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Court Rules Against AT&T's Service Agreement

The Seattle Post-Intelligencer is running a story about a recent ruling from the Washington State Supreme Court, which decided that AT&T's service agreement was not capable of waiving a customer's right to file a lawsuit against the company. The full opinion (PDF) is also available. From the conclusion: "AT&T's Consumer Services Agreement is substantively unconscionable and therefore unenforceable to the extent that it purports to waive the right to class actions, require confidentiality, shorten the Washington Consumer Protection Act statute of limitations, and limit availability of attorney fees. ... Courts will not be easily deceived by attempts to unilaterally strip away consumer protections and remedies by efforts to cloak the waiver of important rights under an arbitration clause."

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  1. Comment Reader Agreement by bigtallmofo · · Score: 5, Funny

    By reading this comment, you agree to send me $50 via PayPal and let me sleep with your most attractive female relative over the age of 18. If you do not agree to these terms, do not read this comment.

    Isn't AT&T's service agreement just as silly? The judge in the case appears to think so.

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    1. Re:Comment Reader Agreement by sethstorm · · Score: 5, Funny

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    3. Re:Comment Reader Agreement by kohaku · · Score: 3, Funny

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  2. Road to overturn by idiotnot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As the FTA mentions, these arbitration clauses are widely-used elsewhere. AT&T will appeal to federal court, and win.

    This really is an activists' decision -- modern legal theory is far more supportive of arbitration than the class action process. Many states don't even have class action anymore. They're a racket; only the head, and the attorneys make money.

    1. Re:Road to overturn by mr_matticus · · Score: 5, Informative

      These arbitration clauses are also widely-overturned. This is hardly news--courts have been striking them down left and right for a decade now. Binding arbitration agreements are among the most common provisions stricken from agreements, including EULAs (in fact, it's the most common violation stricken down in software licenses).

      The basic premise is that choosing ADR should be preserved as an option, but waiving your rights to contest actions in order to get service is wrong. It is. It has little to do with class actions--it's about litigating your individual grievances with the company.

      Contrary to the editorializing in the summary, however, it has nothing to do with anything other than the fact that binding arbitration is disfavored as a lopsided provision offering no advantage to the customer.

  3. The legal Death Star just blew up by davidwr · · Score: 4, Funny

    Thank you Judge Skywalker.

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    1. Re:The legal Death Star just blew up by mfnickster · · Score: 3, Funny

      "What good is a judgment if you ain't around to collect it? Besides, attacking that corporation ain't my idea of courage, kid. It's more like... suicide."

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  4. Right to Contract by Detritus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The modern abuse of arbitration clauses reminds me of the "right to contract" cases. Contracts are often little more than legal cudgels, designed to exploit the difference in power between the two parties to the benefit of stronger party. The arbitration system is a perversion of justice and should be eliminated.

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    1. Re:Right to Contract by nomadic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Arbitration was designed to be used between businesses; when it's done that way it can actually be a superior alternative to court. It's when it's applied to adhesion contracts with consumers that it get unfair.

  5. score 1 for common sense by DragonTHC · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You cannot sign away your rights. They're guaranteed.

    AT&T's clause is unconstitutional as are every similar company's clauses.

    The right to bring legal action cannot be signed away. That's like saying that these companies are above the law.

    Next to be tested in court, the clause stating "we reserve the right to change the terms of this contract at any time without notice".

    If the terms are flexible, it's not a contract. It's like signing a blank check and something we aren't doing.

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    1. Re:score 1 for common sense by Courageous · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Next to be tested in court, the clause stating "we reserve the right to change the terms of this contract at any time without notice".

      They sort of do have the legal right to do that. They give a new agreement out, and you, should you continue with service and pay, have given them consideration and voila. New contract of adhesion.

      It's just another line item in why I disagree with the very concept of the contract of adhesion. No contract should be permissable that doesn't obey the rules of ordinary contracts ("meeting of the minds," etc).

      Business wants the ability to enter into contracts without going through the due dilligence. This is, and always has been, ethically lopsided. For the consumers, there is no real fairness.

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    2. Re:score 1 for common sense by kramer · · Score: 4, Informative

      No. No. No. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

      You can sign away certain rights, including the right to sue. There is (apparently) nothing unconstitutional about this contract. There is no constitutional guarantee to sue someone.

      What the judge said was that it was unconscionable, meaning that the contract has clauses that are so burdensome that no person would agree to them if they had a choice. Unconscionable clauses are typically rendered unenforceable by courts. The case was decided on Washington state law. The constitution, the U.S., Washington's, or otherwise doesn't enter into it.

      Oh, and since this was decided by a state court, this ruling has no legal effect on anyone outside of Washington.

    3. Re:score 1 for common sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Next to be tested in court, the clause stating "we reserve the right to change the terms of this contract at any time without notice".

      They sort of do have the legal right to do that. They give a new agreement out, and you, should you continue with service and pay, have given them consideration and voila. New contract of adhesion.

      "I am altering the deal. Pray I do not alter it further."

    4. Re:score 1 for common sense by Xelios · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How does that work? If they modify the terms of the contract then the contract has changed. The old one no longer applies, and you should be required to sign the new one if you want to keep receiving the service. If you choose not to sign the new contract you should be allowed to cancel your service with no penalty, since it was the company that modified the agreement.

      That should be common sense, I'm amazed that it doesn't work that way. Wait... on second thought, no I'm not.

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    5. Re:score 1 for common sense by Solandri · · Score: 3, Informative

      You can cancel without penalty when this happens. A lot of people took advantage of it to get out of cell phone contracts back when cellular 911 service became mandated. The wireless carriers lobbied for and got the right to charge a fee for the 911 service. This fee was a change in the contract, so spades of people who'd been itching to get out of their contracts without paying the early termination fee simply said they didn't agree to the new fees. Since the carriers were required to provide 911 service and they wanted to charge the fee, they canceled the contract, thus nullifying the early termination fee.

  6. Bad summary... by Theaetetus · · Score: 4, Informative

    These arbitration clauses are also widely-overturned. This is hardly news--courts have been striking them down left and right for a decade now. Binding arbitration agreements are among the most common provisions stricken from agreements, including EULAs (in fact, it's the most common violation stricken down in software licenses).

    The basic premise is that choosing ADR should be preserved as an option, but waiving your rights to contest actions in order to get service is wrong. It is. It has little to do with class actions--it's about litigating your individual grievances with the company.

    Contrary to the editorializing in the summary, however, it has nothing to do with anything other than the fact that binding arbitration is disfavored as a lopsided provision offering no advantage to the customer.

    Binding arbitration clauses can be fine, even in adhesionary contracts, and the court even mentions this:

    We emphasize that these provisions have nothing to do with arbitration. Arbitrators supervise class actions, conduct open hearings, apply appropriate statutes of limitations, and award compensatory and punitive damages, as well as attorney fees, where appropriate.

    The issue is where they are substantively unconscionable, as here, where ATT has also stricken out the availability of class actions:

    A&T's Consumer Services Agreement is substantively unconscionable and therefore unenforceable to the extent that it purports to waive the right to class actions, require confidentiality, shorten the Washington Consumer Protection Act statute of limitations, and limit availability of attorney fees.

    Because any party's foreseeable claims would be very small, by removing the ability to file a class action, ATT was essentially immunizing themselves from suits - no lawyer is going to take a case, even on contingency, that's worth only $10 or $15... But if it's $10 or $15 to fifty-thousand customers, now you're talking.

    So, again, this decision does not say all arbitration clauses are unconscionable, and even goes out of its way to say they could be fine... but only "could" be fine - the issue is what other clauses are present.

  7. Check any Online Games EULA ... by Il128 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Because they are far more draconian than At&T's ever was.

    Just saying, most Game Company EULAs actually state that you don't even get a service in return for your payments and that your payments are non-refundable and you have no expectations of privacy and your computer is for all intents and purposes the property of the gaming company for as long as their software resides on your computer...

    I wish I was making this up but as you can see here (the most popular online game in the world):
    http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/eula.html
    http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/termsofuse.shtml
    I'm not. And as an even more negative note this EULA actually stood up in court of law.
    http://virtuallyblind.com/2008/07/14/blizzard-wins-sj-mdy/


    Your RAM is actually Blizzards. You have no right to sue. You have no right to a refund. You have no right to class action. You have no right to communicate to anyone about what Blizzard communicates to you. Because, it is all copyright. That is a huge legal determination.


    This brings us back to the topic at hand, AT&T. Because in all honesty, "waive the right to class actions, require confidentiality, shorten the Washington Consumer Protection Act statute of limitations, and limit availability of attorney fees." these things have already been ruled as legal in several gaming company cases and RIAA cases (which for brevity I did not touch on).

    To tell AT&T (and every other company on the planet)that they are breaking the law because they are not using copyright as the rational for their arguments makes absolutely no legal sense whatsoever.

    Because the end result is that all company claims against their consumers will be twisted in to copyright claims and therefore automatically upheld...

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  8. You can't make contracts with illegal clauses! by houbou · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I remember commenting about this in an earlier post (about Telus) I believe.

    You have to love any company's balls as they write their contract stipulations, and yet, often, write them in such a way that they contradict local/state/province or country laws.

    And AT&T right now is a fine example of a company inserting clauses into their contracts that are not legal to begin with, thus non-binding.

    And I'm sure that if I knew enough about laws and clauses, etc.. that most companies out there have many non-binding clauses, but we just don't know. It's too complicated to read.

    Another example are the games and their EULAs, all these "thou shall not and this isn't and so on and so forth", I would bet that it's all bluster and very little substance, that if anyone had a bit of money and time to blow and a good lawyer to partner with, they could blow holes in those EULAs.

  9. Tried, and succeeded. by Theaetetus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Binding arbitration clauses can be fine, even in adhesionary contracts, and the court even mentions this:

    No. The court mentions that there is nothing wrong with arbitration. Binding arbitration, where the right to bring suit is summarily waived, is and has been subject to the court's disdain for quite a while.

    Quite a while?
    Such as Graham v. Scissor-Tail, Inc., 623 P.2d 165, where the California Supreme Court said in 1981 that binding arbitration clauses are enforceable, as long as they're not substantively unconscionable (in that case, the arbitrator was the defendant's board of directors).
    Or Armendariz v. Foundation Health, 6 P.3d 669, where the California Supreme Court restated in 2000 specifically that mandatory arbitration clauses were not unconscionable in a contract, where the arbitration was fair and impartial.
    Or Henningsen v. Bloomfield Motors, 32 N.J. 358, where the New Jersey Supreme Court (lest you think I was California-biased) said that adhesionary contracts, such as those with binding arbitration provisions, can be just fine.
    Or Carnival Cruise Lines v. Shute, 499. U.S. 585, where even SCOTUS said, yes, mandatory arbitration clauses with impartial arbiters are not unconscionable.

    Have you found a single case in which any court said that binding arbitration is unconscionable on its face, without requiring any substantive unconscionability?

    'cause if you have, the American Arbitration Association might be interested.

    Any situation in which forced arbitration is a non-negotiated requirement of an agreement, which tends to disproportionately favor one side over the other, is evaluated quite carefully.

    There is nothing wrong with arbitration. Courts love it when parties go to mediation and arbitration, because it gets them out of their hair. On the other hand, when it is loaded into an adhesive contract and puts the Offeree in a situation where they have lost their right to take action without having any foreseeable benefit to doing so. This is especially true in certain classes of agreements, like rental agreements, employment contracts, and service agreements, like we have here.

    Yes, but what you're missing is that there needs to both procedural unconscionability - an adhesionary contract, for instance - and substantive unconscionability. Otherwise, it's perfectly fine, due to the freedom to contract.

    I can make a horribly unconscionable contract, with full knowledge and understanding of my rights... Courts won't protect me, because though the agreement is unfair, I entered into it freely and with full knowledge (see Lucy v. Zehmer).
    I can also sign a boilerplate contract, with no ability to negotiate, take it or leave it, and if the contract isn't substantively unfair, it's binding (see many of the above references).

    There's a whole litany of cases on the subject. These types of agreements utilize the unequal bargaining power to enact an unconscionable waiver of rights.

    You missed the requirement of the unconscionable waiver of rights. Binding arbitration isn't necessarily unconscionable.

    Arbitration clause != binding arbitration clause without option to bring suit. As I've already said, both in this post and the earlier one, preserving arbitration as an option is important, but forcing it in a non-negotiated contract is very commonly unconscionable and has been part of the consumer rights movement of the past decade.

    And, as you've said earlier and here, you're wrong. Arbitration, even binding arbitration without option to bring suit, has been upheld by SCOTUS. The issue is that the arbitration must be unfair, too, not merely the fact that you're forced into it.

    (4 cases with cites... your turn)