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LHC Shut Down By Transformer Malfunction

Ortega-Starfire writes "A 30-ton transformer in the Large Hadron Collider malfunctioned, requiring complete replacement on the day the LHC came online. No one at CERN reported any problems, and they only released this data once the Associated Press sent people to investigate rumors of problems. I guess it's hard to just sweep a 30-ton transformer breaking under the rug."

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  1. Why the tone in the summary? by hairykrishna · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The summary reads like it's some kind of attempted cover up. Maybe it's because they thought that an equipment failure wasn't exactly news? The little accelerator I use has been down for a week because of a borked turbo pump. Should I phone Reuters?

    It's a big, complicated machine - shit breaks. It gets fixed. I wouldn't worry about it unless you're waiting for beam time.

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    1. Re:Why the tone in the summary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You've clearly never participated in any big launch of a technology. Heck, if software project first demos went as well as the LHC's, developers would be ecstasic.

    2. Re:Why the tone in the summary? by coldkryten · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Isn't this the controversial machine that may or may not destroy the planet itself?

      Goddammit NO. It's the machine that will not destroy the planet, but some controversial people have done a damn good job of spreading rumors that it will. The point of the LHC is to re-create events that occur everywhere in the universe all the time, including here on earth. It's just not practical to put 50' diameter detectors hanging in the upper atmosphere and wait for a particle collision to happen inside of one.

    3. Re:Why the tone in the summary? by BitZtream · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think the problem is that everyone who actually understands this big complicated machine also understands they break, especially when first built.

      This are one of a kind structures. Everyone who matters in the project or in the community that really knows how it works and what it does has probably dealt with previous ones ... which breaking or needing major changes early on isn't a shocker for them.

      To the guys who are working on it, it was probably just a question of what broke, not if it broke. We're not talking about creating a piston engine, which we've been doing for a hundred years, we're talking about new technology custom built for the project for the most part. The transformer probably wasn't, but they break too. I have a coworker whos husband worked for a large power company, helping to install substations, it wasn't suprising to him that it broke, appearently for large scale transformers its still hit or miss when they first start being used.

      If no one involved in the project is really 'shocked' that it broke, maybe it the thought that it should be a media frenzy never crossed their minds?

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    4. Re:Why the tone in the summary? by tenco · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yay, scientists have facts, but the rest of people will have questions.

      Actually it's the other way round.

    5. Re:Why the tone in the summary? by cornjones · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's just not practical to put 50' diameter detectors hanging in the upper atmosphere and wait for a particle collision to happen inside of one.

      heh, b/c building a 27km underground tunnel is generally considered "practical".

      Note that I am in very much favor of these highly experimental projects but I don't really think of them as practical.

  2. I don't really think CERN owe the media any favors by sleeponthemic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What with, you know, most of the world's population thinking that day was the critical "black-hole" day.

    Whilst I'm sure that is beneficial for CERN in the context that most people will be completely unaware on the day that full speed collisions are truly started, I do not for one moment think the media had that intention. A publicised failure would only serve to increase people's prejudice.

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  3. Not Everyone Has That Degree by Kneo24 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well that's great that you have that degree, but not everyone does. To people who aren't too familiar with that area of study or work, saying "30 tons" paints a much better picture in the reader's minds.

    1. Re:Not Everyone Has That Degree by repapetilto · · Score: 2, Insightful

      so say both? I mean its like 5 extra characters.

  4. Not News and News by DynaSoar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you read TFA, you discover that it, but not the provided summary on /., says it was news to nobody in the field that something broke. What's not said here, but said in TFA and far more worthy of mention, is that they replaced it and were running again the next day, well before AP even inquired. Falling prey to the cheap journalistic gimmick of awfulism, are we?

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    1. Re:Not News and News by Rhesusmonkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But without sensationalism and misrepresentation, what would we have to wring our hands over???

      You want some really interesting discussion, hunt down gorilla199's youtube account. "Satan's stargate"... now THAT's entertainm...I mean information. ROFL...

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  5. Re:morethanmeetstheeye by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have been bestowed with mod points almost continuously for the past month(5 or 6 times anyways). Sadly, since I don't mod down, I have barely used them since the comment quality is nearing that of digg... Someone say something insightful PLEASE!

  6. Slashdot- your source for yellow (tech) journalism by EjectButton · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For those who only read the "summary" (I use this term loosely) and aren't familiar with the LHC you may be surprised to learn that:
    this is not a major failure
    there is no sinister cover-up
    no one was ever in any danger

    Thanks for some more fear-mongering doomsday garbage "news" Slashdot. The purpose of editors, at least for non-tabloid news sources, is to filter factually inaccurate and inflammatory nonsense, not seek it out.

  7. Re:I have a degree in electrical engineering... by tukkayoot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's a fairly standard measurement for mass, though. Transformers have mass, so it's perfectly applicable, especially when you are trying to underscore the massiveness of the piece of equipment in question, rather than its functional capability. If the person writing the article/summary wanted to underscore the cost of the unit, he might have measured it in US dollars. That's what journalists do: describe things in terms their readers might understand or care about. And most of their readers aren't pedantic electrical engineers.

  8. Re:Transformers... by RockoTDF · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There, fixed that for you. Also, turn in your geek badge.

    Fixed.

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  9. Re:What, did Fermilab make the transformer too? by Born2bwire · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They really can't be called rivals though. Fermilab cannot replicate the experiments that LHC can perform and Fermilab probably cannot be upgraded to do so on a feasible budget. When Fermilab became the most powerful accelerator in the world (and it did find new quarks and what not because of it) it did not put CERN out of business and LHC is not going to do that to Fermilab (our own government can do that on their own).

  10. Re:I have a degree in electrical engineering... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    ...and I didn't realize the standard measurement for transformers had been changed to tons. Must be a European measurement?

    I think kVA or MVA would be a better statistic.

    when it stops working thats the only measurement useful

  11. Re:Not the end of the world... by edsousa · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Its not called 'quench'. Its called holy shit.

  12. Anthropic Principle by jibjibjib · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The transformer malfunction was inevitable, due to the anthropic principle. In every possible universe in which the transformer didn't malfunction, the LHC destroyed the world and we couldn't observe that it didn't malfunction. :p

  13. Re:morethanmeetstheeye by MC+Negro · · Score: 5, Insightful
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    No offense to digg or the OP, BTW :-)

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