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Successful Moonlighting For Geeks?

Lawksamussy writes "Having just bought a really old house that's on the verge of falling down, I'm now trying to find a way to pay to fix it up. I have a great job in software development that pays the bills, but I'm looking to earn some extra cash in my spare time. Whatever I end up doing has to be reasonably lucrative (or at least have the potential to be so), not require any specific time commitment, and be doable equally well from home or from a hotel room. I'm also keen that it should be sufficiently different to my day job to keep my interest up, so the most obvious things like bidding for programming projects on Rentacoder.com, or fixing up neighbors' PCs, aren't really on. Above all, it should appeal to my inner geek, otherwise my low boredom threshold will doom it to failure before I even start! So, I wonder if any of my fellow Slashdotters run little part-time ventures that they find more of an inspiration than a chore... and if they are willing to share what they do and perhaps even how much money they make doing it?"

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  1. Let me think... by chill · · Score: 5, Funny

    Reasonably lucrative, no major time commitment, can be done at home or a hotel room. Hmmmm...think, think, think.

    Have you tried an ad on Craigslist? Make sure to post a picture of yourself, along with your "rates". Good luck!

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    1. Re:Let me think... by somersault · · Score: 5, Funny

      It has to appeal to his geek side too though, so I recommend setting up a streaming feed from his webcam capturing all the action..

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    2. Re:Let me think... by Korbeau · · Score: 5, Funny

      "should be sufficiently different to my day job ...". No penetration testing then!

      I myself am into LaTeX, BSOD, backporting, deep throttling ...

      Fork the jokes ... I think EVERYONE reading this summary had the same line of thought, I'm even wondering if the poster is not a troll ;)

      "... it should appeal to my inner geek", I mean ... what are your other geeky interests? You can be curious, passionate and hack about anything ... if you're like me I'd suggest you glue lollipop stick model of things and sell them on eBay - good money! :)

    3. Re:Let me think... by Anarke_Incarnate · · Score: 5, Funny

      Light bondage requires LC/LC fiber optic cables. You are thinking of copper bondage. ;)

    4. Re:Let me think... by enoz · · Score: 5, Funny

      You'd have to be a twisted pair to try that.

    5. Re:Let me think... by preggie_greggie · · Score: 5, Funny

      Reasonably lucrative, no major time commitment, can be done at home or a hotel room. Hmmmm...think, think, think.

      Have you tried an ad on Craigslist?

      http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/orl/740493470.html

  2. Stay up late and watch informercials by BitZtream · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They all seem to be selling the get rich quick without spending any time and from any where you want using the Internet plans.

    The secret however is not to buy them, its to sell them.

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  3. Sell/ebay all your old tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've been doing this for a while and I've managed to release a fair bit of cash.

    1. Re:Sell/ebay all your old tech by Trogre · · Score: 5, Funny

      Great going, but how did you manage to find this guy's old tech?

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      "Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
  4. Fix the house, skip the 2nd job by catchy_handle · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Have you considered doing work on the house yourself? The money you save may make the second job unnecessary.

    My wife & I remodeled our previous house: tore off plaster, moved walls, rewired, tiled, etc. We hired out the roof tear off, rough plumbing work and some of the drywalling. Saved a ton of money. Eventually, it made more sense for me quit my low-paying job and become the full-time house repair dude while she worked her good job.

    It's not that hard, you learn new skills, have an excuse to aquire tools, and have something to be proud of. It did take seven years, though. YMMV

    This time around, we are paying others as much as we can, but we'll probably be left with a weathered-in shell.

    It's also a good way to find out you your friends really are. Forget moving day, real friends help you demo and haul.

    Good luck.

    1. Re:Fix the house, skip the 2nd job by martinQblank · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have to second this. Hire out the big jobs -- anything foundation-related/structural especially -- but otherwise learn to do it yourself. Yes, it will take longer but there is really a sense of accomplishment at the end. Presumably you bought the house because it either really appealed to you; you saw it as a great investment or whatever. If you feel strongly enough about it, you'll learn to do the job right. FWIW - I've owned seven -- and lived in five -- houses so far. Most have been fixer-uppers and I've enjoyed making each of them better than before. WARNING -- it can get addictive.

    2. Re:Fix the house, skip the 2nd job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As a former reno-carpenter, I'd have to suggest doing it yourself too. You're not going to make enough money moonlighting to pay for the kind of work that needs doing in anything like equal hours.

      That said... I don't know you, & thus how well you'll learn what needs to be done. You could take to this like a duck to water and have an excellent balance for your keyboard day job. And you could have a relationship-breaking disaster.

      And this just gives me chills: "Having just bought a really old house that's on the verge of falling down".

      You have no idea how big the hole is you're looking at. A moderately old house that seems pretty good to the amateur can be an enormous money pit. Gear up your humour and character, because you've bought yourself a gelatinous cube. (And I /do/ love the old houses. There's been a lot of hard lessons on the way to being the sort of guy who'll tell you to just knock it down and start over. But it's your adventure -- just realize it is an adventure, and it's going to be for the next several years. Good luck.)

    3. Re:Fix the house, skip the 2nd job by couchslug · · Score: 5, Informative

      Worked for me, three times!

      Buy COMMERCIAL quality basic power tools. The insane money you will save more than pays for them and they are a joy to use.

      Buy tools as you need them for a given task, and check prices/vendors on the net just as you would for computer parts.

      28-volt Milwaukee cordless tools are excellent. Set prices are much cheaper than "one at a time".

      Use a digital camera to take MANY before/during/after photos so you KNOW where the stuff you cover up in the walls is located! You'll have an owners manual for your home.

      Screws are usually better than nails, because you can (drumroll) UNscrew them and they hold much better. I don't use drywall screws even for drywall because they are brittle. Deck screws are rustproofed, tough, and trivially more expensive.

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    4. Re:Fix the house, skip the 2nd job by adolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'll be flamed for this, but: I think it's better to just do it yourself.

      I've owned two houses, both of them ancient. The first, which was small, appeared to be done; new flooring throughout, new paint inside, good siding outside, all new plumbing, new exterior doors, some new windows, mostly new wiring... Everything looked good. So we bought it and moved in.

      The drain for the kitchen sink ran uphill. The water heater (complete with recent inspection sticker) was plumbed backward. There was no attempt at plumbing venting. The office had 3-prong outlets, which lead to 2-conductor wire. The living room also had 3-prong outlets, which did appear to be actually grounded, but which were miswired somewhere, such that 60-cycle hum would emanate from the stereo -unless- the clothes drier was running, which I still haven't figured out. The new vinyl windows in the kitchen were overstuffed with insulation, such that the frame bowed to such an extent that it was nearly impossible to fully close and latch the things.

      This was all done, supposedly, by professionals.

      The second house is a bit different. About the same price, about the same age, the same quality of neighborhood, much larger (used to be a triplex), and totally trashed inside. Scary wiring, bad plumbing (every single pipe leaked, every single one), no heat upstairs, tired floor coverings, lousy exterior doors, etc. So we bought it, and began work. Once we had a functional bathroom and shower, we moved in.

      It's been an adventure, but at least I have an opportunity to do everything right the first time, instead of finding and fixing a million things that were done wrong. Including, of course, wiring, basement stairs, plumbing, flooring, kitchen cabinets, plaster where needed, drywall where practical...

      Plumbing is easy. I ripped out all of the old copper, galvanized, and black iron drain pipe, since it was all shit. Running new pressure lines is bloody easy these days thanks to the virtue of snap-on PEX fittings and manifolds with individual outlets for each room or fixture -- it's pretty hard to fuck up a line to a sink if it only has two connections. The drain lines are also pretty easy to figure out (shit goes downhill). Venting is harder to get right, but still not bad.

      Electrical wiring is easy. Drill up from below, or down from above, into the stud cavity. Pull the romex in. Black wire to the little side of the outlet, white to the big, and copper to the ground screw. Give the fridge and the sump pump their own circuits, so that something else in the house failing short and blowing a breaker doesn't result in a freezer full of spoiled food or a flood. Permanent lighting gets its own circuits, so that tripping a breaker doesn't result in darkness. Don't daisy-chain too many outlets, don't send too many wires into a single junction box, and always use a GFCI wherever there might ever be water, always ground metal boxes... So on, so forth. It's easy to overbuild with lots of independent circuits, and so one might as well do so.

      Even cutting in a 36" (up from 30") front door was easy.

      And real, honest-to-God 3/4"-thick solid oak flooring is both cheap to buy and easy (even fun) to install and finish, and truly wonderful when done.

      I've run ductwork professionally in the past, which is about the most braindead task in the world even with correct size reductions and consideration for laminar flow, and will probably tackle installing a high-efficiency gas furnace upstairs in the next month or two (before it gets really cold out).

      There's no way I'd have been able to hire someone else to do all of this work. And, given the quality of the "improvements" at the last last house, there's still no way I'd have hired any of it done even if I could afford to.

      Now, I didn't go about any of this lightly. I spent a long time studying plumbing before I even considered doing it myself, but it's not at all rocket science. I also spent some time brushing up on the NEC bef

  5. I run a global software company by Ostracus · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Everyone needs to run a software company."

    Are you based in India? :)

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    1. Re:I run a global software company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      No no, he said "Everyone needs to run a software company."

      If he were from India, it would be "Everyone is needing to be running a software company."

    2. Re:I run a global software company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That Bangalorese, if he's in northern India, it'd be: "Do the needful, run a software company."

    3. Re:I run a global software company by BluBrick · · Score: 5, Funny

      That remonds me of something that happened when I used to work for a well-known IT service provider which, at the time, had a large contract with a major American automobile manufacturer. From our offshore support in Thailand, we got this gem:

      Please do the needful. The customer is on fire.

      It took quite some time to work out what it meant. Apparently, "on fire" was the literal translation of a Thai expression for "very angry".

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  6. What would Tyler Durden do? by TeknoHog · · Score: 5, Funny

    a really old house that's on the verge of falling down

    Soap. Make and sell soap. Sell rich women their own fat asses back to them.

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  7. OnForce.com by RiffRafff · · Score: 5, Informative

    Check out OnForce.com. They look for people in your area to do one-off installs, change out UPS batteries, run cable, update virus programs; all kinds of things that make more sense to hire someone knowledgeable one time than to keep people on staff "just in case."

    I used these folks in my last gig to do field work all over the country...cheaper than flying someone out to do it.

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    "I might have made a tactical error in not going to a physician for 20 years." -- Warren Zevon
  8. Re:Remember: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    But that costs money!

  9. lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dear Slashdot,

    I consider myself fairly well off but just spent beyond my means, making me like most of middle class America. I'm now looking for a get-richer-quick scheme, preferably that can be done at home sitting on my ass, and whenever I want. It must also appeal to the inner sense of superiority I give myself at my day job... but it must NOT be like my day job.

    Sincerely,

    R.A. Tracer, Jr.

    1. Re:lol by Leebert · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, that about sums it up.

      I kept hearing my dad's voice in my head while reading this:

      "That's why it's called 'work', son."

  10. Drug Dealer by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 5, Funny

    Reasonably lucrative, no major time commitment, can be done at home or a hotel room.

    Seriously--there are not many legal options that meet your requirements.

    I'd suggest you take a little trip down to the "bad" part of your town and start talking to the guys you see standing around on the street corners. I'm sure one of them would be more than happy to help you set up a franchise of your own.

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  11. tutor by story645 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You've got a college degree in math/science, right? Tutoring hopeless college kids or high school kids from middle class families can net something like $50-75 an hour, more depending on your qualifications and neighborhood. Hours are totally flexible. Hell, if ethics aren't a problem, sell term papers and coding assignments while you're at it.

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  12. Re:grow pot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    You're completely out to lunch. There is almost no profit in LSD unless you are a primary manufacturer, in which case you "only" need about 8 years of organic chemistry experience, an advanced lab, and a couple of million dollars to buy precursors (and remember that ergotamine tartrate is closely monitored). Ecstasy has good profit margins, but the risks are high (it's a high profile LEO target), and you have to deal with the chance of getting bunk pills, as well as the kind of "cooks" who also run meth labs. You run a decent risk of getting jacked for your money buying a boat. Cocaine is even worse.

    "Research Chemicals" (designer drugs) are still where it's at-- unscheduled analogues of scheduled chemicals. Things like DOI, DOB, DOC, 2C-E, 2C-I, MDMCat (Methylone), *-DIPT, *-DMT, *-DPT, etc. You can get these things in bulk for next to nothing from otherwise legitimate chemical houses in China, and then turn around and sell them online. Since Operation Web Tryp, pressure has been higher from the DEA, but anonymous hosting, website security, encrypting all email communications, etc., should be right up the alley of any geek. Profit margins are incredibly impressive, and it's easy to move. Relatively insignificant weights have good profit margins, as opposed to something like cocaine where you have to move kilos to make significant money.

    For comparison, before Web Tryp you could get a gram of 5-MeO-DMT for about 200 dollars. You could easily sell it for a dollar a milligram. Go forth and profit on club scene kids with disposable income to burn (or snort, or eat, or inject).

  13. Geophysical data processing by SupplyMission · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Geophysical data processing may be what you are looking for. It fits what you are looking for, because you can do it from anywhere you have internet access, and the money is good. I have a few friends doing this kind of work from home during nights and weekends, while working full-time at their day jobs.

    Typical work situation: there will be a field crew somewhere in the world, acquiring geophysical measurements from an aircraft-based sensor platform, usually for the purpose of mineral exploration. Every night, they'll FTP the day's data to you. You do the bulk of the quality control, data reduction and processing work, and then upload the processed data back to the FTP. You'd also notify the field guys about any potential problems in the data. After that, the in-house specialists will do any final processing (leveling magnetic grids, fine drift corrections, etc.) and when the fieldwork is completed, they'll also prepare the client deliverables (maps, reports, interpretations, etc.).

    Hourly rates for this kind of work range anywhere from $25/hr to $80/hr ($200/day to $500/day). If there are no serious glitches in the data that need troubleshooting, a data processor with some computer skills can usually rip through a day's worth of data in 3 or 4 hours. So if you get your data at 7pm, you can be done before midnight and still get a good night's sleep and be ready for your "real" job the next day. (On the other hand, if you have a girlfriend or wife, you may get into some time sharing conflicts, because the production schedules usually don't tolerate much latency.)

    Educational requirements are typically a 4-year university/college Geophysics degree, or something somewhat related, such as Physics, Engineering, Math, etc. In any case, if you have a degree, your chances are good.

    Training will probably take a few weeks, for you to get some experience and develop a feel for what good and bad data look like. Essentially you are the first line of quality control, so it's up to you to quickly flag any problems that could be due to operator error, sensor malfunction, or other factors.

    You may or may not have to do some selling to potential employers to get them to let you work entirely from home. However, the way the mineral exploration market is these days (base metals such as copper and nickel are expensive), this shouldn't be difficult as there is too much data to process and not enough people.

    A few geophysics companies are always hiring data processors:

  14. Re:I run a software company by ceifeira · · Score: 5, Funny
    From your site:

    Our six core services

    • web development and design
    • network engineering
    • custom programming solutions
    • corporate identity design, marketing and promotion
    • IT consulting

    ?

  15. Re:Exposure. by smilindog2000 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This guy poses a legit question, and one that often poses ethical issues. Not only have I done a bit of moonlighting in my past, but I've always encouraged my best programmers to do a bit on the side. Without sampling that grass on the other side of the fence, those talented programmers I train are likely to hop over.

    As an old programmer (I'm 44), I've got a few stories. When I worked for David Burns at HP, my previous company, National Semiconductor, needed my help badly. The work David assigned was mind-numbingly boring, and the LM628/LM629 (motor controllers) I'd worked on at National were in serious trouble without me, and frankly they were fun (my old boss, David Squires, was about the best ever). I asked Mr Burns if I could do the project as a favor to old friends at National, and he said it was up for the HP *Board of Directors* to decide! So, if HP/Burns was going to be a PITA, without any pangs of lack of integrity, I stopped asking Burns what I could or could not do.

    I helped National push the LM628/LM629 into the market. Then, I quit working for Burns. As a consultant for a while, I wrote the original Simple Switcher design code (National did most of the work - bench validation). If you haven't heard of this line of products, you obviously aren't in power electronics. I enjoyed the consulting, but basically I sucked. I have this terrible desire to call stupid people stupid. It's *really* bad for consultants. So, now I'm CTO of a small company I founded, and I can't complain. Again, when my programmers feel the need for some moonlighting, I'm fully supportive. I've never lost a good one because of it.

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  16. Eldercare-a legal way to sell to the less capable. by RustinHWright · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For a few years I made my living doing a very geeky sort of eldercare. There are an awful lot of people, mostly women over the age of seventy-five, who need a hell of a lot of skilled help that a broadly skilled geek can provide. They are usually still managing three or four bank accounts, two to ten investment accounts, about twenty to fifty annual contributions, and various other expenses. And usually dealing with one or more personal aides, who almost never speak good English and even if they do, do a lot better with somebody young, firm, and capable who keeps them on target. And they are usually slowing dispersing their possessions, which frequently involves psychologically complex claims of interest in donating things but with dozens of conditions, most of which they can't even articulate. And all with families who want all of this dealt with but aren't going to make the time to be there enough to do this and would be hobbled by family dynamics if they even tried.

    Once you learn to see it that way, almost all of it is systems problems. Things that can be hacked.

    Add all of this up, and, especially when you added in the families who were in the process of moving from standalone homes to senior residences, I had far more work than I was willing to take on. And since I underpriced the market by charging thirty to fifty dollars an hour, I really got to pick and choose. Flexibility mattered far more to me than the marginal income. Just think of it as consulting work. The kind where the ability to keep a good timesheet is crucial, as is the ability to bill regularly, and then get the client to pay, which, when it goes wrong, is usually just another problem you can, ironically, bill to fix.

    The trick to all of this? Being capable enough that whether the problem is about bookkeeping or logistics or finding and managing a contractor, your answer can be "don't worry; I'll take care of it." If you can make that promise and keep it, you're golden. You'll probably, like me, end up needing to find one or more assistants to help out if you're not willing to commit to doing this full time. I tried to keep it all at about fifteen hours a week and while peak load (say, moves of large houses or medical crises) was quite a bit higher, on average I did just fine. Fwiw, I peaked at five assistants on a couple of big jobs. Finding and managing them was, of course, much of what I was being paid for.
    There are hundreds of thousands of affluent households who are just now moving from private homes into senior residences of one sort or another and the bottom line is that these residences are institutions. And from the food to the visual esthetics to the available services and schedules, these places are just not up to the job of satisfying these people who have had decades to get used to a higher standard. The person who can fill in that gap can write their own ticket.

    What I'm describing is a boom industry and will be for years to come and it uses most of the skills I learned as an IT director and consultant. Financial management, crisis management, learning to live the "pager lifestyle", handling subcontractors, and so on. Things like explaining the limitations of servers to PHBs and routing installs around union b.s. apply, too. Not to mention being able to switch from being "a suit" talking to a lawyer (or a doctor, or both at once) to climbing under a desk to see if a new outlet was done properly. But since you're working for a family, you've got waaay more flexibility than you do at a corporate job. And if you're good the word of mouth will get you as many clients as you're willing to take on.

    As for the "work from home" issue, like many kinds of consulting, for every hour you spend onsite, you spend half an hour to three hours offsite. Doing research, coordinating subcontractors, and so on. If you are online and can be on the phone for a while now and then, it doesn't matter if you're home, at work, or in the middle of a bro

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