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Indian Woman Convicted of Murder By Brain Scan

Kaseijin writes "Neuroscientist Champadi Raman Mukundan claims his Brain Electrical Oscillations Signature test is so accurate, it can tell whether a person committed or only witnessed an act. In June, an Indian judge agreed, using BEOS to find a woman guilty of killing her former fiancé. Scientific experts are calling the decision 'ridiculous' and 'unconscionable,' protesting that Mukundan's work has not even been peer reviewed. How reliable should a test have to be, when eyewitnesses are notoriously fallible? Does a person have a right to privacy over their own memories, or should society's interest in holding criminals accountable come first?"

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  1. I see Phrenology by the_skywise · · Score: 5, Informative

    is alive and well...

  2. Re:Interesting by thermian · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not American, but I AM someone whose worked voluntarily helping set up a shelter for battered Indian/Pakistani wives in the UK.

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  3. Re:Three things. by will_die · · Score: 5, Informative

    The summary is a little missleading.
    The two states in India that allow it have set up labs were the device was/is being tested, the lack of per review is that the people outside of India do not have full access.

    This is the second case where the judge has mentioned the test, the first was against a man. In the first case the judge said that the test was not used as "concluded proof" but that the tests backed the other evidence. In this case the judge include 9 pages on why he used the test results and defense of the system.
    As for its use, in India to have the test run on you requires that you volunteer. In the US I would guess it usage would have to meet the same requirements that were setup for lie detectors. A quick search shows that their has been no federal ruling, excluding that lie detectors don't work, so you have some locations where the judge can order a person, some where lie detectors were considered no different from taking a persons fingerprints, to others where they said a person could not be forced.

  4. Re:Interesting by PapaBoojum · · Score: 5, Informative

    Honor killings as you have read recently about in the media, did not happen in the same country

    Are you claiming that 'honor killings' do not occur in India?

    http://www.telegraphindia.com/1040113/asp/nation/story_2780541.asp

    http://www.onlinewomeninpolitics.org/archives/04_0112_in_wrights.htm

    Just like any other technology, now that its available, society has to make sense of how best to use it.

    Yes, and that is by throwing it in the heap with all the other pseudo-science and outright quackery.

  5. Re:5th by nomadic · · Score: 5, Informative

    Let's say you're psychic, or a witch, or some other controller of paranormal/supernatural powers. Let's say you're the real deal. What would you gain by stepping into the spotlight and announcing yourself?

    Under the Randi Challenge? A million dollars.

  6. Re:They think... by KillerBob · · Score: 5, Informative

    India's legal system, like the USA's, is based on the British Common Law system. In it, a suspect is innocent until proven guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt.

    It's a miscarriage of justice, even if this technology is ultimately vetted and proven 100% reliable, because right now, the technology is in question.

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  7. Re:The developed world has similar attitudes by Brian+Ribbon · · Score: 4, Informative

    You're very welcome to support the anti-paedophile crusade, but shallow perceptions of paedophiles lead to hysterical responses like this.

    It won't be long before the UK and US has taken away all of its citizens' freedoms under the guise of "protecting children from paedophiles".

    You seem to believe that people should be imprisoned for being attracted to children. Around 25-33% of men are aroused by children*; who is going to pay for that level of imprisonment?

    Occurrence of Paedophilia in the General Population

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  8. Re:They think... by phlinn · · Score: 5, Informative

    Beyond a reasonable doubt, not beyond a shadow of a doubt. There is a huge difference there.

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  9. Re:James Randi challenge by forgot_my_nick · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually if you bothered to JFG, to would find that the $1,000,00.00 is in an endownent fund account administered by Golman Sachs, so bar the bank collapsing or it getting embezzeled, the money is real qand is going nowhere.

    See http://www.randi.org/joom/challenge-info.html for further info

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  10. Re:The developed world has similar attitudes by Obyron · · Score: 4, Informative

    Paedophilia tends to imply that the children are prepubescent. Sexual attraction to jailbait is called Ephebophilia. Not enough people know this bit of vocabulary.

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