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Sony Pledges More Accurate Laptop Battery Figures

Slatterz writes "Ever wondered why you never get the 10 hours of battery life advertised with your new ultraportable? Battery life ratings have been a joke for years, so it's interesting to hear that one big vendor is picking up its game. PC Authority says Sony is abandoning the usual (and wildly misleading) JEITA method for coming up with those 10+ hour battery numbers (they're still using JEITA, but not the usual way). Interestingly, the story has links showing the old and new steps Sony takes to come up with those battery predictions. It's good to see the industry coming clean on this issue."

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  1. How is this for marketing? by Swizec · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just wondering here, how would a move like this affect marketing of computers? The previous model had an up to 10 hour battery life, the new ultra better omgwtfbbq more magnificent version has "Up to 4, but we're not lying to you this time!"

    Somehow I just don't see that faring well with Joe Average ...

    1. Re:How is this for marketing? by Swizec · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, I was talking about how Joe Average doesn't really care/know that some vendor quotes realistic battery life on the box while another doesn't, they just see a higher number next to the word "hours" on that other computer and buy that one instead of the one who is lying less. I know realistic battery life quotes are great for us geeks, but they must be a marketer's nightmare until this behaviour becomes standardised and mandatory for some reason.

    2. Re:How is this for marketing? by evilviper · · Score: 4, Funny

      Just wondering here, how would a move like this affect marketing of computers?

      They'll leave the old 10 HOURS figure, in huge numbers on the packaging. Then have an asterisks, and a tiny footnote that says "TYPICAL BATTERY LIFE: 4 hours".

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    3. Re:How is this for marketing? by beelsebob · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is close, but not quite accurate. Macs enter sleep mode as any other PC does. However, when they enter sleep, they also begin paging everything out so that they can hibernate if the battery gets too low while still sleeping. You can tell whether or not your mac hibernated easily. If it wakes up instantly on a key press it was sleeping. If it needs the power plugged in, and comes back to a greyscale filtered version of what you were working on and a progress bar, then it was hibernating.

    4. Re:How is this for marketing? by somersault · · Score: 4, Funny

      TYPICAL BATTERY LIFE*: 4 hours

      *before asploding

      There we go, fixed that for you ;)

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    5. Re:How is this for marketing? by dotancohen · · Score: 4, Funny

      Just wondering here, how would a move like this affect marketing of computers? The previous model had an up to 10 hour battery life, the new ultra better omgwtfbbq more magnificent version has "Up to 4, but we're not lying to you this time!

      The new figure is time to 0% power. The old figure was time to explosion.

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    6. Re:How is this for marketing? by dotancohen · · Score: 5, Funny

      Or until a lot of people and magazines wonder why the hell they lie to us, since we can never reach the battery time stated on the box. Like now.

      What are you talking about? My battery always lasts at lea

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    7. Re:How is this for marketing? by dotancohen · · Score: 5, Funny

      You can tell whether or not your mac hibernated easily. If it wakes up instantly on a key press it was sleeping. If it needs the power plugged in, and comes back to a greyscale filtered version of what you were working on and a progress bar, then it was hibernating.

      What state was mine in? I pushed the button and it said "BRAAAAAIIIINS!!!"

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  2. Battery capacity, not life by pieterh · · Score: 5, Informative

    Properly, we should be told the capacity of the battery and the consumption of the machine at highest and lowest levels.

    For example, my Lenovo X61 gets between 4 and 8 hours on its large battery. The difference comes from how I tune the machine.

    At least for laptops using Intel chipsets and Linux, powertop makes it very easy to measure battery life, and (more importantly) tune it. I get my 8 hours by by switching off the wifi, usb ports, killing programs that do too many interrupts, turning down the brightness, etc. Powertop shows exactly how many watts the machine is using. The battery has about 70 watt/hours so when I get it down to 9 watts, that gives me about 8 hours.

    1. Re:Battery capacity, not life by pipatron · · Score: 4, Informative

      Check out the guides at http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_reduce_power_consumption, they are of course mostly ThinkPad-specific, but most of it works just as fine for other centrino-based laptops. If I remember correctly it's about unloading the USB1.1 modules (unless you need them!) and telling the UBS2.0 module to power down the ports if they're idling.

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    2. Re:Battery capacity, not life by evilviper · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Properly, we should be told the capacity of the battery and the consumption of the machine at highest and lowest levels.

      You still have the same problem. Now you're simply moving the problem from calculating "battery life" to calculating "power consumption", and leaving consumers with an extra bit of math to do...

      "Lowest" power consumption is tricky, because you've now got to define what parts of the machine have to be functional in this minimal state. ie. You'd get a huge boost in battery life if you shut off the LCD screen, backlight, and graphics chip.

      Maximum isn't exactly easy, either... Does this include external devices drawing their power from the laptop ports? USB, Firewire, speakers, mouse, etc., it's pretty easy to drive the power consumption WAY up, with a few ridiculously power-hungry external devices.

      Battery capacity is pretty trivial, and is already notated on nearly every battery I've ever seen.

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    3. Re:Battery capacity, not life by clickety6 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Unfortunately, whereas I can use my computer without WiFi and USB, etc. I do find it much harder to use it without the screen being on ;-)

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    4. Re:Battery capacity, not life by pieterh · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If you're going to be pedantic, get it right. Batteries are measured in amp-hours, and if you want to use watts, it would be "watt-hours at X volts", whatever the voltage is that the battery is supplying.

      The Lenovo X61 extended battery has 4400 mAh, or 4.4Ah, so if it lasts eight hours at a draw of 9 watts, then it's drawing about 16 volts.

      9 watts at 16 volts is 0.55 amperes. 0.55 amperes for 8 hours is 4.4 amp-hours.

      It's more fun not having to think this much on a Monday morning.

    5. Re:Battery capacity, not life by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Lowest" power consumption is tricky, because you've now got to define what parts of the machine have to be functional in this minimal state. ie. You'd get a huge boost in battery life if you shut off the LCD screen, backlight, and graphics chip.

      Sony's new "JEITA A"
      http://www.sony-asia.com/support/faq/272659

      1. No screensaver
      2. VAIO Long Battery Life Wall Paper
      3. Mute volume
      4. Turn off wifi
      5. Exit VAIO Smart Network
      6. Turn off Windows automatic updates
      7. Close Windows Sidebar
      8. Start the system in the STAMINA mode [you can do it without restarting]
      9. Close the Welcome Center
      10. Close the Prepare your VAIO
      11. Do NOT run the initial settings of McAfee Security Center

      Power Plan
      1. Set to Maximum Battery
      2. Never sleep/hibernate/turn off display
      3. Set graphics to 16 bit
      4. Disable Memory Card Slot
      5. Set Refresh Rate to 40Hz
      6. Set LCD brightness to 28%

      No offense but that's fucking ridiculous.
      Nobody would ever realistically use their computer in that fashion.

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  3. Next can we work on longevity? by oodaloop · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have a Sony Vaio UX280 micro pc with an expanded battery, both bought 1.5 years ago. Not only did neither battery live up to their advertised battery life (3 hours standby for the orginal, 9 for the expanded), but now they are closer to 30 min and 45 min. I haven't let them run down to zero and time them, but they fall so fast after unplugging it I get my business done and shut it down. It's to the point now that I need another extended battery, but at $349 I might as well buy an Eee or similar netbook instead. Needless to say (but I'm obviously saying it anyway), if I knew the batteries didn't have the advertised life and were going to die so quickly, I would never have bought them.

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  4. Battery testing methods by sakdoctor · · Score: 5, Funny

    From TFA,

    The old testing method: A picture showing a naked man stretching his anus to a large and disproportionate size. The Sony employee reaches into the anus and pulls out the battery figures.

    The new method involves running the laptop until the battery is exhausted and timing the result.

  5. New Sony Figures by clickety6 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Average time before battery goes flat under normal usage: 1 minute more than figures quoted by Dell

    Average time before battery goes flat under Vista: 8 hours (i.e. during startup process)

    Average time before battery goes flat watching DVD: length of film - 10 minutes

    Average time before battery goes flat using Office: Fails during write process of important presentation

    Average time before battery explodes into flame: 7 hours 32 minutes

    Average time before stored spare battery goes flat: 5 seconds after it was last tested

    Average time before battery goes flat under Linux:
    Never. It is constantly recharged by sucking energy from the superior mind of the user

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    1. Re:New Sony Figures by jabithew · · Score: 4, Funny

      Er, over here in the UK 'film' means 'movie'. Or 'flick' if you're a twat.

      What do you call them? Cinematograms? Moving Pictures?

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  6. HD manufacturers next? by jeroen94704 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now all we need is for HD manufacturers to stop defining "Gigabyte" as "1 billion bytes", so my 160 GB drive is actually 160 GB (171 billion bytes), and not 149 GB (160 billion bytes).

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    1. Re:HD manufacturers next? by meringuoid · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Now all we need is for HD manufacturers to stop defining "Gigabyte" as "1 billion bytes", so my 160 GB drive is actually 160 GB (171 billion bytes), and not 149 GB (160 billion bytes).

      Or alternatively we need RAM manufacturers to stop defining 'gigabyte' as '1,073,741,824 bytes'. If they must insist on using a power of 1,024, then they can pick a different word for it, that doesn't conflict with the usage of the 'giga' prefix to mean 'x10^9' in every other field in the world. May I suggest 'gibibyte'?

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    2. Re:HD manufacturers next? by asc99c · · Score: 5, Informative

      Hard disc manufacturers are in the right though - mega means million, giga means billion, tera means trillion. It's the world of computers with their binary-derived values that are wrong.

      This has already been discussed in great detail, and the decision was that a binary gigabyte (2^30 bytes instead of the decimal 10^9) should be called a gibibyte (GiB).

      2^10 bytes (1024) is a Kibibyte (KiB)
      2^20 bytes is a Mibibyte (MiB)
      2^40 bytes is a Tibibyte (TiB)

      There are even a few people who took notice of the decision and switched usage.

  7. What's in it for Sony ?... by GrpA · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I find it very hard to imagine Sony doing anything altruistic at all. They are to Hardware what Microsoft is to Software.

    So I'm wondering what's in it for them. Do they have some kind of new technology that when measured by the second method only, looks much better for them? Or perhaps their min-power usage number is the same as the movie-play version...

    I'm only guessing, but I can't imagine Sony would be doing this just for the benefit of consumers, if they didn't get something out of it, since other manufacturers will still be using the old method of measuring this.

    GrpA

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  8. no lying? by rarel · · Score: 5, Funny

    So they will give the expected yield of their batteries in kilotonnes now? Right?

  9. Repent for September 10th is nigh! by Candid88 · · Score: 5, Funny

    There would simply be no point in selling laptops with more than 2 days battery life anymore, in 2 days time we'll all be dead anyway (or sucked into a parrallel universe to experience a fate even worse than death!)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider

  10. Re:Gibibyte is dead. by meringuoid · · Score: 4, Informative
    It's not RAM manufacturers, it's the whole computer industry...

    It's clearly not the whole computer industry, though, is it? Otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion in the first place. Some parts of the computer industry call a gigabyte 1,000,000,000 bytes, other parts call a gigabyte 1,073,741,824 bytes. One of these standards is consistent with the usage of 'giga' in all other scientific and technical fields, while the other is unique to computer science. To my mind, calling 1,024 bytes a 'kilobyte' was just about acceptable, since the difference wasn't so great and 'kilo' was a convenient shorthand. But calling 1,073,741,824 bytes a 'gigabyte' is really pushing it, and now we're starting to build terabyte drives and it's getting ridiculous. If you want to use substantially different multipliers from the standard, don't use SI prefixes for them. Make up your own unit names.

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