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Councils Recruit Unpaid Volunteers To Spy On Their Neighbors

Several readers have written to tell us that a recent move in the UK has councils relying on info from "Citizen Snoopers" to report the transgressions of their neighbors. Currently only implemented as "environment volunteers" designed to keep watch on things like litter, dog habits, and improper trash sorting, there is a certain amount of trepidation that this could grow into something more sinister. "It will fuel fears that Britain is lurching towards a Big Brother society, following the revelation this week that the Home Office is extending some police powers to council staff and private security guards. Critics said the latest scheme could easily be abused and encourage a culture of bin spies and curtain twitchers. Matthew Elliott, of the Taxpayers' Alliance, said: 'Snooping on your neighbors to report recycling infringements sounds like something straight out of the East German Stasi's copybook.'"

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  1. Its cut price police - again by Viol8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I know its fashionable to see the UK government as a bunch of closet dictators , but really this is more about money - or lack of. Rather than it being the beginning of the UKs version of the Stasi its simply a case of the government not wanting to cough up cash for real police so they hope they can fob us off with cut price gimmicks like this. They've already given us the Community Support Officer (the plastic police) which is effectively a policeman with limited powers - and crucially a lower salary , but by getting the curtain twitcher types to report on people they don't have to pay any salary.

    Of course what will happen to a private civilian with no backup or weapons of any sort trying to stop or ticket some 250lb drunk lout with attitude chucking his beer can over a fence is anyones guess...

    1. Re:Its cut price police - again by Nursie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Really? I thought it was Brainless Womble

    2. Re:Its cut price police - again by Candid88 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It does seem to have become a Slashdot theme of late.

      Something I've noticed though is that the vast majority of the "horrific loss of privacy in Britain" stories refer to proposed ideas, often by people low down in their government whose job it is to think up new ideas (whether good or - as is most often the case - bad) but few of which have yet shown any real signs of actually being implemented.

      Here, Bush prefers doing these sort of things in secret and using every dirty trick in the book to keep it secret. I'd prefer to have my government announcing plans which will infringe on my privacy before they are implemented rather than them being uncovered by reporters several years in.

    3. Re:Its cut price police - again by xaxa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You are right!

      I was recently sent a survey from the police. It asked if I'd seen any policemen walking round recently, which I had. They wanted to know if I felt much safer, a little safer, or no safer. I crossed that out and wrote that I felt less safe -- I'd wondered what was going on that required police to be walking past my house.

  2. hm by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Reminds me of the kids in 1984 spying on their parents and reporting on the poor Parsons.

  3. Big Brother by d3ac0n · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It will fuel fears that Britain is lurching towards a Big Brother society

    Uh, perhaps some people need to read 1984 again. By the time people start "informing" on one another, Big Brother is already here. "Lurching"? More like "Arrived".

    Britain is lost behind an iron curtain of it's own making.

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  4. Re:Sad by Nursie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    i think it's sad that there are legions of people willing to report each other to the authorities over pretty much nothing.

    And laws? We have too many, and the more the petty laws are enforced on normal people (especially with most in the UK seem to think the police are woefully inadequate at dealing with "real" crime) the more people will get pissed off and start to ignore the law completely.

  5. Re:Whats so special? by ultranova · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here in Michigan we also do this. If your neighbor wont cut his grass in a timely manner there is usually a municipal number you can call. The city agents will come out and issue a fine.

    The Land of the Free, where the allowable length of the grass in your yard is regulated. But as long as you don't have free public healthcare like we have here in the evil socialist countries, I guess it's okay.

    I wonder if some libertarian will reply and rave about the evils of socialized healthcare while ignoring the grass-trimming regulations...

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  6. How a journalist can spin something.. by onion2k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "In Hampshire, Eastleigh council wants locals to 'monitor local environmental quality' and report 'issues' involving recycling and waste."

    If you take the single quotes out and read it without your tin foil hat on there's nothing to object to. It's just the council asking for people to report problems which they'll then look into. Surely every local government in the world does that.

  7. Only for the proles by Butisol · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This isn't something to worry about if you're rich. No one's going to come out to your country estate and spy to make sure that your caviar jar is sorted into the glass recycling bin. See, creeping fascism isn't about government trying to control everyone, it's about motivating us to become better (that is, rich) so we don't have to worry about such things. I'm glad when governments care so much about encouraging their citizens to reach their full potential.

  8. Re:Whats so special? by grahamd0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Land of the Free, where the allowable length of the grass in your yard is regulated. But as long as you don't have free public healthcare like we have here in the evil socialist countries, I guess it's okay.

    I support public healthcare, but calling it "free" is disingenuous.

    And yes, the grass thing is stupid.

  9. Re:Whats so special? by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't understand why you put lawn care and snow clearing in the same category.

    Lawn care is pure eye candy. It hurts nobody to let your lawn go to hell, except that it looks bad and poor weak-brained people can't withstand that.

    Snow clearing is important to allow the sidewalks to remain open and functional. It's no fun to have to wade through deep snow to get to where you're going. You essentially have charge of a public pedestrian road, so it's your responsibility to keep it passable.

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  10. Re:Whats so special? by Scudsucker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I support public healthcare, but calling it "free" is disingenuous.

    No, it's not - when people say free health care, they mean free to use, like your local library or an interstate highway.

  11. Re:And this won't be missused... by Blue+Stone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I remember a time when I actually believed we lived in an enlightened time, a time where tolerance and liberal ideals were being enacted - equality for women and people of different ethnicities and gay people.

    And I look around now and I see growing intolerace, authoritarianism.

    Where once I saw a news report about North Korea where it seemed shocking that they couldn't use a public phone box without fear of being listened in on by their government, I see that now I live in a country that spies on my email contacts and who I'm in touch with over the phone and what websites I visit (and so technically what newspapers I may read and where my political sympathies may lie).

    I wonder how long it'll be before we get the formation of the first Anti-Sex League?

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