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Canadian Firms Get Behind OpenMoko/FreeRunner

mario writes "Now that the OpenMoko platform has stabilized enough to provide the OM2008 image (supporting the three major toolkits), things are starting to heat up. Linuxdevices is reporting on the start of a port of Devicescape's connect application. Koolu (another Canadian company) is also doing development for its W.E. phone (a branded FreeRunner). Which leads me to ask: Where are the American companies?"

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  1. "Where are the American companies?" by dattaway · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Investing their money in Washington crafting laws and developing new business models.

    1. Re:"Where are the American companies?" by r0b!n · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Don't you mean "Investing their money in Washington crafting laws to protect irrelevant business models".

    2. Re:"Where are the American companies?" by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Funny

      Please, please, Aggressively monetizing their Leveraged IP in the Consumer Space...

  2. Boring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Can we talk about the iPhone 3G instead?

  3. This is a very good thing by impaledsunset · · Score: 5, Insightful

    OpenMoko is a very ambitious project, and, in my humble opinion, very important. But the quality of the result from the development of the software stack has been mediocre. I still have my hopes set that it will lift off, but it's still nowhere. Qtopia rocks, and it's free software, it's working, and it's cool, but the OpenMoko distributions aren't there yet, and I have the feeling that the effort is not focused. The old distro was cool, but it was abondoned. ASU is far from being usable (it is not even developer-friendly, not talking about user-friendly). FSO is still not mature. Now, this sets my hopes up. One commercial venture is interested in improving the phone. That for me means that one of the most important goals of the whole project has been achieved. Whatever the quality of the software stack is, we will have our free (as in speech) phone.

    1. Re:This is a very good thing by gumpish · · Score: 3, Informative

      No camera.

    2. Re:This is a very good thing by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I consider that a plus. If I want to take pictures of something, I'm gonna bring a good camera with me.

    3. Re:This is a very good thing by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'd rather have a good camera with me as well. However, 90% of the time that I want to take a picture of something it's unplanned. And there's no way I'm carrying yet another gadget around with me all the time. In those cases, low quality is better than nothing at all.

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    4. Re:This is a very good thing by felix85 · · Score: 4, Informative
      Yeah and the cool thing about this phone is that it can act as a USB master so if you have a digital camera you can just plug it into the phone and upload your images without a computer.

      The Neo1973's mini-USB port can be configured to act as a usb host instead of a usb device. This opens up a range of possibilities, such as USB cameras and usb input devices.

      Thats for the Neo1973 but it should also be true for the FreeRunner.

    5. Re:This is a very good thing by mhall119 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The first few releases of Linux sucked too. However, just like Linux, once people start using it for their own purposes, their improvements will make their way back for others to use.

      OpenMoko right now is mediocre. OpenMoko in 5 years, after several companies sell products based on it, and dozens of hackers make those devices do new and novel things, and OpenMoko will rock.

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  4. Working on other things than immature phones by Buran · · Score: 3, Informative

    The OpenMoko project has been around for a long time but it's been development only and unusable for the end user. US cellphone companies want to be able to sell something to end users now. They don't want an unfinished piece of junk that they don't know anything about -- they want their existing suppliers to give them USABLE phones.

    Once this thing becomes polished and usable, at least as polished and usable as cell phones get, then we might see some interest.

  5. A few Canadian thoughts... by Sentry21 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    After looking at the Koolu.com website, I'd almost rather they not be referred to as Canadian... it makes us look bad...

    So some Canadian firms think that an open-source handset is going to be worthwhile. Great, good for them. The likelihood is that even if they do get anywhere with it, the majority of their clients are going to be in the US anyway. The average person in Canada doesn't know or care about open-source handsets, and isn't going to care enough to learn.

    It's kind of like RIM - they were the first to really get mobile, business e-mail out into the world, and now they're famous. Everyone who doesn't have an iPhone has a blackberry these days, and most of RIM's clients are in the US. Where were the American companies? What does it matter?

    In this era of free trade and globalization, there's hardly any distinction between American companies and Canadian companies. I work for a Canadian company which is owned by an American company which is run by the Canadian company. We're traded on an American stock exchange, we all work in Canada, and we just bought an American company made up almost entirely of Brits and Irish. So what does that make us?

    'Canadian company' these days only refers to locality - where people show up for work at every morning. Beyond that, it doesn't make a difference.

  6. No we won't. by StarKruzr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    American carriers are not only completely uninterested in a platform that gives the end-user complete control over their phone, but actively shunning it. Their business model is to sell slick-looking, crippled devices that push as much functionality through their networks as possible such that they can charge the end-user as much as they can for things that should be free. Verizon and the V710 debacle a few years ago come directly to mind (disabling OBEX, etc.).

    I'll be shocked if we ever see a viable OpenMoko device in the next ten years.

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  7. Love the concept but too bad about the Glamo gpu by NocturnHimtatagon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is mainly from the viewpoint of a graphics programmer (3d, gpu drivers, ...), so my comments will focus on that part. I know there are a lot good features on this devices.

    The Glamo chip can only use textures of 512 x 512 so it's impossible to use hw acceleration to decompress full screen video (unless you stretch the texture to the entire screen).

    The video bus bandwidth is 7m/s which gives a theoretical maximum of 12 fps without hw acceleration. That bus is also shared with the sd card reducing the bandwidth even further if you are accessing the sd card.

    SMedia refuses to give out the documentation of their gpu and only employees of OpenMoko have access to that documentation. Implementing 3D for the glamo is low priority. It's obvious it's low priority but it's a shame there's a gpu in there but you can't use it or even improve the driver.

  8. Shunning? You forget Andriod. by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    American carriers are not only completely uninterested in a platform that gives the end-user complete control over their phone, but actively shunning it

    Android answers the description you provide, and there seem to be a number of carriers embracing it.

    They are driven to do so by the iPhone but that makes little difference in that things are moving that way, and carriers realize now that it will happen sooner rather than later.

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  9. They're blocking it right now. by StarKruzr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Carriers are exerting pressure on baseband manufacturers to ensure that they do not open specifications required to get open-source software to work with advanced basebands that work with EDGE, EvDO, or HS*PA. So all you get is plain GPRS and voice, on the one baseband that was available to be used with the FreeRunner.

    Don't expect this to change anytime soon. It won't. If necessary, the carriers will exert pressure on Congress to pass a law banning open source operating systems on cellular devices in the name of "security."

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  10. Dialing from the command line. by Animats · · Score: 4, Funny

    At last, a phone from Linux fanatics! You can dial from the command line. Just type:

    /etc/init.d/gsmd stop
    echo 0 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-gsm.0/power_on
    echo 1 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-gsm.0/power_on
    cu -l /dev/ttySAC0

    AT+CFUN=1
    AT+CPIN="<pin>"
    AT+COPS
    ATD<number>

    You are now connected. See how easy it is!