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Compact Disc Turns 26, Has a Bright Future

javipas writes "The Compact Disc was created 26 years ago, but apparently it is as healthy as 15 years ago, when computing versions of this format (CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW) made the market explode. Nowadays CD has been replaced in some segments, but not on the music industry, that continues to support it massively. The shy return of vinyl and the absence of real competitors make CD's future very bright, so it seems this birthday will not be by any means the last one we celebrate. Happy birthday!"

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  1. Absence of real competitors by p3d0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...except mp3s...

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    1. Re:Absence of real competitors by Kamokazi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Basically....there's no competition because it would be pointless to waste money on a new physical media format with the primary intent of content distribution.

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    2. Re:Absence of real competitors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sadly greed killed off DVD-Audio and SA-CD.

      They could be the standard today, offering a real benefit over MP3s being shared online, but they're nowhere. Presumably that's because the licensing fees were too high, and then the media was too expensive on top.

      So CDs it is.

    3. Re:Absence of real competitors by MilesAttacca · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Forget not the humble 8-track tape! I have a few hundred of them (before you call me old, examine my UID...I'm 17). For tapes that were made in the age of "disposable music" up to 40 years ago, and as early as 20 years ago, they've really held up to the test of time. And unlike digital, a scratch can't ruin the entire product; at 3 and 3/4 inches of tape per second, minor blemishes don't matter and you can even cut out and resplice segments of tape as needed when a tape does get "eaten" by its player. That being said, my music collection is a healthy mix of 8-tracks, cassettes, vinyl, CDs, and of course several thousand MP3s.

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    4. Re:Absence of real competitors by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, for starters, most studios don't even use the full dynamic range of CD, so DVD-Audio or SA-CD are kind of a waste... they'd just compress the audio to make it sound loud and we'd be in the same boat that we are with CDs.

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    5. Re:Absence of real competitors by FLEB · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I suspect you would still have the same apathetic response that HD disc media did (where "BluRay and HD-DVD fought it out, and SD-DVD won"), where the increase in quality isn't dramatic or important enough to warrant the move to a new media, new players, and (often) new DRM. The future is not in another 12cm disc media-- 12cm disc players for current formats are widely owned, a wide base of tools exists to work with the formats-- even CSSed DVD, and the quality is more than adequate for all but those who spend more time analyzing sound than listening to it.

      I suppose multi-channel audio could be one exception, although that still would struggle to make it out of a niche. It's a matter of relatively few multichannel PCs and stereo systems versus an overwhelming base of stereo receivers, players, boom-boxes, and portables.

      If anything, the evolution of media is going to focus on physical form factor, deliverability, and perhaps durability. Sound quality is a finished game-- the challenge is now convenience and usability.

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    6. Re:Absence of real competitors by Random+Destruction · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, I tend to play my music more than I walk on it. CDs dont get eaten, don't stretch, don't get overwritten or demagnetized, etc.

      But by all means, keep walking on your good ol' tapes

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    7. Re:Absence of real competitors by Kjella · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Run a cassette over with a truck, tape any broken sections back together and re-spool it, that thing's fine.

      Maybe the problem is that it sounds no worse?

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    8. Re:Absence of real competitors by philicorda · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You are forgetting...

      When DAT first appeared, there were no cheap CD burners.
      You either mastered to 1/4 inch tape or to cassette.

      DAT was incredibly useful to studios and production houses as:
      It was high quality.
      Literally identical backup copies became possible.
      The media was cheap.
      Some players supported timecode so you could sync to picture or vice versa.
      Up to 180 minutes of recording time, about three times longer than a CD. Or 6 hours in LP mode.

      It was a revolution at the time. The only alternative was some horrible lash up with video recorders and A/D converters that I don't really want to remember. Or early computer digital, which mostly sounded awful, was unreliable, and you'd still have to archive to magnetic tape or optical WORM drives as hard drives were tiny and expensive.

    9. Re:Absence of real competitors by rgviza · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, you end up with an average dynamic range of 4db (maybe 3db by now?) with most popular music. The medium is capable of 90db(usable) at 16 bit. The dynamic range is there when it leaves the studio for the mastering desk; that's where people who care nothing about sound quality, but have all the money, pencil whip the mastering engineers into ruining it with extreme overcompression in the name of being "competitively loud". The mastering engineers have to make a living so the grudgingly comply, despite knowing it's pure stupidity. They have to pay their mortgage right?

      Hopefully with the downfall of the recording "industry" and the rise of independent studio work this trend gets reversed.

      >they'd just compress the audio to make it sound loud and we'd be in the same boat that we are with CDs.
      yup...

      Sad. We have the capability to sound *better* than a 1 inch tape deck and we toss that 20db advantage out with the garbage.

      The worst part is a properly mastered recording sounds just as loud as an overcompressed one on the radio, only it has dynamics and sounds better. The radio stations apply their own compression to even things out. This works with the overcompression on the CD to completely ruin it.

      It boggles the mind... The result: music radio stations are switching to talk radio format in droves, because nobody will listen to music on the radio. I wonder why...

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    10. Re:Absence of real competitors by delete+X · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You can use cannabis to have this "rare exceptions" The music sounds great!

  2. The audio CD will not go away for a while.... by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    More and More car stereos, even factory stereos will play from an ipod or better yet a usb memory device filled with mp3 music. In fact Clarion recently released 2 new car stereos that cant play a CD, only digital memory formats.

    I see the CD going away slowly as digital downloads become more and more popular, but that is completely dependent on DRM going away. I have enough friends and customers that are pissed at itunes DRM right now that they will not buy another song.

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    1. Re:The audio CD will not go away for a while.... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Remember, though, that compute power is also cheap and getting cheaper. FLAC isn't a good choice for anybody's 2gig jogging mp3 player; but buying FLAC and producing compressed versions for your space constrained devices, as needed, is fairly practical. It would even be easy enough to have the process happen automatically in the background; just assign an optimal supported format and desired quality for each device, and let the sync process produce whatever compressed copies it needs.

      I don't know if anybody has made this task droolproof at the consumer level; but I've seen menu options pertaining to it in Amarok, and anybody with the slightest script-fu can obviously do it with a few minutes effort.

  3. Cost of production and ease of "lockdown" by Lucid+3ntr0py · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think Cds have remained so popular because they're cheap to make, small enough to be convient, and simple to lock down.

    Why shouldn't we switch over to flashdrives? They're even better than CDs(smaller,more space, very cheap and getting cheaper,can't scratch)But they're easier to modify. It's hard for the average user to jailbreak/mod a CD. Not so much for new forms of media.

    Although the hyper vigilance of Blu-Ray firmware updates may seem to contradict me...

  4. 26th? by Spankophile · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Who the hell celebrates a "26th" anniversary?

  5. Explain this to me. by scorp1us · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You used to have to buy writable 650Mg CDs for $1. Now you can get a gig of flash, near infinitely rewritable for $7. Impervious to scratches, can survive several trips through the washer, and have fast read/write speeds. I cannot understand how TFA is so optimistic. When CDs came out, it would take weeks to download a full CD, now I can download a 720p torrent in an few hours. My HDDVD player has a Ethernet jack... so how long until we stop spinning discs and start slinging bits?

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    1. Re:Explain this to me. by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You used to have to buy writable 650Mg CDs for $1. Now you can get a gig of flash, near infinitely rewritable for $7. Impervious to scratches, can survive several trips through the washer, and have fast read/write speeds. I cannot understand how TFA is so optimistic.

      Personally, I'm not going to lend someone my flash drive.
      They're small, easy to lose (though I keep mine on a lanyard) and I have other stuff on it.

      You burn someone a CD or DVD, it doesn't take all that long, it's cheap, but most importantly, you don't expect it back. IMO, CD-Rs and DVD-Rs are disposable in a way that even a cheap flash drive is not.

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    2. Re:Explain this to me. by Thelasko · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Now you can get a gig of flash, near infinitely rewritable for $7 [newegg.com]. Impervious to scratches, can survive several trips through the washer, and have fast read/write speeds. I cannot understand how TFA is so optimistic.

      Why is there a market for paper plates when you can use ceramic ones over and over? Because you can throw it away.

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  6. Unfortunately by k31bang · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Unfortunately we can't sing Happy Birthday to the CD without paying royalties. Such a cruel world. =/

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  7. Re:CDs are cheap storage by Jason+Levine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The music industry enjoyed record CD sales during the 1990s. Those days are long gone.

    And if you listen to the RIAA, then the sole reason for that is online piracy. They always point to that peak in the 1990's as being the point that CD sales should be at (or higher) if piracy was stopped. However, it is more truthful to say that it was a temporary high point in sales and that sales dropped afterwords due to normal market forces. (Normal Market Forces including piracy, but not as the main component... probably not even as a major component.)

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  8. Ripped Off by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It may have a healthy future, but now it's severely overpriced. Initially they were expensive because it was new technology and expensive to build plants to manfacture the raw blanks, master, and press them. Over time we were promised that the price would come down drastically as the process matured. That was proven true with CD players.

    Of course that turned out to be a lie with the media itself, and prices have risen steadily while the costs of production have plummeted. And the artists will tell you that they're not getting any more money out of them in mechanical royalties than before either.

    Evidence of how badly ripped off you are in CD's is evident by the healthy profits made by DVD's which contain far more content, and cost far more to master and press, yet sell for nearly comparable prices. Until we Just Say No to overpriced music CD's we might was well just open our wallets to the recording industry and say, "Just take what you want."

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  9. Greed killed CD sales by Weaselmancer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here' an example:

    The Beatles, Hard Day's Night, the movie on DVD is twelve bucks at Best Buy. It pretty much has every song on the album in the movie. Twelve bucks.

    The Beatles, Hard Day's Night, the CD. Has all the music, none of the movie. Price? Fourteen bucks. Same thing, but on media with less scratch resistance, less storage space, and oh yeah - no movie.

    The reason why people aren't buying music is because it's not worth it. The price is artificially inflated, which makes consumers grumpy and unwilling to buy.

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    1. Re:Greed killed CD sales by Weaselmancer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      True. But still, if you follow the math the overall industry is saying that the movie has a negative value.

      In other words, the RIAA is saying the music for Hard Day's Night is worth $14. And Hollywood is saying the music plus the movie is worth $12. That would mean the movie alone is worth -2 bucks. We all know that can't be true so something else must be wrong.

      And what's wrong is the RIAA's greed. The price on the CD is artificially inflated to the point where it competes with movies. And as we all know, movies cost FAR more to make than a CD of music. Hell, with the quality of home equipment these days a decent musician working solo can bang out a seriously impressive CD worth of music in their basement. A $50k basement studio would put you in the ballpark sound-wise with most major labels anymore.

      And hell, look at the Lord of the Rings movies. Right now you can buy the entire trilogy for $25. And the movies cost $430 million to make.

      And the CD for A Hard Day's Night is selling for right around half that. I'm sure it's difficult to make an album, and The Beatles are pretty good - but I have a hard time imagining that the expense to make the CD and the money to market it compares fairly with The Lord of the Rings. If they did, that would imply that Hard Day's Night cost 430M * (14/25)=240.8M in today's dollars. To make A Hard Day's Night - if the costs matched up.

      This disparity in pricing is what puts people off and makes them not want to buy CDs.

      IMHO, a fair CD price would be about three bucks. A buck fifty goes to the artist (which by today's standards would be so generous as to seem like a fairy tale), and the other buck fifty goes to production and promotion.

      And yeah, I really mean that. That's what it's worth. Fifteen bucks for a CD is simply unbelievable. That's about twelve dollars worth of useless outdated bloat that the world simply doesn't need anymore.

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  10. Re:CDs are cheap storage by Sloppy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Online distribution is the medium of choice for that.

    You can't buy online music from a band at 1:30 am inside a bar as you drunkenly stagger and give them the ultimate praise: "You dudes rock!" But you can reach into your pocket and pull out a $10 bill (you've been doing that all night anyway as you buy beers) in exchange for a plastic box.

    CDs aren't going away yet. They, combined with T-shirts, are an important part of offsetting some bands' travel (and drinking) expenses. How can you replace that? Bring a laptop along on a night of drinking, and hope the bar has free wifi, so you can say "you dudes rock" as you peer at a little screen and give them the satisfaction of seeing you click on something, so that the band can then collect the money after they've already spent it on beer and gasoline? I don't think so.

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  11. Why no metadata with CDs? by lawaetf1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm sure it's a technical answer but why can't, with 700mb of space available, one lousy kilobyte be reserved for metadata? If older players wouldn't like it, I should think it could be "hidden" after the last track.

    It just seems silly that my CD player can't scroll the title of the track being played. Or that my computer can't pull titles and even album art without an Internet connection.

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  12. Re:It's not entirely about dynamic range... by bitrex · · Score: 5, Insightful

    DVDs allow for a higher sampling rates, so less sound is lost. The sound, as a result, is more true to the original source. Currently, DVD movies use 96,000 samples per second or higher.

    In theory a 96khz sampling rate ADC should be superior to 44.1 because it allows the anti-aliasing filter rolloff to be shifted above the range of human hearing, creating a flatter passband. In practice all modern sigma-delta DACs use oversampling, 128x, 256x, whatever the case may be. Not only does this reduce the complexity of the input analog anti-aliasing filter, but it pretty much ensures that even at a 44.1khz sampling rate the passband is essentially flat out past 20khz.

    I think the issue you have with "slow output" may have less to do with the sampling rate and more to do with the slew rate of the analog amplifiers and overall design of the DAC - on consumer equipment cost cutting measures have to be made somewhere, and the analog output circuitry is often where it happens. Op-amps with very fast slew rates and ultra-low noise, like the Burr Brown OPA series are far too expensive to use in consumer grade equipment.

    DVDs allow for a higher sampling rates, so less sound is lost. The sound, as a result, is more true to the original source. Currently, DVD movies use 96,000 samples per second or higher.

    What is "true to the original source"? If a difference can be heard at a 96khz sampling rate, then the recording has to be made on absolutely top quality recording equipment in a pristine acoustic environment. For recording jazz and classical this may make sense - but for most other genres including pop and rock the "original source" material (guitars, synths, drums etc.) have very little sonic information aside from noise above 12khz or so anyhow, and before being mastered at 96khz have probably been run through dozens or hundreds of bog-standard ICs in mixing consoles, dynamics processors, and effects. In that case it's hard to justify the sonic advantage of the last step in the chain being "true to the original source" when the sound of the original source has already been processed beyond recognition.