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Revamped WebKit JavaScript Engine Doubles In Speed
Shin-LaC writes "In a post on their official blog, WebKit developers introduced the 'next generation' of their JavaScript engine, SquirrelFish Extreme, claimed to be twice as fast as its predecessor. The post lists several changes contributing to the performance improvements, including 'bytecode optimization,' a 'polymorphic inline cache' (which sounds similar to V8's 'hidden class transitions'), and a 'context threaded JIT' compiler which generates native code (currently only for x86 processors), and is also applied to regular expressions. The new JavaScript engine is already available in the latest WebKit nightly builds. According to comparative benchmarks, the new engine is around 35% faster than the V8 engine recently introduced in Google Chrome, and 55% faster than Mozilla's TraceMonkey."
As you can see in this bar graph, our bar is bigger than our competitors' bars.
I know you're just trolling, but Javascript is actually getting fun to program in for recreational purposes. It reminds me of assembly programming back in the day, at least that's where its development seems to be in terms of a programming language. It's actually fun to hack, and you can already do some nifty things like pseudo-threading using its window.setTimeout() function and some clever programming. The fact that the engines are getting more powerful just makes it more fun and likely to pay off.
I remember when C/C++/ASM programming was fun to hack, until the age of monolithic libraries like MFC and OWL (and now things like the JDK and .Net) came and ruined that fun by restricting your freedom. If there's one thing that will make me buy into the whole browser-as-OS thing, it's an efficient, bare-bones and flexible Javascript implementation, kind of like programming in C for your browser.
An old-timer with old-timey ideas.
'bytecode optimized polymorphic inline cache'.
Sig this!
No, I will not get off your lawn. Space/speed is a tradeoff. At the moment, we have even bottom of the barrel desktops selling with large amounts of memory. With the eventual rise of 64 bit, expect the amounts to go up even more. There's no reason to avoid taking advantage of this. What's the point of having this huge (seriously, look at the memory difference from now and 10 years ago) amount of memory to just let it sit there, save the occasional multimedia editing task?
As for your game, it seems to be using quite a huge chunk of memory as well. You know, one of the things we've seen in the past few releases of any modern 3D game is that new features seem to increase the already monumental footprint of current games. And hell, I'm using my browser at least 10 times longer a day than I'm playing a game. I want my browser to be snappy, I don't mind not visiting Super Ultra JS Web App 3.6 if I'm going to be playing a resource intensive game. In fact, I probably wouldn't be using my browser at all anyway.
But that last paragraph is just my personal experience, YMMV
This is a wonderful example of what happens when there are open standards and healthy competition! The consumer is the winner!
Is that why /. "consumers" mostly use NoScript?
Malware: Now 35% faster.
[Fuck Beta]
o0t!
Firefox 3.1 (pre-release) uses less memory than Firefox 3, which uses less memory than Firefox 2. Compiled javascript takes a tiny fraction of the total memory used by a web browser. The vast majority is uncompressed bitmaps and string fragments.
Why? Does apple even sell those anymore?
Once you start despising the jerks, you become one.
Anyone using the term "gaming Experience" deserves to have it ruined.
Just because NoScript users are loud doesn't make them a majority.
You know what I can't believe? I can't believe this crap got modded up. Talk about a disingenuous argument if I ever saw one.
Call me when:
If Microsoft did even HALF of that you could act all high and mighty. But from where I stand, you're just another Microsoft shill. Be gone!!!
Javascript + Nintendo DSi = DSiCade
History lesson for people tempted to fall for this troll:
Once upon a time, people sold browsers just like they sold any other piece of software. Netscape were making money licensing their browser for corporate environments. The web, and consequently its leader, Netscape, threatened Microsoft's desktop monopoly. So Microsoft used all the cash they had from selling desktop operating systems, bought a web browser (defrauding that company in the process) and spent lots of money developing it further. Then they gave it away for free, at a massive loss to themselves, to "cut off Netscape's air supply". Still, that wasn't enough to unseat Netscape, so Microsoft went further and bundled it into their operating system too. Now all of a sudden 95% of the people on the planet had Microsoft's browser whether they liked it or not - and Netscape were basically dead.
Microsoft were able to eliminate the competition not because they offered a better product, but because they had a dominant position in another market and were willing to dump their product on the market no matter the cost, to put another company out of business. This is not how capitalism is supposed to work. The free market cannot deal with this situation well. The invisible hand is tied behind its invisible back. So in many countries, abusing a monopoly position in this way is illegal. And that's why Microsoft is vilified here - because they acted like bullies, took something dear to geeks, and shat all over it to make money.
Now that browsers are a commodity, how are Apple and Google harming the browser market with anticompetitive actions? Answer - they aren't. They are actually competing by providing better products. And that's why it's completely different to what Microsoft did.
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I would go a little further than that, realizing this is difficult to swallow for many following the javascript/ajax bashing meme here on Slashdot for so long, but in their desire to snub it as something "real" software engineers wouldn't touch (or is it fear of change from an aging community?) the clear reality IMHO is that javascript is taking over the role on the client side that java was supposed to be, and it is to be the platform for Google and such to compete against MS on the desktop. You can choose to ignore that, but I doubt it's a good career move, especially considering some of the powers behind it, pushing the technology. Kids today, where they used to make MS apps, they now make apps for the browser. MS is shitting its pants by hanging on to a non auto-update of IE6, while IE8 seemingly will sabotage canvas and whatever it can target. They can't keep behind forever with IE6, so it seems the strategy with IE8 will be to battle all that with Silverlight, working best on IE8 of course, to keep the audience on the MS world. I wouldn't underestimate them either whatever you think of that strategy, for the mere fact 25% still use IE6 and seem to be in their hands to start with.
(the engines won't get any slower)
Clearly you haven't seen the plans for IE9.
By using Chrome as your preferred browser, your E-Penis will increase by a whopping 74%.
``I would go a little further than that, realizing this is difficult to swallow for many following the javascript/ajax bashing meme here on Slashdot for so long, but in their desire to snub it as something "real" software engineers wouldn't touch (or is it fear of change from an aging community?) the clear reality IMHO is that javascript is taking over the role on the client side that java was supposed to be,''
Speaking as someone who isn't entirely happy with the direction JavaScripts have taken since the invention of the term "AJAX", perhaps I can shed some light on that. I can't speak for the entire "aging community", but there are bound to be some people who agree with my opinions.
First of all, calling AJAX bashing a meme is somewhat misleading. I did not speak out against it because it was a meme, I spoke out against it because I had actual technical and philosophical objections. Some of that is emotional: I resent the hype around AJAX. It wasn't actually new; I have been doing stuff like that since 1997 or thereabouts. Where's my recognition? But, the grumpiness of an old man aside, let's look at the technical aspects.
Many modern, cool websites try to use JavaScript, HTML, CSS, and HTTP to create user interfaces that resemble those of desktop applications. These web technologies were meant to support a request-response model, where each response is essentially a static page. Using JavaScript and CSS, developers create the illusion that it isn't a static page, but a dynamic environment with windows, buttons, menus, popups, anymation, smooth transitions, interaction, etc. In other words, an environment that is nothing like how the web used to be. To support this illusion, heaps of JavaScript are piled on disfigured HTML, and HTTP requests are abused to send what should be small pieces of data to and from the server.
In the process, compatibility is thrown out of the window - don't try to view any of those pages with an unsupported browser, and don't try to analyze the page with a web spider; you will only end up with garbage. Even if you have a supported browser, you will need a pretty powerful computer to get anywhere near decent responsiveness from what are really very primitive user interfaces. This is why I have opposed the wave of AJAX websites. It's not that I don't think the things that are being built with it aren't cool. But they are being built on the wrong technology, which yields suboptimal results and, at the same time, inhibits the adoption of what would be the right technologies. I am happy to see fancy interactive applications being built on open standards, rather than on proprietary technology, but I would rather have it be built on standards that were designed for it, rather than breaking existing standards to get something that sort of works, if you have a fast computer and the right browser. And yes, I do regard any HTML that can't be usefully processed by a search engine or screen reader as broken.
All this is is nothing against JavaScript. I think JavaScript is a nice language, and I am happy to see we're finally working on creating implementations that aren't dog slow. Perhaps we can also add some useful features...for example, raw sockets, so that we don't have to occur the overhead of a full HTTP request any time we wish to communicate with another system. And perhaps we could actually standardize APIs to functionality like native widgets (how is XUL these days?) and drawing functions (something like Cairo, perhaps?). Then we would have a platform that is actually good for interactive applications. Throw in some support for libraries (with caching and versioning) so that not everything needs to be reloaded all the time, and it's starting to look like a very workable solution.
You see, I am not opposed to change ... I am opposed to changing in a direction we know isn't very good, when we know how to make it better.
Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.