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Fair Use Must Be Considered In DMCA Notices

I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property writes "US District Judge Jeremy Fogel has ruled that an 'allegation that a copyright owner acted in bad faith by issuing a takedown notice without proper consideration of the fair use doctrine thus is sufficient to state a misrepresentation claim,' which paves the way for a lawsuit against Universal Music over a ridiculous DMCA Takedown notice they filed. One can only hope that this ruling will some day be used against those who file misguided copyright complaints against computer printers. Those lawyers who rely upon buggy infringement detection programs to do their thinking for them — programs which are incapable of making subjective considerations like fair use — might want to think again before rubber stamping computer-generated DMCA Takedown notices."

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  1. A Bit Tilted? by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "U.S. District Judge Jeremy Fogel has ruled that 'allegation that a copyright owner acted in bad faith by issuing a takedown notice without proper consideration of the fair use doctrine thus is sufficient to state a misrepresentation claim,' which paves the way for a lawsuit against Universal Music over a ridiculous DMCA Takedown notice they filed. One can only hope that this ruling will some day be used against those who file misguided copyright complaints against computer printers. Those lawyers who rely upon buggy infringement detection programs to do their thinking for them -- programs which are incapable of making subjective considerations like fair use -- might want to think again before rubber stamping computer-generated DMCA Takedown notices."

    Speaking of subjectivity, this summary is rife with it. Even though I agree 100% with it, I would prefer my news fed to me in the form of low grade homogeneous neutral gruel. I know it's more boring to read that way but it allows me, the reader, to form my own opinions. More importantly, it maintains that news source's credibility and will actually make the other side listen instead of instant dismissal. You're also needlessly jeopardizing those who are undecided on this issue. I think I'd rather read:

    "U.S. District Judge Jeremy Fogel has ruled that 'allegation that a copyright owner acted in bad faith by issuing a takedown notice without proper consideration of the fair use doctrine thus is sufficient to state a misrepresentation claim,' which now puts Universal Music at risk over a DMCA Takedown notice they filed. This ruling may also one day be used against those who attempt to file copyright complaints against computer printers & automated DMCA Takedown notices.

    I know Slashdot is not a true news site and is more so a news aggregater of whatever CmdrTaco feels is relevant but does anyone else get a sinking suspicion that we might look a bit biased to outsiders?

    There's no objectivity in this summary, it just assumes the reader needs to be told how to think (which is usually taken as an insult to intelligence). I just don't want Slashdot to turn into the "Fox News for Geeks, Stuffed into Your Gullet Our Way."

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    1. Re:A Bit Tilted? by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I just don't want Slashdot to turn into the "Fox News for Geeks, Stuffed into Your Gullet Our Way."

      I think you're about 11 years too late for that.

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    2. Re:A Bit Tilted? by gandhi_2 · · Score: 3
      You must be new here.

      but seriously, just because you disagree with someone doesn't make them a troll. slashdot "troll" and "flamebait" are just mod-point sensoring. I'll call it a /. takedown.

    3. Re:A Bit Tilted? by Sockatume · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Slashdot's stories almost always come about because some guy found something on the internet he feels strongly about, and submitted it to the firehose. I mean, we wouldn't have half as many stories on IP law if I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property wasn't a complete fanatic on the subject, and Slashdot be the worse for it. The way the summaries are presented makes it pretty clear that they're the editorialised version of the original, interpreted the opinions of the submitter, and I think honestly we all have the critical thinking skills required to handle that, right? It's not like the summary is downright misleading or yet another dupe.

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    4. Re:A Bit Tilted? by fm6 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't agree. Slashdot has never pretended to be objective. But there's a difference between the slanted newsgathering the editors have always done and the outright rants that they've been doing lately.

      One difference is the blogosphere. Slashdot stories used to be mostly summaries of (and links to) stories on serious news site. Now there are thousands of angry, self-righteous blogs out there, and they all have have "Submit to Slashdot" buttons. The editors often pass these submissions on with little or no editing (in particular, they rarely double check the blogger's assertions) and end up posting a lot of very subjective opinions as if they're established fact.

      Plus, many editors seem to have been infected by the Howard Beale attitude of the blogosphere, and feel compelled to add their own ill-informed little rants.

    5. Re:A Bit Tilted? by spun · · Score: 5, Funny

      Interesting side note, 'high' is a synonym for 'stoned,' while 'end' is a synonym for 'asshole.' And 'thinker' just means 'someone who doesn't do shit, but talks a lot.' I definitely think Slashdot is a community of high end thinkers.

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    6. Re:A Bit Tilted? by RanCossack · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ever eat a nice steak? mmm tasty. Ever try eating the turds the next morning? Not quite as good, is it?

      I'm 100% willing to take your word for it.

    7. Re:A Bit Tilted? by Sockatume · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not saying that the editorialision of news, as a general phenomenon, is acceptable. To elaborate my reasoning:

      1) Slashdot will inevitably receive summaries written by people who engage strongly with the subject matter. Those people are unlikely to write neutrally.

      2) It is immediately obvious that in the summary we are receiving the submitter's editorialised version of the events. There is no facade of neutrality or objectivity in an IP law post that starts "I Don't Believe In Imaginary Property writes:"

      3) There is an expectation of factual accuracy in a Slashdot summary. Outright lying with regards to the content of the article is not acceptable in any case. Fortunately that is not true here.

      4) A non-editorialised, neutral version of events is usually provided by the story itself, a mere mouse click away, assuming it is not a blog or some other editorial article. Given that said story contains the news we're actually after, it seems to me inevitable that even the most credulous reader would be dissolusioned of any false assumptions they made on the basis of an editorialised summary.

      To get down to brass tacks: I never read a Slashdot summary an expect it to be neutral and free of editorialisation, any more than I would expect a blog post to be. Everything from the way stories are gathered at the back end to the way they're written on the front page makes it obvious that this is not the case. Even if you argue that all news sources (even Slashdot summaries) should come with an expectation of neutrality and objectivity it seems obvious to me that it's in an entirely different kingdom of bias than the likes of Fox News.

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  2. Too soon to celebrate by boaz112358 · · Score: 3, Informative

    FTFA: 'Still, Judge Fogel said he had "considerable doubt that Lenz will be able to prove that Universal acted with subjective bad faith" when it sent YouTube the takedown notice.' If I were a betting man (and I am), I'd bet Universal wins this one.

    1. Re:Too soon to celebrate by oldenuf2knowbetter · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If "subjective bad faith" as the cause of Universal's behavior is eliminated, they're left with only "stupidity" or "ignorance of the law" as their excuses. Since neither of those is likely to make their lawyers look good, I'm guessing they'll go with with some variation on the general theme of "ignorance".

      Sample: "Sadly, your honor, in spite of the many requirements we placed in their contract, we were not informed by a third-party subcontractor of a computer or software error for which they were entirely to blame."

  3. Maybe it isn't so much reliance... by HitoGuy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Maybe it isn't so much reliance on a mindless infringement detection program as groups like the MPAA and RIAA seem to absolutely loathe the concept of fair use. Maybe the lawyers are actually looking for a scapegoat.

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    1. Re:Maybe it isn't so much reliance... by sm62704 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They don't just loathe the concept, MPAA honcho Jack Valenti said "there's no such thing as fair use". It's like the music industry in the 1980s, when LPs would say on their covers that any copying was a federal felony, despite the fact that the Audio Home Recording Act of 1978 specifically said that recording those LPs to tape was LEGAL.

      These bozos don't give a rat's ass about the law. As far as they're concerned, what they say is the law is the law. Considering their army of lawyers, lobbyists, and campaign bribes; er, 'scuse me, "campaign contributions", they may well be right.

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  4. Quality line from Universal by Xelios · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Universal also raised the question of whether a particular use of copyrighted material constitutes fair use is a "fact-intensive inquiry," arguing that it is difficult for copyright owners to predict whether a court eventually may rule in their favor."

    Well isn't that a crying shame, they can't shotgun automated DMCA notices without the threat of consequence anymore. Boohoo.

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  5. Perjury by Hatta · · Score: 4, Interesting

    To date, has anyone anywhere gone on trial for perjuring themselves in a false DMCA notice? If not, why not?

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    1. Re:Perjury by HitoGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because laws such as the DMCA are biased toward Big Business, like everything else in the US.

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  6. a lot of us are happy by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    that someone in the justice system has noticed that the rabid dog has no right to go around just randomly biting people

    but a lot of us are still waiting for someone in the justice system to notice that we need to put the rabid dog out of its misery

    there is no more life in copyright for products that can be consumed electronically (music, text, movies, etc.) because there is no way to enforce the legal concept of copyright in an environment where there is zero distribution cost for infinite distribution abilities

    the internet killed copyright. the internet lets everyone be a publisher with greater reach than all the most powerful media companies combined. i can share a file with someone in buenos aires, wellington, seoul, and vancouver. my distribution costs are zero. my reach is infinite. there is no such thing as copyright in this environment

    there are no checkpoints where a rogue printing press, pirate cd presser, or renegade vcr duplicator can be located by the authorities and shut down. who are you going to shutdown on the internet? traffic can be obscured in such a way that you can't monitor it, and these methods can be encapsulated in code so the clueless end user need not know any special technical abilities to trrde files discreetly, and find anything they want

    game over dude

    a lot of time now must be spent waiting for everyone else to wake up to this realization

    the internet killed copyright

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    1. Re:a lot of us are happy by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Those who support reasonable copyright aren't demanding that you pay money for their work, they're demanding that you either agree to their stipulations, or don't take their work. I fail to see what's particularly unfair about that.

      The failure is that it isn't a natural, inherent right. Copyright is something whipped up to encourage artists to add to the public domain. Since Disney et al have stolen (yes, stolen, as in "deprived others of use") their early works from the public domain by paying to have copyright extended perpetually, I can't work up a lot of sympathy for people who take their new stuff without paying.

      Basically, as a society, we're telling them to either agree to our stipulations or don't take our protections.

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  7. fiscal conservative by fermion · · Score: 4, Insightful
    What concerns me about these endless suits is the amount of money they represent. Surely not all of the costs are paid for by the participants. Surely there would significant cost savings to the taxpayer if these frivolous suits, which are primarily issued by corporate entities looking to minimize competitions, were severely punished. I can't imagine what a judge would do if I went to a judge and sued, for instance, Exxon Mobil because a IP linked to their firm showed up on my log during an attack. i would hope the judge would dismiss and force me to pay additional fines.

    It is certainly the government;s responsibility to help maintain the laws, but what has happened to the normal fiscal responsibility we apply to these things. We don't stop everyone who is speeding. We don't staff police departments so that every person who steals a CD from a car is prosecuted. Yet our court system is being overwhelmed by companies who stand to lose a $20 cd sale due to copyright infringement.

    This situation is getting worse. The FBI wants to open a case with no probable cause. Each case represents a finite amount of expenditure of taxpayer money. In times past, we had some assurance that money spent was used to investigate a legitimate crime with legitimate suspects. Now we could have massive amount of waste due to an agent not liking his new neighbor.

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  8. A Bit Tilted AND nonsensical by Clovis42 · · Score: 4, Funny

    US District Judge Jeremy Fogel has ruled that an 'allegation that a copyright owner acted in bad faith by issuing a takedown notice without proper consideration of the fair use doctrine...

    One can only hope that this ruling will some day be used against those who file misguided copyright complaints against computer printers.

    Hmm... I thought that the takedown notices sent to printers was ridiculous because it showed that the method the RIAA used to determine who was pirating music was b0rken.

    Apparently, the printers really were downloading music, but they had a fair use! I totally misread that story before. I, for one, will not stand for fair use rights being taken away from our electronic friends!

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  9. Summary of Universal's position by UnknowingFool · · Score: 5, Informative

    A brief recap for those who haven't been following the case:

    Around Feb. 2007, Stephanie Lenz posted a Youtube video of her toddler laughing and dancing to Prince's "Let's Go Crazy". The song is heard somewhat indistinctly in the background of the low resolution, low fidelity 29 second video. Four months later, Universal sent a takedown notice to Youtube to remove the video. Mrs. Lenz with the Electronic Frontier Foundation filed a counter-notice and sued under a provision of the DMCA.

    Universal wanted the case dismissed with their brief arguing:

    • Fair Use is not a defense for copyright infringement
    • The DMCA does not require copyright holders to check for Fair Use before sending a notice
    • There is no such thing as "self-evident" Fair Use
    • There was no way Universal could have know it was Fair Use

    In court, Universal also tried to argue that their takedown notice wasn't a DMCA takedown notice because the notice had a disclaimer saying it wasn't. The notice however followed the same procedure as a DMCA takedown and was sent to the DMCA takedown email address at Youtube. This point is important as the DMCA has a provision that allows for lawsuits if copyright holder abuses the DMCA. The Judge didn't address this point in particular but apparently disagreed given his ruling.

    Universal however seemingly admitted to ABC News that it doesn't really check material for Fair Use before sending out takedown notices and doesn't care:

    Prince believes it is wrong for YouTube, or any other user-generated site, to appropriate his music without his consent. That position has nothing to do with any particular video that uses his songs. It's simply a matter of principle. And legally, he has the right to have his music removed. We support him and this important principle. That's why, over the last few months, we have asked YouTube to remove thousands of different videos that use Prince music without his permission.

    This is another important point because copyright law requires copyright holders should be diligent when pursuing legal actions. From what we know of the RIAA lawsuits, Universal doesn't seem to think this applies to them.

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    1. Re:Summary of Universal's position by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Fair Use is not a defense for copyright infringement

      HA! Jolly good show, old chaps. I sure hope the judge got a laugh out of their ludicrous claim, because I know I did. The other claims are just ridiculous... this one blatantly contradicts the law.

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  10. What is fair use? by thogard · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I run a web site for local bands where I give away their MP3 and a few bands have ended up with international gigs because of it. Some of their older songs may have names that new RIAA approved songs happen to have which results in nasty letters from lawyers. I know of at least US$20,000 worth of losses due cancelled gigs due to to RIAA paranoia so far. The RIAA isn't about music, they are after moving small plastic things.
    If you don't think the RIAA is out of hand, how much should the senators who sung God Bless America on the steps of the Capital pay the Boy Scouts? The law is the law isn't it?

  11. Dear RIAA, MPAA, etc... by Legion_SB · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I am fully prepared to begin holding up my end of the bargain on the copyright equation.

    As soon as you are willing to hold up yours.

    This includes, but is not limited to:

    • Complete respect of the Fair Use Doctrine, and no further attempts to legally narrow it's scope
    • An immediate end and repeal of all laws extending the length of copyright ad infinitum

    Copyright is a two-way street, and failure to maintain your responsibilities means a complete forfeiture of any right to try and enforce compliance with my responsibilities. Continued attempts to pass laws in order to shirk your responsibilities will be responded to with unchecked, tube-clogging mass downloading.

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  12. you can't copyright anything in meatspace by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Insightful

    in other words, you can control access to a venue in the real world, such as a concert hall. so you can't control your mp3 of your song anymore. but you will still make a rich living, have tons of fame and eager female fans. your mp3 becomes advertising, and your source of revenue becomes your journeyman concerts

    "Why put the time in when you can't make money off it, so instead I would be forced to do something else to support my family."

    oh, you mean like every struggling musician who ever existed? what a crock. what you mean to say is "i recorded a song once, now society owes it to me, my children, and my greatgrandchildre that they never have to work a day in their lives". you see copyright as a path to entitlement. sorry, fuck you, consider this notice that your sense of entitlement is hereby revoked. yes, you DO have to work like the rest of us, sorry asshole

    furthermore, this observation of still making $ in a world without copyright can be extrapolated to any other media, even book writers. jk rowling would still be very rich in a world without copyright because she would sell all sorts of ancillary products and sell her script to hollywood. how can you sell a script in a world without copyright? my observation on copyright being dead only applies to media that is consumed electronically, because the internet represents zero distribution costs and infinite reach. anything in the realworld, such as a hollywood production, represents a choke point that doesn't exist on the internet. since cost is involved, control can be exerted. another studio can be sued for making a harry potter movie without the studio who owns the rights' permission. you simply can't do that on the internet. you can do that in the real world, and you will always be able to do that. so notice the qualitification: the copyright is dead in regard to anything that can consumed on the internet, and only in that regard

    hollywood itself would still make lots of money because people still like going to theatres. watching the dark knight on a 17 inch monitor in your basement by yourself does not compete. television was supposed to kill hollywood in the 1950s. now the internet is supposed to kill hollywood. the entire time, theatre attendance and revenues keep going up. conclusion: people like going to the theatre, and always will, regardless of all the constant doomsayers. a theater is a venue where you charge attendance, because yu can CONTROL attendance, so we will have $100 million production budgets for decades to come

    btw, hollywood will still make money on dvds. people will still buy them to guarantee organization, ease of use, quality. likewise, bertelsmann will still sell cds. its just that they won't stop, or be able to stop, the free trade of dvd and cd content on the web (where most of it will be distributed and consumed for free, granted)

    meanwhile, penguin will still sell plenty of books, because nothing competes with woodpulp in terms of cost and convenience and ease of use (sorry kindle)

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    1. Re:you can't copyright anything in meatspace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Your entire argument is based on supposition - not to mention obnoxious levels of selfishness in attacking artists for daring to want to make any money at all from their works directly - and some of your points are completely illogical on its face. Hollywood wouldn't make money off of DVDs because most stores would instead sell pirated DVDs, BMG wouldn't make money from CDs because most CDs would be pirated, Hollywood might not even make much money from movies because bootlegging from reels (especially as more films become digital and easier to copy) will become an accepted practice. Moreover, there'd be neither an enforceable GPL nor a way to prevent bootleg software from taking over the software market. I couldn't say what we'd end up having but there'd at least be a period of anarchy, and stockholders and employees would understandably panic and (at least for a while) flee for other sectors.

      Moreover, your idea that copyright is dead because breaking copyright law is now easy is fallacious. Copyright's reason for being wasn't based on breaking copyright being difficult to do, it was based on spurring creativity for the benefit of society. The fact that it's easy to break copyright has no bearing on whether copyright is worthwhile - it's been easy to make tapes for a long time, relatively easy to make copies of books for a long time, etcetera - and it has no bearing on the value of copyright law to society. If anything, I think the people responsible for copyright law - e.g., James Madison and Thomas Jefferson - would argue that copyright law is now more beneficial to society because in the past the barriers to ripping off a copyrighted work were more of an impediment to breaking copyright.

      If you want to prove your case, you need to show that the past 200 years of living with copyright law have been a tragedy that has stifled creativity and innovation to the detriment of society at large. I've yet to hear anyone argue that successfully.

    2. Re:you can't copyright anything in meatspace by Tanktalus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, I'd say that involving "end of life" calculations would do nothing but *encourage* murder. Better to kill you now to get the clock ticking than to wait for your natural death.

      Better to just say "X years, regardless whether the owner is still alive or dead." Doesn't matter if you kill the author or not, copy rights will survive to the estate if the author dies, and you still won't have unfettered access to the material.

      Of course, X should be no more than 25. I mean, really. Anything more is silly. Even 25 is excessive.

  13. RIAA Doesn't Support Artists by tobiah · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm glad that copyright is working for you, but in the case of the music industry it is out of control, and is actually harmful to individual artists. If we returned to the original definition of copyright, where it belonged to the artist only, I'd support it.
        But in the current situation, artists often can't play or distribute songs they wrote, receive little to nothing of copyright-related revenues, and often lose control of future work before they write it.
        Internet radio is struggling heavily because the RIAA spinoff SoundExchange has been named the sole arbiter of webcast revenue collection, and are collecting fees on every song played, regardless of who owns the copyright.
        If you go to http://www.soundexchange.com/ and follow their "Unregistered List" they have an 84-page list of artists they have collected revenue for but have not been paid. These are mostly indepent labels and artist who more often than not would prefer that their music play for free to generate publicity, rather than receive their 50% share of the $10.38 collected on their behalf. It's a fairly transparent attempt to choke out independent labels and artists by making it prohibitively difficult and expensive to use the otherwise easy and free webcasts to promote themselves.

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  14. Simple fix to overzelaous litigation by Mike_K · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If an entity sues for copyright infringement on some work they claim copyright to and loses with prejudice, they are stripped of any copyright to the work they sued for.

    Simple. In litigation, there needs to a concept of jeopardy. Both sides can lose. Not just the case, but something substantial. The defendant here is being sued for monetary compensation. In criminal cases the prosecution jeopardizes their ability to prosecute in the future using better evidence. We clearly need the same principle to apply to copyright litigation.

    If you don't want to take away the copyright, at least make the plaintiff pay the amount they were asking for in damages to the defendant. Jeopardy would restore balance to the system.

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