunks of BSD code to get things done. And all BSD gets back is FUD.

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  4. great by extirpater · · Score: 3, Funny

    my shell will run a lot faster! i'm wondering my "ls" performance.

  5. Really? by jgtg32a · · Score: 4, Funny

    I just went through hell and back getting my 1950pro to work last week end.

    Moral of the story hard work is never rewarded only procrastination is

    1. Re:Really? by StevisF · · Score: 2, Informative

      The motto is, "Working hard now sometimes pays off later, but procrastinating now always pays off now."

    2. Re:Really? by Loibisch · · Score: 2, Funny

      So now in your head imagine Crossfire.

      It's two cards, which with fglrx probably means twice the amount of work to get it running.

  6. Re:So wait-- by Lussarn · · Score: 2, Informative

    Nvidia still is the way to go if you want a card that works really good today. I've been using Nvidia cards like forever but now I decided to go ATI for my latest (I want to support the OSS frendliness of AMD/ATI). I bought a 4850 card. Works pretty good, but not nearly as good as Nvidia cards. No OpenGL in wine, no workspace switching when using fullscreen OpenGL apps and some other things. UT2004 works very nice though, 1680x1050 4xAA.

  7. Re:Second choice by wild_berry · · Score: 3, Informative

    2005 called and asked for their gripe back. The reputation of the most recent ATI drivers is much enhanced from what it was. And whether someone will buy nVidia, Intel or ATI graphics for Linux depends upon their preference for powerful but proprietary binaries, free software compositing and low power consumption or the choice of reasonable performance in ATI's binaries or high-performance free software from the X.Org drivers.

  8. Re:Second choice by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You are so out of date.
    ATI has made great progress and is not working with the FOSS community to produce "Free" drivers that will make even the biggest FOSS fan happy.
    I used to stick with Nvidia because of their Linux support. My next box is probably going to have ATI all the way.

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  9. Re:Second choice by siride · · Score: 2, Informative

    Thank you. I have an x300 in a Thinkpad T43 and while the first year was rough, the OSS drivers have improved markedly. 2d performance is nearly on par with Windows, and is actually quite snappy with xcompmgr running. Compiz is also fairly fast these days, although still slower than a plain old desktop. X is rock solid stable, even using git for the entire X setup (I haven't had a random server crash once). And every week or so, I see a new set of commits that improve performance for r300 or EXA. It just keeps getting better. Meanwhile, I see people on forums complaining about how to get nVidia drivers working, and how the kernel is always locking up etc. Granted, it's not a whole lot worse or better than fglrx generally has been, but for nVidia users, that's really the only option. The OSS drivers are either horribly out of date (nv) or a work in progress (nouveau). I am now glad that I ended up with an ATI card instead of nVidia. It was worth the wait.

  10. Re:Second choice by j3tt · · Score: 2, Informative

    I used to have problems with a mobility Radeon on my Thinkpad T40 a couple of years ago but things may have changed ... I currently have Ubuntu Hardy on a Thinkpad T60 with an ATI x1300. compiz ran out of the box. Have not had issues so far.

  11. Re:ATI drivers by IBBoard · · Score: 2, Informative

    Strange. On average I've had two Linux and ATI experiences:

    1) Download pre-built RPMs from Livna. Install using package manager. Restart and go.

    2) Give up on waiting for Livna to make new releases. Download drivers from ATI. Compile using built-in "Fedora X" version. Install RPMs. Let RPMs reconfigure my XOrg.conf properly (or just change "radeon" to "fglrx" by hand, because that's all it seems to need). Run with graphical acceleration without a problem.

    The only time I've had a problem is with Fedora 9, and that's just because they're using XOrg server 1.5, which hasn't reached a final release and so isn't supported. That just involved one quick check on the Fedora forums and a downgrade of XOrg to the one shipped with F8.

  12. Re:Second choice by h4rm0ny · · Score: 2, Informative


    You're joking? I got a HD2600Pro at the end of last year. 3D was still problematic back then, but the 2D ran very well. By this point, it has excellent support. The turn around this year so far has been enormous. I'd definitely recommend ATI cards as having the best support in Linux now because as well as a good (and regular) update program, you have the OSS projects running in parallel. They are also the most OSS friendly graphics card company and I bought ATI rather than NVIDIA for that reason, likewise it's what I recommend to others. ATI, definitely. You're very out of date with your information.

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