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Virginia Begins Open-Source Physics Textbook

eldavojohn writes "The Commonwealth of Virginia has issued a request for contributions to an open source physics textbook (or 'flexbook' they termed it). They are partnering with CK-12 to make this educational textbook under the Creative Commons by Attribution Share-Alike license."

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  1. Hell Yes by zappepcs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's about time, can't wait to see the result and more of the same for other subjects. Education for everyone, free-ish. This is how it should be.

    1. Re:Hell Yes by explosivejared · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah... as a Virginian, this makes me proud. The open sourcing of education is just awesome. I can't wait for my kids to learn how Albert Einstein delivered the ten commandments that brought the enlightenment of the time cube to the world, and other things of this nature. I also wish upon the experience of needing critical information for a research paper only to find the project killed because of rampant forking and infighting amongst educators. They'll be better people for it. /kidding... mostly that is

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    2. Re:Hell Yes by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How the hell are we suppose to sit in Ivory Towers and look down upon the commoners if education is free from us political and educational elites?

      I mean, we need to make sure that people are certified by a piece of paper to prove that they've bowed before the altar of Education properly.

      This includes requiring each new student to buy overpriced textbooks, brand new each year. Please, won't anyone think of the poor professors and teachers???

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    3. Re:Hell Yes by DoubleBarrelDarryl · · Score: 5, Funny

      Albert Einstein didnt deliver the ten commandments, Charlton Heston did silly

    4. Re:Hell Yes by baggins2001 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But the downside is who is going to do the final edit. Should Maxwell's equations be included? Should a whole chapter be devoted to an outlandish thesis on why it is physically impossible for evolution to occur?
      The reason I have concern is that in our state, the selection committee for books didn't have a single person with any type of degree in physics. So where are they going to find editors.
      I would prefer they used Sears and Zemansky College version, but am afraid that schools couldn't afford it.
      I have never looked at Halliday and Resnick Fundamental version, but that may also be good.

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    5. Re:Hell Yes by zappepcs · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is a common axiom that should be in play here IMO, if a quorum of recognized physicists agree that a topic should be covered for a specific level of understanding, then it should be covered.

      A wiki would work if it could be voted on, and topic frozen for a year once voted and approved, or that subject page moved to a reference site which could be used as the text for one or more years.

      Physics 101 typically covers certain topics, more advanced classes cover more and more in depth. The trick is making that material available and flexible as they say. There are no great arguments about creationism in physics classes that I know of, but creationism is a religious principle and should be covered in theology class. NOTE to self: that page should be a redirect to bible.com.

      If actual physicists and hobbyists can agree on material, then you have more intelligence working on the problem than currently being used to select texts... more or less.

  2. OSS Textbooks kick serious... by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 5, Informative

    Ass, but www.textbooktorrents.com saved me a bunch of money.

    Why pay for rev.2 and rev.3 when you bought rev.1 and are getting reamed by changed question numbers?

    I saved my friends about 2k$ this semester from what I found there.

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    1. Re:OSS Textbooks kick serious... by Broken+scope · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how many trees I'm saving. or something, whatever.

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    2. Re:OSS Textbooks kick serious... by maxume · · Score: 4, Funny

      Why do you hate lumberjacks?

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    3. Re:OSS Textbooks kick serious... by indifferent+children · · Score: 4, Funny
      Why do you hate lumberjacks?

      Yeah! I'm a lumberjack, and I'm OK.

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    4. Re:OSS Textbooks kick serious... by PitaBred · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But you know what makes a ton of money? Putting out a new revision of a standard textbook with only a few sections moved around, and all the questions renumbered, so you sell the same content for hundreds of dollars all over again to a new bunch of suckers! This works because you give the professors that assign it a little bit of a kickback, as well as a free copy to get it as the new standard textbook for the course. I can't understand why anyone would be upset by that, or feel as if they're being ripped off.

  3. Great Idea! by HaeMaker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I hope it won't be Wikipedia style...

    1. Re:Great Idea! by Brad1138 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Professor, I think you need to look at the "textbook" again. I am pretty sure my answer is right.

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  4. Web 2.0 as a force for good by pzs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is a good idea. Base it on a standard description of each concept like an old fashioned text book, but also allow:

    - Discussion threads with students and teachers. (moderated, Slashdot style?)

    - Contributed examples, again by students and teachers. You could do something like the PHP documentation, where the best contributed examples are prominently displayed at the bottom of the relevant page.

    - Interactive tools to illustrate particular concepts.

    - Copious linkage to similar resources.

    A successful project like this could easily spawn similar projects for the other sciences.

  5. Intelligent Falling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Due to gravity being "just a theory," the state of Virginia will be requiring the textbooks to include alternative theories as to why objects with mass have gravity -- chief among them, the concept of Intelligent Falling.

  6. Light and Matter by VincenzoRomano · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why reinventing warm water?
    Go to Light and Matter for a high quality book set about physics.
    By the way, CK-12,org already has one.

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    1. Re:Light and Matter by crumley · · Score: 4, Informative

      Indeed, there are a lot of similar efforts out there. Hopefully they will use some of the existing sources. Take a at The Assayer and other site like Open Textbook to get an idea of some of the great things already being done in this area.

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    2. Re:Light and Matter by JustinOpinion · · Score: 5, Informative

      Indeed. They should take advantage of the open-source textbooks that already exist... either by simply selecting one for their purposes, or putting together the best pieces from various sources into a coherent textbook that serves their purposes. Here are the open-source textbook (or related information) sites I'm aware of:

      Pointers to Textbooks and Content:
      http://textbookrevolution.org/
      http://www.opentextbook.org/
      http://www.theassayer.org/
      http://spiff.rit.edu/classes/
      http://globaltext.terry.uga.edu/
      http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Main_Page
      http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Books

      Some available lecture notes:
      http://ocw.mit.edu/index.html
      http://www.phys.uu.nl/~thooft/theorist.html#languages
      http://spiff.rit.edu/classes/

  7. THE INVISIBLE HAND!!! by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 5, Funny

    NO! This is an Outrage!! This is blasphemy!! Any honest fool knows that the best way to provide education,a or anything else for that matter, is to allow the unregulated invisible hand of the free market to solve everything. The magic of the markets can do it all, as long as they are unfettered by big government socialists! This project is Economic Terrorism!!

    This is unfair government competition in an otherwise productive and creative industry. Just look at the high quality and low costs of textbooks and courses currently on offer! Just look at the amount of engineers graduating from our universities! The free market has brought us prosperity, happiness and profit and can bring us so much more if only the government would cut more taxes and ... ....what?... they what?...when?...how much?..... ........

    Pay No Attention The Trillion Dollar Nationalization Project Behind The Curtain. The Market Will Continue To Solve All. This Is Simply A Temporary Accounting Measure. I Repeat. The Magic Of The Market Is Absolute!

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  8. It's been done. by td · · Score: 5, Informative

    In the late 1960s, I was taught high-school physics from the PSSC (Physical Science Study Committee) Physics textbook. The curriculum and textbook were put together by an NSF-convened panel. All the curriculum materials (textbook, supplementary readings, teacher's guides, experimental equipment) were made freely available. I still have two copies of the textbook produced by different publishers and with different covers but identical inside.

    Although it was demonstrably superior to other physics curricula, the PSSC program was ultimately a failure because publishers, who couldn't make much money selling the PSSC textbook due to competition, eventually dropped the book and pushed hard to get their proprietary, therefore more heavily marked-up, textbooks adopted by school boards.

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  9. Umm, yeah by edremy · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Laugh while you can, but I weep for the future of textbooks. They're approved by committees that know little to nothing about the topic and are happy to grind an axe for their point of view. See Dover v. Kitzmiller for a detailed example- the leading "Intelligent Design" textbook they wanted to use is quite literally an older creationism textbook with a search and replace s/creationism/intelligent design/

    Having lived in Lynchburg for a number of years, there are plenty of folks there who would demand removal of all sorts of things such as the true age of the universe if they had any input at all into the process. If instead it was written by experts, they'd be complaining to their representative about the state spending money on teaching atheism.

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  10. Re:Calculus, or no-calculus? by Thelasko · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Physics without calculus is a bit pointless.

    Woh! Step down from your high horse. There is plenty to learn about basic physics that doesn't involve calculus. You must simply make the correct assumptions. All the calculus is doing is explaining why the algebra works under some assumptions and not others. Even in four years of engineering school, I rarely used calculus.

    Keep in mind that a derivative can be expressed as a simple difference (subtraction) and an integral can be expressed as a simple summation.

    For example, Newton's second law only requires calculus if the acceleration of the system is changing. For practical classroom purposes, acceleration due to gravity is constant. No calculus required. (sort of)

    High school physics is teaching that the world can be described by math. The math that they will learn in physics without calculus will greatly help them understand calculus in the future. High school students don't need proofs, they need application. Application keeps kids interested.

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  11. Under the topic: "How the Universe Began" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I got preview of some content for the text-book:

    1 Oh hai. In teh beginnin Ceiling Cat maded teh skiez An da Urfs, but he did not eated dem.

    2 Da Urfs no had shapez An haded dark face, An Ceiling Cat rode invisible bike over teh waterz.

    3 At start, no has lyte. An Ceiling Cat sayz, i can haz lite? An lite wuz.4 An Ceiling Cat sawed teh lite, to seez stuffs, An splitted teh lite from dark but taht wuz ok cuz kittehs can see in teh dark An not tripz over nethin.5 An Ceiling Cat sayed light Day An dark no Day. It were FURST!!!1

    6 An Ceiling Cat sayed, im in ur waterz makin a ceiling. But he no yet make a ur. An he maded a hole in teh Ceiling.7 An Ceiling Cat doed teh skiez with waterz down An waterz up. It happen.8 An Ceiling Cat sayed, i can has teh firmmint wich iz funny bibel naim 4 ceiling, so wuz teh twoth day.

    9 An Ceiling Cat gotted all teh waterz in ur base, An Ceiling Cat hadz dry placez cuz kittehs DO NOT WANT get wet.10 An Ceiling Cat called no waterz urth and waters oshun. Iz good.

    11 An Ceiling Cat sayed, DO WANT grass! so tehr wuz seedz An stufs, An fruitzors An vegbatels. An a Corm. It happen.12 An Ceiling Cat sawed that weedz ish good, so, letz there be weedz.13 An so teh threeth day jazzhands.

    14 An Ceiling Cat sayed, i can has lightz in the skiez for splittin day An no day.15 It happen, lights everwear, like christmass, srsly.16 An Ceiling Cat doeth two grate lightz, teh most big for day, teh other for no day.17 An Ceiling Cat screw tehm on skiez, with big nails An stuff, to lite teh Urfs.18 An tehy rulez day An night. Ceiling Cat sawed. Iz good.19 An so teh furth day w00t.

    20 An Ceiling Cat sayed, waterz bring me phishes, An burds, so kittehs can eat dem. But Ceiling Cat no eated dem.21 An Ceiling Cat maed big fishies An see monstrs, which wuz like big cows, except they no mood, An other stuffs dat mooves, An Ceiling Cat sawed iz good.22 An Ceiling Cat sed O hai, make bebehs kthx. An dont worry i wont watch u secksy, i not that kynd uf kitteh.23 An so teh...fith day. Ceiling Cat taek a wile 2 cawnt.

    24 An Ceiling Cat sayed, i can has MOAR living stuff, mooes, An creepie tings, An otehr aminals. It happen so tehre. 25 An Ceiling Cat doed moar living stuff, mooes, An creepies, An otehr animuls, An did not eated tehm.

    26 An Ceiling Cat sayed, letz us do peeps like uz, becuz we ish teh qte, An let min p0wnz0r becuz tehy has can openers.

    27 So Ceiling Cat createded teh peeps taht waz like him, can has can openers he maed tehm, min An womin wuz maeded, but he did not eated tehm.

    28 An Ceiling Cat sed them O hai maek bebehs kthx, An p0wn teh waterz, no waterz An teh firmmint, An evry stufs.

    29 An Ceiling Cat sayed, Beholdt, the Urfs, I has it, An I has not eated it.30 For evry createded stufs tehre are the fuudz, to the burdies, teh creepiez, An teh mooes, so tehre. It happen. Iz good.

    31 An Ceiling Cat sayed, Beholdt, teh good enouf for releaze as version 0.8a. kthxbai.

    1. Re:Under the topic: "How the Universe Began" by oneTheory · · Score: 5, Funny

      Good fucking grief reading that made my head hurt.

  12. Copyright violation is not theft by Weaselmancer · · Score: 4, Informative

    You RIAA brain washed dupe.

    Theft is "the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent." Your example is theft.

    Copyright violation is "the unauthorized use of material that is covered by copyright law, in a manner that violates one of the copyright owner's exclusive rights, such as the right to reproduce or perform the copyrighted work, or to make derivative works." What CC suggests is most likely copyright violation, but that depends on the terms the book is released under.

    THEY ARE NOT THE SAME.

    Please stop modding idiocy like this as Insightful. It isn't. You're doing the RIAA's work for them when you allow their twisted definitions to gain mainstream acceptance.

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  13. Re:And this is why... by sp00n3r · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Physicists just can't agree on even the most basic aspects of their science.

    And who are you to make such a (ridiculous) claim?