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US Army To Develop "Thought Helmets"

Hugh Pickens writes "Time Magazine reports on a $4 million US Army contract to begin developing 'thought helmets' to harness silent brain waves for secure communication among troops that the Army hopes will 'lead to direct mental control of military systems by thought alone.' The Army's initial goal is to capture brain waves with software that translates the waves into audible radio messages for other troops in the field. 'It'd be radio without a microphone,' says Dr. Elmar Schmeisser, the Army neuroscientist overseeing the program. 'Because soldiers are already trained to talk in clean, clear and formulaic ways, it would be a very small step to have them think that way.' The key challenge will be to develop software able to pinpoint speech-related brain waves and pick them up with a 128-sensor array that ultimately will be buried inside a helmet. Scientists deny charges that they're messing with soldiers' minds. 'A lot of people interpret wires coming out of the head as some sort of mind reading,' says Dr. Mike D'Zmura. 'But there's no way you can get there from here.' One potential civilian spin-off: a Bluetooth Helmet so people nearby can't hear you when you talk on your cell phone."

226 comments

  1. US Army Chief of Staff To Develop "Thought" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    US Army Chief of Staff To Develop "Thought"

    1. Re:US Army Chief of Staff To Develop "Thought" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Thought" is grossly overrated, and has been superseeded by "hope" and "change".

    2. Re:US Army Chief of Staff To Develop "Thought" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Better than "shock" and "awe".

    3. Re:US Army Chief of Staff To Develop "Thought" by melikamp · · Score: 1

      Objection! Assumes organ not in evidence!

    4. Re:US Army Chief of Staff To Develop "Thought" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      superseeded

      I for one welcome our new hope and change farmer overlords.

    5. Re:US Army Chief of Staff To Develop "Thought" by nickthisname · · Score: 1

      Hope to change. Then got drunk and forgot about it.
      Shit!

    6. Re:US Army Chief of Staff To Develop "Thought" by kayditty · · Score: 0

      what do farmers have to do with bit torrent?

    7. Re:US Army Chief of Staff To Develop "Thought" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aint nobody in this rag seen the possibilities for this shit?! Anybody EVER heard of countermeasures for this obvious mind bending. First it is mind control as the next step. Turn 'em all into Borg berserkers is only the first step for team 'A'. Then team 'B' figures out the system and applies a counter..get all the team 'A' troops to turn on their 'officers/mind benders. Yeah! Do a little mind bending of their own. This is just the next in our little checker games called war. Been a troop for years and can see INSTANTLY what is goin on that all you apes what never been there cant. Downside is the 'helmets will be cheap and the robots that would replace the soulless soldiers are expensive. With free 'immigration' the supply of soldier/victims would be seemingly endless. Lots of immigrants know that the way to citizenship is to fight for this country. What a cruel way to sell them out. Only a bunch of republicans could have thought of this mind reading/control/roboticization equipment

    8. Re:US Army Chief of Staff To Develop "Thought" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Thought" is grossly overrated, and has been superseeded by "hope" and "change".

      You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a.... What the hell are we talking about here?

    9. Re:US Army Chief of Staff To Develop "Thought" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Thought" is grossly overrated, and has been superseeded by "hope" and "change".

      Yeah! Thought just makes people spell superseded correctly.

  2. TEMPEST... by armie · · Score: 5, Funny

    One problem with this is any electrical activity on the brain detected is then amplified. This makes TEMPEST attacks on the thoughts of the soldier much easier as the attacker already has an amplifier attached to the soldier. Solution? Every US Army soldier needs to wear a tin foil hat!

    1. Re:TEMPEST... by smittyoneeach · · Score: 3, Funny

      If you can simply avoid falling into the vector graphics pit in the first place, the TEMPEST attacks are trivially avoided.

      --
      Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
    2. Re:TEMPEST... by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

      Dystopia alert.

      The complete technological dystopia clock now reads at 11:42.

      --
      "Flyin' in just a sweet place,
      Never been known to fail..."
    3. Re:TEMPEST... by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but it's an atomic clock. Prenty of time.
      Then again, you never know which heartbeat shall be the last, so why fret, unless you're a guitar?

      --
      Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
    4. Re:TEMPEST... by JustOK · · Score: 1

      that's why I'm so high strung and everyone is picking on me

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      rewriting history since 2109
    5. Re:TEMPEST... by flappinbooger · · Score: 1

      Tinfoil hat on top of his mind-reading army hat?

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      Flappinbooger isn't my real name
    6. Re:TEMPEST... by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      Who sticks out their neck scores the most riffs.

      --
      Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
    7. Re:TEMPEST... by bsDaemon · · Score: 1

      because the fretted electric base is pretty nice, although a Fender Jazz Bass with fret markers rather than actual frets do play a lot smoother. I likes them.

    8. Re:TEMPEST... by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1
      --
      Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
    9. Re:TEMPEST... by DamienNightbane · · Score: 1

      I got a stern talking to in Basic Training when I was in the hospital and made a tinfoil hat to protect from government mind control waves.

  3. Prior to the filter? by Dwedit · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Wouldn't this take stuff before people have the ability to filter what they say and speak it out loud?

    1. Re:Prior to the filter? by gazita123 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, I can just imagine the sort of filter they would need to put on it to prevent fantasy thoughts from being made real (at least to keep the noise down). Swearing alone would take up at least half of the filter.

    2. Re:Prior to the filter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you can speak silently by talking so soft that your vocal cords don't move, on Slashdot NASA claimed you could detect the impulses that still move toward your vocal cords as you mimic speaking. And as funding almost runs out you can then realize that you could also pick up some off the shelve mind reading gaming tech and communicate in morse code, and present that as a effective first development of your tech.

      Anyway what's up with all the USA military might bragging? Feeling a bit insecure now that the corporate FED has forced their bail out onto taxpayers? Anyway from now on we can say stuff like:

      In communist USA tin hats control you!

    3. Re:Prior to the filter? by cbhacking · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It sounds like they're tapping into the signals that would normally be sent to the muscles (not to the motor nerves themselves, but the last stage prior to them). In a computer analogy, this would be like reading signals between the filesystem driver and the physical device driver - all the "filtering" of what you would actually say has probably already been done. Similarly, this wouldn't catch fleeting thoughts which you would never vocalize. On the other hand, it quite possibly *would* catch thoughts which you would normally say only under your breath or when the mic is off. There's still plenty of potential for embarassment...

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    4. Re:Prior to the filter? by stephanruby · · Score: 3, Informative

      Wouldn't this take stuff before people have the ability to filter what they say and speak it out loud?

      Who knows? The military probably doesn't. After all, the military experimented with LSD long before it knew what it was. That's what so great about working with live soldiers. Our soldiers have no rights. They signed them away -- when they signed on the dotted line.

    5. Re:Prior to the filter? by derfy · · Score: 1

      Nah, you're probably mist--I fantasize about kissing Patty Nelson!

    6. Re:Prior to the filter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      On the other hand, it quite possibly *would* catch thoughts which you would normally say only under your breath or when the mic is off.

      Wow, this guy's hot!

    7. Re:Prior to the filter? by aplusjimages · · Score: 1

      It's really to see who is gay and who is not. Whoever has gay thoughts will have to be let go because remember it's a don't ask don't think it type of military.

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    8. Re:Prior to the filter? by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 5, Funny

      Drill Sergeant: I am Gunnery Sergeant Hartman, your senior drill instructor. From now on you will speak only when spoken to, and the first and last words out of your filthy sewers will be sir. Do you maggots understand that?

      Recruits: Sir, yes sir.

      Helmet: What a dickhead.

    9. Re:Prior to the filter? by FlyingBishop · · Score: 1

      In capitalist USA tin hats control you!

      Fixed that for you.

    10. Re:Prior to the filter? by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

      They can have a button to press for letting it get to the radio broadcaster.
      Kind of like the Transmit buttons already found on the radios, just hooked up to the helmet rather than a mic.

    11. Re:Prior to the filter? by CFBMoo1 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nifty... I can see guys getting in real trouble with this. "Man that captain is hot, I wonder how she..."

      *Stern look from the Captain*

      "Uh umm..." *takes off helm*

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    12. Re:Prior to the filter? by lilo_booter · · Score: 1

      Well the results of some of those LSD experiments were quite interesting watching anyway.

    13. Re:Prior to the filter? by arbitraryaardvark · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't ask, don't tell, don't think.

      +1 sad.

    14. Re:Prior to the filter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So much for don't ask, don't tell!

    15. Re:Prior to the filter? by Cor-cor · · Score: 1

      Swearing alone would take up at least half of the filter.

      And the other half is someone just yelling, "VEETO!"

    16. Re:Prior to the filter? by RyoShin · · Score: 2, Informative

      Perhaps I'm not fully understanding it, but I believe they don't have the ability to do on-the-spot translation. Instead, soldiers would likely go through a training regiment where they "think" commands, and the helmets are tuned for them personally while trying to get patterns as uniform as possible.

      So when they think "Bravo Team Forward", the helmet recognizes the expected brain waves and translates it. When they think "I could use a mallomar bar and a hooker", the helmet ignores it. You'd get a lot of gibberish in the middle of battle, anyway.

    17. Re:Prior to the filter? by hoofinasia · · Score: 1

      Research out of the big U's has (from what I've read, limited, granted) focused on recognizing the flash of brain waves when activity is decided upon. It seems the decision to make even a snap or fleeting choice is determined 20 or so seconds before you know and act. Some people got a robot to decide which ball to pick up based on the "surprise" reaction that people have when a robot expresses interest in the ball they were thinking about. That kind of stuff translates directly to hardware and real-life control. Communication I know less about, but I'm led to believe its a small thing nowadays to match a brain pattern to a past event as its being recalled. There was a study recently that could predict with better than random accuracy a persons choice (1 of a few options) based on certain brain patterns, and they've mapped specific memories as they are being recalled, but not in real time yet.

      I guess where I'm going with this is, once you decide to speak, the helmet would probably catch that, match a pattern to words (or ideas) you know from the past (training, for instance) and transmit that. It'd be even easier to match a specific pattern, say "transmit via helmet." So perhaps thats the training they were referring to. After all, my brother, who just got off a stint in Kosovo, was pretty quick to tell me they hammer specific phrases into a soldier. Vocabulary is a big deal, making this pattern matching even easier.

    18. Re:Prior to the filter? by sweet_petunias_full_ · · Score: 1

      Young soldiers also spend a lot of time daydreaming about sex.

      Tank Soldier: "Did you just think an order that I should load the cannon repeatedly?"

      Tank Sargeant: "No, uh, never mind that. It was *cough* something else."

      Tank Soldier: "Hey, you just thought of smacking me on the face!"

      Tank Sargeant: "Did not."

      Tank Soldier: "Did too."

      Tank Sargeant: "What? That's my girlfriend you were just thinking about!"

      Tank Soldier: "I'm thinking it on purpose. So there."

      Somwhere on the battlefield, a tank starts going in circles for no apparent reason.

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      You can't send a takedown notice to an already printed newspaper.
    19. Re:Prior to the filter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Am I the only one here thinking telepathy as a possible application in future. Probably not us (our brains maybe capable but our minds might not be accommodating enough to accept and adapt to the new concept) but maybe our children or their children with the proper training can learn to filter their thoughts for it. We do after all filter our thoughts into speech currently after training for the most part of our younger years with varying degrees of success. Maybe it can be just as easy or hard.

    20. Re:Prior to the filter? by vivian · · Score: 1

      Is it still a captalist system if the state is having to effectively buy the banks and run them, to prevent total collapse?
      I suspect that might have been the OP's point.

  4. Firefox: But they MUST think in Russian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    But they MUST think in Russian!!!

    Seriously, $4 million is pocket change in the military budget.

  5. Too much GitS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Evidently someone has been watching too much Ghost in the Shell...

    1. Re:Too much GitS by Randwulf · · Score: 1

      Or Macross Plus.

    2. Re:Too much GitS by mfnickster · · Score: 1

      Or Bugs Bunny:

      "Oh mighty warrior, 'twill be quite a task.
      How will you do it, might I enquire to ask?"

      "I will do it with my spear and magic helmet!"

      "Your spear and magic helmet?"

      "Spear and magic helmet!"

      "Magic helmet?"

      "MAGIC HELMET!"

      "....pfft, 'magic helmet!'"

      --
      "Slow down, Cowboy! It has been 3 years, 7 months and 26 days since you last successfully posted a comment."
    3. Re:Too much GitS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When can i be cyberized?

  6. I can see it now... by neokushan · · Score: 4, Funny

    (All thought, of course)

    "Private Jenkins, Cover me!"
    "Sir, Yes, Sir!....man, sarge is so cool and he has such a great ass! He can cov-er-me-an-e-time-he-likes, tee-hee!"
    "Uhh...private Jenkins?!"
    "Uhh uhh yes, sarge?"
    "...I think I love you, too"

    And then they'd get shot or something. Anyway, the moral of the story is...well...I forget, what were we thinking about, again?

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    +1 IDisagreeSoHeMustBeATrollOrAnAstroturferOrAShill
    1. Re:I can see it now... by popesnarky · · Score: 1

      Hail Eris!

      Yeah, it's a great idea. Everyone should know what dying people are thinking.

      Snarky

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      All Hail Discordia!
      Snarky
      "To have too much and not enough is like a boat person with sideburns."
    2. Re:I can see it now... by ergean · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Lerrrrroooyyy Jenkins!!!!!!!"

  7. You know, helmets are so uncomfortable... by Pichu0102 · · Score: 3, Funny

    They should really look into other ways to deploy something like this. Maybe something that could be injected into a person. Perhaps nanotechnology?

    1. Re:You know, helmets are so uncomfortable... by oodaloop · · Score: 1

      Well, they already wear a rather large and uncomfortable kevlar helmet and I doubt this will replace it in combat. Perhaps this is meant for in-the-rear commo vice while out on patrol. Or perhaps it will be incorporated into the existing helmet and commo systems. This being /., I couldn't be bothered with RTFA and finding out.

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      Tic-Tac-Toe, Global Thermonuclear War, and relationships all have the same winning move.
    2. Re:You know, helmets are so uncomfortable... by neokushan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah and helmets have that nasty habit of preventing battlefield debris from getting lodged in your brain. Somehow I think that's worth being a tad uncomfortable.

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      +1 IDisagreeSoHeMustBeATrollOrAnAstroturferOrAShill
    3. Re:You know, helmets are so uncomfortable... by MythMoth · · Score: 0

      You're saying they can stop stuff like the tubgirl picture from lodging in my brain? Where can I get one?

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      --- These are not words: wierd, genious, rediculous
    4. Re:You know, helmets are so uncomfortable... by OolimPhon · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...Perhaps this is meant for in-the-rear commo vice while out on patrol...

      Jesus! You mean this thing gets rectally inserted? Oh, wait... that would mean it would be near the soldier's brain then... good idea!

    5. Re:You know, helmets are so uncomfortable... by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      If you can inject and use a transmitter this way, in real life, I've got at least 2 Nobel Prizes lined up and waiting for you. If you go all the way back to college biology, it's not polite to stuff probes directly into nerves and tends to damage them. But if the probe isn't in, or right against the nerve, the electrical noise from all the others swamps it. And there is no known solution to the problem.

    6. Re:You know, helmets are so uncomfortable... by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      Well, they already wear a rather large and uncomfortable kevlar helmet

      Bah! Kids nowadays! The new Advanced Combat Helmet they issue now is NICE compared to that old nasty PASGT we had in the 90's. It's only 3.25 lbs vs seven freakin' pounds, and has a higher back and 4-point strap so it doesn't slide down over your eyes when you go prone.

      perhaps it will be incorporated into the existing helmet and commo systems.

      yes, that's the plan.

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      If a job's not worth doing, it's not worth doing right.
    7. Re:You know, helmets are so uncomfortable... by edwebdev · · Score: 1

      Helmets are irrelevant. Comfort is irrelevant. Your culture will adapt to service us. We will add your economic and petrochemical distinctiveness to our own. Resistance is futile.

  8. But will it run on lemons? by oodaloop · · Score: 1

    Every soldier could use a little zest now and then.

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    Tic-Tac-Toe, Global Thermonuclear War, and relationships all have the same winning move.
    1. Re:But will it run on lemons? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The real question here is...

      Will it blend?

  9. For use in new aircraft? by lobiusmoop · · Score: 1

    Must remember to think in Russian when using the USSR version.

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    "I bless every day that I continue to live, for every day is pure profit."
    1. Re:For use in new aircraft? by MPAB · · Score: 1

      In Soviet Rusia, helmet thinks YOU!

    2. Re:For use in new aircraft? by DrVxD · · Score: 1

      Must remember to think in Russian when using the USSR version.

      Don't you mean:
      "Must remember to think in Russian when using FireFox?"

      --
      Not everything that can be measured matters; Not everything that matters can be measured.
    3. Re:For use in new aircraft? by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

      That's the second time in this thread I have seen this. What does it mean?

    4. Re:For use in new aircraft? by Ghworg · · Score: 1

      Firefox, an early 80s film starring Clint Eastwood who is sent to steal a Russian thought-controlled jet.

  10. Sweet by Layth · · Score: 1

    I can't wait until they release the mind-reading API.

  11. change thinking? by Luke_22 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    'Because soldiers are already trained to talk in clean, clear and formulaic ways, it would be a very small step to have them think that way.'

    Am I the only one who's thinking "danger!danger!" here?
    talking is one thing, changing the way you think is more like... brainwashing?

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    "I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know." -- Mark Twain
    1. Re:change thinking? by tulcod · · Score: 1, Insightful

      indeed. "thinking in language" is not really true, the language part is only a small part of your brain you can actually think without, even if you "think in language" (as opposed to in images and stuff). and even "thinking in images" is not really true. so the net result is that it's oversimplified by some inscientific people. your brain looks a lot like a PC: you can distinguish certain elements, but none of them work with the exact same type of data

    2. Re:change thinking? by IhuntCIA · · Score: 1
      That is not how the military works.

      Ultimately, the Army hopes the project will "lead to direct mental control of military systems by thought alone."

      Ultimately, the Army hopes the project will "lead to direct mental control of military subjects by thought alone."

      Fixed that.

    3. Re:change thinking? by oodaloop · · Score: 1

      Just sing Beatles songs in your head. Worked for Dr. Zarkov.

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      Tic-Tac-Toe, Global Thermonuclear War, and relationships all have the same winning move.
    4. Re:change thinking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thinking in language or images is not really true? Then what are you thinking about? Smell?

    5. Re:change thinking? by mikiN · · Score: 1

      "But the fool on the hill,
      Sees the sun going down,
      And the eyes in his head,
      See the world spinning 'round."

      [queue vid of fighter jet going into a spin and burying itself into a hilltop]

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      The Hacker's Guide To The Kernel: Don't panic()!
    6. Re:change thinking? by mikiN · · Score: 1

      Oh it's the Army not the Air Force?

      "Happiness is a warm gun
      (Bang Bang Shoot Shoot)
      Happiness is a warm gun, momma
      (Bang Bang Shoot Shoot)
      When I hold you in my arms
      (Ooooooooohhh, oh yeah!)
      And when I feel my finger on your trigger
      I know nobody can do me no harm"

      There, fixed it myself.

      --
      The Hacker's Guide To The Kernel: Don't panic()!
    7. Re:change thinking? by BotnetZombie · · Score: 1

      Math, meditation and many other mental tasks that require concentration and directed though control all change the way you think while the effort lasts. You see these also as brainwashing?

    8. Re:change thinking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Math, meditation and many other mental tasks that require concentration and directed though control all change the way you think while the effort lasts. You see these also as brainwashing?

      uh... no.

      1-you life does not relay on math.

      2-you don't do math exercises for long periods.

      3-concentration != 'stripping down thinking methods'
      ...

      btw, math teachers are not as strict as military teachers...

    9. Re:change thinking? by rufus+t+firefly · · Score: 1

      Just sing Beatles songs in your head. Worked for Dr. Zarkov.

      Quick! Check the angular vector of the moon!

      Poor Topol.

      --
      "He may look like an idiot, and talk like an idiot, but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot." - Duck Soup
    10. Re:change thinking? by oodaloop · · Score: 1

      I move for that comment to be eliminated!

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      Tic-Tac-Toe, Global Thermonuclear War, and relationships all have the same winning move.
    11. Re:change thinking? by Alarindris · · Score: 2, Informative

      talking is one thing, changing the way you think is more like... brainwashing?

      This is already a standard procedure.

    12. Re:change thinking? by TwistedSymmetry · · Score: 1

      'Because soldiers are already trained to talk in clean, clear and formulaic ways, it would be a very small step to have them think that way.'

      Am I the only one who's thinking "danger!danger!" here? talking is one thing, changing the way you think is more like... brainwashing?

      I understood that to mean that the soldiers would do that to control their helmet to say what they wanted to say. It's a misinterpretation to interpret that as brainwashing. It means that the soldiers will "think-speak" in "clean, clear and formulaic ways". Not that they will be made to think that way in a general sense. It's intended to be a way to talk without talking aloud, not as a mind-reading device. (A mind-reading device would not be the right thing in this case--broadcasting whatever thoughts pop into a soldier's head would be a recipe for chaos. If that were possible).

    13. Re:change thinking? by tulcod · · Score: 1, Insightful

      What I am trying to say is that your question is irrelevant. There is no global "stuff of thought". You can't say for your entire brain what a certain "bit" indicates, how it is used, or even if it is used. How, when and if they're used depends on too many factors, and it all comes down to the fact that the actual thoughts (which stretch over millions of neurons) don't have a common "syntax" or anything like that.

    14. Re:change thinking? by P1h3r1e3d13 · · Score: 1

      Want to be scared? Go look up the military's "total control" training strategy.

    15. Re:change thinking? by turgid · · Score: 1

      Am I the only one who's thinking "danger!danger!" here?

      I'm sure those were Steve Irwin's last thougts.

    16. Re:change thinking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      "changing the way you think" is also called training, learning new skills, getting over addictions, etc.

      I understand people have a squeamishness about changing what goes on in their heads, I do also, but that kind of feeling doesn't automatically make it a bad thing. It can also be a good thing.

    17. Re:change thinking? by popesnarky · · Score: 1

      Hail Eris!

      We are sorry, you have reached an imaginary number. Please rotate your phone ninety degrees and try again.

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      All Hail Discordia!
      Snarky
      "To have too much and not enough is like a boat person with sideburns."
    18. Re:change thinking? by popesnarky · · Score: 1

      Hail Eris!

      Well, technically, they are.

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      All Hail Discordia!
      Snarky
      "To have too much and not enough is like a boat person with sideburns."
  12. Not the first priority by gowen · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I don't see the point of thought helmets for the Army, if the Commander-in-Chief is still incapable of coherent thought.

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    1. Re:Not the first priority by IanHurst · · Score: 1

      "I don't see the point of thought helmets for the Army, if the Commander-in-Chief is still incapable of coherent thought."

      I get irritated by this sort of thing, not because I think highly of Bush, but because people tend be myopic about him.

      You guys understand, he's not the normal American president, right? Like, he's maybe the worst president we've ever elected, maybe even by a wide margin? If you could graph American presidents by how successful they were, you understand he'd be an incredible outlier?

      And you understand, finally, he's going away in just a couple months, right?

      Put those two ideas together, then, and start looking at the next president in that perspective. Not knowing which will win, you can at least say with some confidence "whichever it is, the odds he's be as dumb/incompetent/whatever (pick your favorite adjective) are astonishingly low".

      Come on now, you can do it. Think about it in perspective.

    2. Re:Not the first priority by flerchin · · Score: 1

      That's why our crowd has been voting "not Bush" for 8 years. That's why we have less of a consensus in the coming election. Both of the candidates are "not Bush". Fucking yay.

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      --why?
    3. Re:Not the first priority by IanHurst · · Score: 1

      Who is your crowd? I'm an independent centrist. I vote mostly Democratic in higher level elections. To me this one looks like a godsend. Not one but TWO moderates running for president? I don't pray, but if I did, this would have answered mine.

    4. Re:Not the first priority by flerchin · · Score: 1

      By "our crowd". I mean the people who frequent slashdot, and post on technology related forums. News for Nerds. We tend to have a similar political bent.

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      --why?
    5. Re:Not the first priority by LoztInSpace · · Score: 1

      A McCain vote==Palin vote and I'm not sure I would class her as a moderate.

    6. Re:Not the first priority by IanHurst · · Score: 1

      But he is (as Republicans go) - if there were a D next to his name on the Ballot he wouldn't have picked her. But he needed somebody to speak to his party's loonies, and she's it.

      It's never fun to watch a good candidate bow to electoral reality. The good news is if he does win the election, you can expect him to veer away from the far right.

    7. Re:Not the first priority by popesnarky · · Score: 1

      But he is (as Republicans go) - if there were a D next to his name on the Ballot he wouldn't have picked her. But he needed somebody to speak to his party's loonies, and she's it.

      It's never fun to watch a good candidate bow to electoral reality. The good news is if he does win the election, you can expect him to veer away from the far right.

      Hail Eris!

      Possibly, but only if he lives long enough to make it feasible. He could easily drop dead right after the election...

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    8. Re:Not the first priority by IanHurst · · Score: 1

      That's true too, and a real concern. Funny though, I ran across an article in one of those awful Women's fashion magazines last night at a friend's house, and it had an article on some 90-something year old lady who looked like she was 70 at most. Her name? Roberta McCain - his mom. 96 and still trucking. That's a good sign. Course, his dad only made it to 70. Eep.

    9. Re:Not the first priority by popesnarky · · Score: 1

      That's true too, and a real concern. Funny though, I ran across an article in one of those awful Women's fashion magazines last night at a friend's house, and it had an article on some 90-something year old lady who looked like she was 70 at most. Her name? Roberta McCain - his mom. 96 and still trucking. That's a good sign. Course, his dad only made it to 70. Eep.

      Hail Eris!

      Also, considering that 90% or more of his votes in the Senate were in favour of Bush/GOP policies, since 2001, calling him "moderate" is possibly a tad deceptive.

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  13. doubt they are at that level of reading brainwave by aepervius · · Score: 1

    For "silent" communication I can see morse being communicated that way, but reading words from the brain ? Maybe one can train people to concentrate and clearly form a few specific patterns which can then be recognized afterward and translated to words, but i doubt you could learn and differentiate so many patterns as to have a wordly communication. Furthermore in the midst of fire exchange, I doubt this would be easier to use than a radio.

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  14. Even if they pull this off... by darkmeridian · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... I wonder what the voice would sound like. I mean, the vocal cords and stuff determine what your voice sounds like, so if they read your mind and pipe that through a system it'd probably sound like a robot.

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    1. Re:Even if they pull this off... by Fumus · · Score: 1

      Maybe they could get a few speech synthesisers and the soldiers could choose their voice. I doubt that it would be hard to custom-make a voice for every troop, when you're dealing with reading thoughts..

  15. Oxymoron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought military intelligence was an oxymoron.

    1. Re:Oxymoron by justinlee37 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nobody was trying to call it military wisdom or anything. War is one of the best funded "industries" around the world, and it's organizers are dedicated strategists. There's nothing unintelligent about them, regardless of your opinions on whether or not they're misguided.

    2. Re:Oxymoron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me break down the joke.

      "Military intelligence" is commonly considered an oxymoron, or at least in my society.

      Without thought, there is no intelligence. (Although I've taken the reverse of that, however illogical.)

      So, without intelligence, there is no thought.

      US Army to Develop "Thought Helmets" for soldiers who lack "thought".

    3. Re:Oxymoron by justinlee37 · · Score: 1

      It's commonly considered an oxymoron as an oft-repeated joke, but it isn't really accurate, it's rhetoric.

    4. Re:Oxymoron by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      It's commonly considered an oxymoron as an oft-repeated joke, but it isn't really accurate, it's rhetoric.

      Indeed, being a former member of the military intelligence community, I can say with a high degree of surety that the vast majority of the people I worked with make a lot of the self-supposed braniacs on slashdot look like idiots. Hell, a number of them made me* feel dumb.

      * I am, of course, a self-supposed braniac, though my analysis of the matter is clearly accurate!

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  16. Pretty simple, really. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This seems pretty straight forward. If you can use a feedback mechanism, you can learn different mental exercises that stimulate different parts of the brain, and thus generate repeatable signals that can be picked up. Then it's a matter of training and sequencing. It's not reading minds though.

  17. It's a bit late now by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 1

    He's not your Commander in Chief much longer, the next one will be capable of thought on his own.

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  18. Re:doubt they are at that level of reading brainwa by stranger_to_himself · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For "silent" communication I can see morse being communicated that way, but reading words from the brain ? Maybe one can train people to concentrate and clearly form a few specific patterns which can then be recognized afterward and translated to words, but i doubt you could learn and differentiate so many patterns as to have a wordly communication. Furthermore in the midst of fire exchange, I doubt this would be easier to use than a radio.

    I don't think adults can easily learn to use their brains in an entirely new way like this. Maybe if you gave a really young child one of these with some kind of visual feedback for them they could develop a more sophisticated way of communicating with it.

    Or better yet, maybe deaf kids could use this to talk amongst themselves. It would have to be started very young though, so the brain could develop and strengthen the areas needed. Actually this is now sounding a bit like the plot from The Midwitch Cuckoos.

  19. Too cheap? by eebra82 · · Score: 1

    Time Magazine reports on a $4 million US Army contract to begin developing 'thought helmets [..]

    We already have technology for picking up silent brain waves, but it still sounds like $4 million is slightly too cheap for this project.

    Also, what happens if a soldier panics and goes beyond reason? Wouldn't that create radio interference?

    1. Re:Too cheap? by wisty · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I believe that the exact wording was a "contract to begin developing". No helmets, just the groundwork. I guess that could be $4M. As for soldiers panicking, the helmet would probably pick it up, and show a busy sign or something. Come to think of it, showing when a soldier is in a state of panic (or rage) could be more useful then the communication component.

  20. Obligatory "Military Intelligence" Joke by ardle · · Score: 3, Funny

    Done.

  21. The Army's Public Posture is Way Behind Reality by garydchance · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Although it is fascinating to see this published by the US Army, it reflects such activity carried out extensively as surveillance which I've experienced as a target for 7.5 years since 02.2001 thanks to former US Marines Colonel Vine and Lt Harry Bird. They are still at it as of this writing. This is just a limited battlefield adaptation when soldiers are wearing their helmets. Such brain waving monitoring, i.e., son of TEMPEST, actually picks up all thoughts and images accurately and will translate the word thoughts into audible language. I suspect that images are so translated as well since I've gotten accurate descriptions of images I think about as well as language. The US Army also has S2K (Sound-to-Skull) where sound is transferred by means of electromagnetic radiation so that the target can hear someone using it. Since I've been subjected to this, I've been able to hear all that they want me to hear and then some which is an enormous amount enabling me to learn all about this neuroscience application. It is mind control with obedience training through abuse and torture carried out for social engineering. It's used as a surveillance weapon to monitor all the human senses and feedback similar neurological impulses for various reasons: pain, muscle movement, sound, images and surreptitious medication to debilitate and incapacitate. If you suspect that your telephone is tapped, doesn't that change your behaviour? Expect this feedback process to be used on the battlefield too as well as against civilians in the manner it is being used experimentally against me continuously for control purposes. What has hit Time magazine is essentially trivial when compared with what is actually being done. Thanks for noting this article, and I hope everyone gets on this to dig into what is really going on. Don't be put off by anyone who tries to deny this as an aspect of mind reading. It is exactly that and the reality of what is being done is far, far worse that does not require a helmet or sensors to pick up the electromagnetic radiation surrounding the brain. Similarly, every electronic device in a computer can be so monitored and controlled which has been done to my computers for a decade. The human brain is just another computer with its electricity generated by chemical reactions. TEMPEST has come a long way in the past five decades.

    1. Re:The Army's Public Posture is Way Behind Reality by couchslug · · Score: 2, Informative

      Use a lucid moment to commit suicide and deprive the masters of your services. Better death than slavery.

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    2. Re:The Army's Public Posture is Way Behind Reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Take your meds

    3. Re:The Army's Public Posture is Way Behind Reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're suggesting suicide, to someone who is possibly schizophrenic? To get cheap laughs?

      Grow the fuck up, couchslug.

      garydchance, it's easy to stop any electromagnetic radiation that your brain puts out from being picked up by anyone. I'm sure you can think of several ways to do it. The stereotype of a tinfoil hat is probably just going to draw attention, but a simple faraday cage is not too hard to build.

      Logically, this would also stop incoming attempts at manipulation, if you're worried about that. (I wouldn't be, but I don't know your situation.)

      Once you're certain that you are making your own decisions, consider that you could be suffering from paranoid delusions. Please - go see a psychiatrist, and if they honestly assess that you have a mental condition, please consider following their advice.

      You'll laugh at how dumb I was, but I'll tell you about a time that I had paranoid delusions, so that you know I'm not entirely a typical ignorant armchair psychiatrist giving useless information on the Internet.

      I spent some time in Fiji a while ago, for a job as the assistant IT guy with a tour bus company. I was staying with the drivers, in a very low-rent bungalow next to an illegal grog shop.

      Over a few nights, I came down with some sort of tropical fever. The first night, all I got were some obviously unreal hallucinations; the shadows cast on my wall from outside (which were, in reality, entirely static all night) were moving around, and the room was constantly going rhomboid. I also had some pretty amazing dreams. At that point I was just enjoying the show as much as I could, since I was also too weak to move.

      The second night, though, it was different. At first, the only difference was that the hallucinations were much cooler; the shadows made detailed little cartoony figures, and they acted out tiny little unique animations. I remember thinking that it was amazing what my brain could subconsciously create for these little shows.

      However, after a little while I started hearing shouts, noises, and truck engine sounds from outside. From what I could hear, it sounded like a huge number of those old third-world truck-buses were cruising down the street, accompanied by lots of angry shouting in Fijian.

      Soon, I realised EXACTLY what was going on. An ethnic Fijian gang was outside, in their convoy of buses, armed with clubs. They were invading this ethic Indian neighbourhood that I was staying in, intent on causing trouble for the poor Indians who were just trying to get some sleep. Just like all the Indians and their families, I stayed totally quiet and totally still, so they wouldn't know we were there.

      However, I could hear them going down the street, house by house, and smashing their windows, and I heard screams as they dragged people out of their houses and beat the crap out of them. They were coming closer and closer, and all I could think about was that they would find me, and since they were a bunch of drunk Fijian racists, and I was a pasty white computer geek, they would beat the shit out of me and maybe kill me!

      I was absolutely petrified, and certain that my life was in danger. However, some of the others living in the house had obviously been through similar raids before, and one of them was whispering instructions through the door to me.

      Mostly they were along the lines of "Stay quiet!". But as the gang got closer, they told me that since my room had a nice big louvred window to the outside, I had to, very quietly, get up and move to somewhere else in the house, or they would see me through the window! If I waited until a truck's engine was nice and loud nearby, they wouldn't hear me moving.

      It was one of the hardest things I've ever done, but I managed to make myself move despite the mortal terror that gripped me. In the terror-accelerated minutes beforehand, I rehearsed everything I would be doing, where I would be going to hide, how to get there in the absolute least time, etc. Adrenalin pounding through me in full

  22. Re:doubt they are at that level of reading brainwa by ardle · · Score: 1

    I really like the "deaf" idea. We could also try it out on other species; as you suggested, "get em when they're young". We might learn interesting things.
    As a battlefield tool, I can't imagine it being of any use to soldiers who haven't used it for years and don't need to think about it. What these military people need for it to work are orphans or clones. Even cheaper, just use robots. Of course, these strategies might be considered inhumane.

  23. break the skull by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is already possible to move an avatar in 3D only with your "thoughts". The same way locked-in patients can communicate with their environment.

    The avatar, for example, is controlled with very simple thoughts like, black cat -> move forward, green tree -> move left....
    This will generate characteristic patterns of electrical activation. These are measured outside the SKULL. But, compared to the complex signaling inside the brain, while for example generating speech, this is awfully inaccurate.
    Therefore it is, at least for the moment, impossible to have a word for word transmission.
    Furthermore the system has to be calibrated on the individual and the characteristic electrical patterns.
    Whatever, the soldier will have to train to get used to a set of thoughts, which in turn are translated to commands.
    For better transduction, especially bald soldiers are preferable for this job.

    As long as there is no application of any current through the electrodes, the persons physiology isn't altered. And so his thinking can't be manipulated.

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  24. We are the Borg. Resistance is futile. by wvmarle · · Score: 1

    Control of complete army units by thought alone... mind reading helmets... using thought directly as a means of communication... I'm surprised this story is not tagged "borg" already. It sounds pretty much like that.

    1. Re:We are the Borg. Resistance is futile. by Dunbal · · Score: 0

      Nah, the commander in chief doesn't have the ability to think anyway.

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    2. Re:We are the Borg. Resistance is futile. by gnupun · · Score: 0

      Does the govt "own" the soldiers. This is an egregious violation of privacy, but funnily, no complaints from the slashdot crowd. Is there no line separating government from citizens/soldiers or are we sheep that govt can do anything?

    3. Re:We are the Borg. Resistance is futile. by popesnarky · · Score: 1

      Hail Eris!

      Depends. How do you feel about the USA PATRIOT Act?

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  25. Backspace? by saider · · Score: 4, Funny

    Thought : "Roger, Air Force One. Approach terminal Whisky-one"

    Transmit (to Roger) : "Terminate Air Force with Whiskey"

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  26. Protection by NewsLeech · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I already have a thought helmet. I made it out of tin foil.

  27. They had these in Alpha Centauri by Guido+del+Confuso · · Score: 1

    And they looked like this.

  28. Hell of a way to screw up a war by tjstork · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Unless there's one time pad data in the helmet, the war might come to a tragic halt for the USA when the enemy fills up our heads with porn.

    This wired up army is a dumb idea. It's better to give troops the flexibility to matters into their own hands on the battlefield. If you want to have a better US Army, maybe instead of blowing billions on trying to turn platoons into borg, maybe pay sergeants more and jack up their retention rate. Sergeants are the backbone of any army and always will be more, more so than any communications gizmo.

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    1. Re:Hell of a way to screw up a war by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are you rambling about? Obviously, it would just be an option to communicate silently, as to remain undetected by the enemy.

    2. Re:Hell of a way to screw up a war by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sargeants made Japan surrender in WWII? It wasn't two huge bombs? Did anything have a significant effect on that other than the bombs? I don't think so.

      How about the Iraq war? Do you think that our use of tanks there was not important? Tanks are really expensive, and if we didn't have to use them, it'd sure help.

      No matter how many sergeants we have, we will not have enough. The US goes everywhere and potentially fights everyone. The US army will lose if we rely on numbers.

      Historically (through *all* of human history), technology is the single most effective force multiplier that there is. Sure, there are some battles that have been won by superiour planning and execution, but that usually only happens when one side or the other is really stupid in their tactics. You can't count on that.

    3. Re:Hell of a way to screw up a war by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      Unless there's one time pad data in the helmet, the war might come to a tragic halt for the USA when the enemy fills up our heads with porn.

      Don't be daft. The helmet system is read-only. It's basically the neurological monitoring of subvocalized speech.

      This wired up army is a dumb idea. It's better to give troops the flexibility to matters into their own hands on the battlefield.

      Yeah, because communication is just a distraction in warfare. You think this is about creating a Soviet model army, where the officers basically move mindless units around like chess pieces? Please. We simply don't work that way, and haven't since before WW1.

      If you want to have a better US Army, maybe instead of blowing billions on trying to turn platoons into borg, maybe pay sergeants more and jack up their retention rate. Sergeants are the backbone of any army and always will be more, more so than any communications gizmo.

      NCO retention is important, but it's not the end-all be-all of warfare. Also, throwing money at the problem isn't the answer. I was a sergeant in the army 5 years ago, and when my obligation ran out, nothing they could have offered me was enough to make me stay. Money doesn't make you not exhausted. Money doesn't magically banish PTSD. Money doesn't wish away the frustration inherent in not being able to pursue an enemy across an arbitrary political boundary that's ignored by every man and beast in the area but the ones wearing US flags and Union Jacks.

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    4. Re:Hell of a way to screw up a war by tjstork · · Score: 1

      Sargeants made Japan surrender in WWII? It wasn't two huge bombs? Did anything have a significant effect on that other than the bombs? I don't think so.

      Uh, check your history. Without sergeants, there is no successful invasion of the places close to enough to Japan to fly the bombers from.

      Training matters most. Japan actually had managed to muster up a pretty good aircraft force during the battle of the Marianas, but, their pilots were completely untrained, having lost all the vets already, and, so, America's more trained and experienced pilots simply shot them all down... it was called the Great Marianas Turkey shoot... and even at that time the Zero was still in many ways a better airplane.

      If we go farther back in time, during the napoleonic era, the British didn't really have a huge advantage over the French and Spanish in technology, but, they just practiced their gunnery over and over and over again so that they were effectively throwing more than twice the rounds in the air than their counterparts.

      How about the Iraq war? Do you think that our use of tanks there was not important? Tanks are really expensive, and if we didn't have to use them, it'd sure help.

      Our tanks were good, for sure, but the real problem for Iraq was really their lack of training. Americans got to be better soldiers because there is a lot of money invested in training them, and you know who does that, quite, often, sergeants.

      There were a lot of ways that the USA could have lost both invasions of Iraq, if training weren't in place. The big advantage of our tanks was that they could engage at longer ranges... a poorly trained unit might have just charged in and get cut to pieces. In this and another a thousand ways training matters...

      No matter how many sergeants we have, we will not have enough. The US goes everywhere and potentially fights everyone. The US army will lose if we rely on numbers.

      Very true, but training, local initiative and weapons are the biggest force multipliers. Communications is just not as important as more powerful weapons and the force to use them effectively. I would much rather have the platoon with some new sort of rifle that can level a building than I would have them sitting around waiting for an email to come into their helmet to approve taking out a sniper.

      Historically (through *all* of human history), technology is the single most effective force multiplier that there is. Sure, there are some battles that have been won by superiour planning and execution, but that usually only happens when one side or the other is really stupid in their tactics. You can't count on that.

      Training, training, training matters. Dude, you gotta read your history. The Romans put together a pretty good army that created and held together an empire that in the west lasted for almost 1000 years. They rarely really had the leg up in technology over anyone except for maybe the barbarians to the north. Where the Romans really shined was in training, discipline and organization. They based their army on the centurion, who they made a professional out of, gave land to, and trained him and he was essentially, well, the equivalent of a sergeant.

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    5. Re:Hell of a way to screw up a war by tjstork · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because communication is just a distraction in warfare. You think this is about creating a Soviet model army, where the officers basically move mindless units around like chess pieces? Please. We simply don't work that way, and haven't since before WW1.

      I worry about it as there's no guarantees that a good tradition now is something that we will always retain. Throughout history, people have had an annoying tendency to throw out something that works in favor of a fruitless fad. So yeah, if the helmet could be used to do something like dial up an airstrike or, get reinforcements, without making any sound, then that's very useful. , but, it could also be like when the USAF decided that guns on fighter jets were obsolete just prior to Viet Nam. I have this vision of Donald Rumsfeld or Lyndon Johnson trying to call up a specific platoon in the field and talk in their helmets on a conference call with the JCS.

      I was a sergeant in the army 5 years ago, and when my obligation ran out, nothing they could have offered me was enough to make me stay

      Did you feel like offered you everything that they could have before you walked away? Not just money, but different assignments... like, do you felt like they felt your experience was valuable?

      Money doesn't wish away the frustration inherent in not being able to pursue an enemy across an arbitrary political boundary that's ignored by every man and beast in the area but the ones wearing US flags and Union Jacks.

      Can I ask, is that Pakistan?

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    6. Re:Hell of a way to screw up a war by laddiebuck · · Score: 1

      And yet a rabble of Taleban militants with cheap Russian weapons could wipe out a Roman legion of similar size quite easily. They would engage them with guns before the Romans could use any weapon at all. Weapons are the most important thing to winning a way; training can compensate for poor weapons to an extent, and enhance good weapons, but it's really about the weapons, and hence technology, although note that I did not say communication technology!

      The reason this isn't working in Iraq is that Iraq is not a war zone, it is an occupation zone. The conflict is an occupation, not a war. And there, neither training nor weapons will help; it's a battle for hearts and minds.

  29. Am i wrong to feel a bit disgusted? by Denihil · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ugh. I pay taxes every year in the US. They haven't fixed a big pothole outside my house on the road in years, and yet every year we allocate more and more money for military spending. It's a old argument, i know, i know. But honestly now.....i have just all the more incentive to cheat on my taxes.

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    1. Re:Am i wrong to feel a bit disgusted? by BotnetZombie · · Score: 1

      I suppose you were also disgusted when the internet was born?

    2. Re:Am i wrong to feel a bit disgusted? by Joebert · · Score: 1

      It would be pretty fucked up if fixing the pothole yourself wasn't tax deductable.

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    3. Re:Am i wrong to feel a bit disgusted? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ....yyyyes, because the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT is in charge of fixing that pothole, and is diverting the money to the military instead...

      You do understand the difference between local and federal government, right? Because I had a pothole on the road near my house, took all of 2 days for it to get filled. But I suppose my local government isn't incompetent...

    4. Re:Am i wrong to feel a bit disgusted? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a old argument, i know, i know. But honestly now.....i have just all the more incentive to cheat on my taxes.

      From what I've heard, not paying your taxes isn't illegal as there's no law enforcing income tax. It was brought about during WWII to get some extra funding and once the war ended they left the tax. Education and roads are already provided for by property tax and local infrastructure are provided for by sales tax. The problem is that out of the people that fight income tax on this argument, not all of them win in court. I guess it's tough to convince a jury that income tax is a scam.

    5. Re:Am i wrong to feel a bit disgusted? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They haven't fixed a big pothole outside my house on the road in years

      I had some friends who used to fix potholes themselves. I'm not quite sure how they got the bucket of asphalt chunks, but they would pour it in the hole in the wee hours of the morning and use a small shop torch on it. This method apparently worked quite well on several potholes. Maybe you can at least tell the city that you're going to fix the pothole yourself, and see if they step it up and fix it first.

    6. Re:Am i wrong to feel a bit disgusted? by IanHurst · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you've heard wrong, and probably from anti-government conspiracy people.

      Amendment 16:

      "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."

      http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am16

      That's about as plain and explicit a declaration will ever get in a legal system. It has the right, and it has the right to enforce it. If you hear otherwise the person telling you is either (a) not sound of mind, (b) intellectually dishonest, or (c) is spreading hearsay.

    7. Re:Am i wrong to feel a bit disgusted? by red_blue_yellow · · Score: 1

      Maybe I'm just gullible, but are you saying that you can get a tax deduction for fixing pothole? I would figure that to be illegal as it might be consider "competing" with the State DOT, which has a legal monopoly.

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    8. Re:Am i wrong to feel a bit disgusted? by Joebert · · Score: 1

      I have no idea. All I know is that it would be pretty sad if you were to fix the pothole that has been neglected by the DOT in your area for apparently years, and couldn't write that off on your taxes. I know if I did that and didn't get a writeoff, I'd have to have the entire neighborhood sign a petition before taking it to the local news station to see what they think I should do with it.

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    9. Re:Am i wrong to feel a bit disgusted? by globaljustin · · Score: 1

      every year we allocate more and more money for military spending

      No, you're not wrong for feeling disgusted.

      If all the nooks and crannies of the military's budget were reviewed with the same oversight that, say, the Feds apply to our income taxes, we would all weep out of disgust.

      The military (and most gov't agencies) waste so much money it seriously is staggering. I'm not one of those that thinks everything the gov't does is wrong, but I know for a fact it is being grossly mismanaged, bungled, and fumbled. Actually, if you look at Enron, HP, etc...you'll see that contemporary American management philosophy is deficient...it's not just a military issue at all.

      Developing this "thought control" technology is, IMHO, a good idea. What I think is stupid is that they think they can eventually get a helmet that lets you drive a hummer with your thoughts. It's so far fetched it's silly.

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    10. Re:Am i wrong to feel a bit disgusted? by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Better technology can reduce costs by reducing the number of people who need to be sent into battle.

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  30. Web Development Be Damned. by centuren · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Put all objections and concerns aside for a second.

    Honestly, isn't stuff like this why we all went into computer science and engineering in the first place? Crazy sci-fi ideas that have little to no practical value in the short (and often long) term.

    Don't stop chasing the dream!

    1. Re:Web Development Be Damned. by Whiteox · · Score: 2, Funny

      Honestly, isn't stuff like this why we all went into computer science

      I went into computer science for the girls........

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  31. Thoughts about thoughts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what happens when one thinks about thoughts? I detect serious recursion problems.

    But the US army thinks of everything, don't they? That is why they use their brilliance as their main weapon against everyone who doesn't see things the same way.

  32. Does anyone trust these guys? by jimmydevice · · Score: 1

    Dr. Elmar Schmeisser and Dr. Mike D'Zmura?!?
    Didn't they learn from Ford Prefect?

  33. The Men Who Stare at Goats by Orlando · · Score: 1

    I urge you to read this book for an account of the lengths army will go to in researching stuff like this.

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  34. Dear aunt, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    let's set so double the killer select all.

  35. Female Soilders by Mr_Blank · · Score: 1

          If DARPA gets this technology then it will be used keep women out of combat.

          A means to read women's minds is beyond the possibility of any science!

  36. How soon will it be ready? by s_p_oneil · · Score: 1

    When can I apply to fly the new Veritech fighter?

  37. Think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    of the children!

  38. Did anyone else think of the Firefox film? by LuxMaker · · Score: 1
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  39. impersonate the commander? by pixel+fairy · · Score: 1, Insightful

    so what frequency do i use to control the soldiers, listen in on them, or jam thier signals?

    hope their crypto is good.

    1. Re:impersonate the commander? by Swervin · · Score: 1

      so what frequency do i use to control the soldiers, listen in on them, or jam thier signals?

      hope their crypto is good.

      How did that get modded insightful? Are you able to do this with any of the current communications? Because aside from the read side of it, I bet the transmit side is going to be pretty similar to what they use now. Effectively, you're arguing against the use of any radios.

    2. Re:impersonate the commander? by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

      A hard-scifi fiction book I read discussed this in precision.

      Greg Egan theorizes that there will be quantum detectors the size of a fly for surveillance purposes. These devices would be able to land on a person and capture their thoughts via neuron detection. To combat this, they have their neuron interconnects scrambled. It takes about 6 weeks for the nanobots to learn how to reconnect.

      The devices learn that people have re-arranged brain patterns, so they combat it via intercranial nanobots. In result, a class of people (private investigator) would have knowledge crystallized in their brain while asleep.

      Now we're coming up with the sensors. In due time, I think Greg Egan is right. Fiction or not... He has a few published papers too in that physics journal :)

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    3. Re:impersonate the commander? by Pichu0102 · · Score: 1

      Use the frequency 140.85, they'll listen to whatever comes down that line no matter what.

    4. Re:impersonate the commander? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so what frequency do i use to control the soldiers, listen in on them, or jam thier signals?

      hope their crypto is good.

      Yes, because electronic transmissions of communications are unique to this crazy brain-wave helmet.

      Oh wait, that's right, they already talk to each other over the air.

      Idiot! The only addition here is whether they "speak" the words or "think" the words. Jamming & crypto issues are the SAME either way.

    5. Re:impersonate the commander? by pixel+fairy · · Score: 1

      thats all i needed, thanks.

      (i dont know how that got modded insightfull either, but hey, they cant tell my voice from seargents anyway)

  40. Let's examine why: by smittyoneeach · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    http://www.dcexaminer.com/opinion/Reid_keeps_the_swamp_brimming.html

    Reid keeps the swamp brimming
    By Examiner Newspapers
    Examiner Staff Writer 9/18/08
    As the stock market plunged nearly 1,000 points in two days this week, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada was preoccupied with protecting billions of dollars worth of earmarks contained in a separate, unpublished committee report that got a one-sentence reference in a giant $612 billion defense bill. Reid engineered the 61-to-32 vote to limit debate on the bill, thus barring consideration of an amendment offered by Sen. Jim DeMint. The South Carolina Republicanâ(TM)s amendment would have deleted the reference to the committee report so that it would have to be considered separately. By leaving the language in the bill, the lawmakers were able to carry out one of their favorite maneuvers: Incorporating committee reports into omnibus bills so they can give billions of tax dollars to their cronies without recorded votes on specific spending measures. This is the same Harry Reid who with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi promised to "drain the swamp" of Republican corruption if voters would return the Democrats to the majority.

    Dennis Miller's remarks on that "ashen pie-hole" are still fresh, more than a year later.
    The US needs a feedback loop whereby other states can be told: "someone else, please" regarding their ballots.

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    Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
  41. This is indicative of "Military Intelligence" by American+Scum · · Score: 1

    What they're missing is that the best soldiers, under tough situations, have a LOT going on in their heads, AND are doing their best to sum up what they want by commands and hand signals.

    Training soldiers to think in short thoughts will invariably cross-over into actual thought patterns that will reduce soldiers' creativity, adjustability and preparation for future events.

    You can see the effects, now, of how the Army trains vs. how young soldiers actually think when they come out of Basic and AI training - the world is all black and white. From my family's experience, Reserve units are often more flexible in the field and do better at war games because they can think on their feet.

    Robotizing our forces' thinking, even unintentionally, is a serious step that they ought to fully consider.

    How about some sensor in a glove or on the weapons' grips that would pick up finger pressures and send those out as hand-signals instead? With an on/off momentary switch of some kind, signals would be sent when the soldier wanted them to be, and not when he was merely gripping differently.

    1. Re:This is indicative of "Military Intelligence" by Dun+Malg · · Score: 2, Informative

      Training soldiers to think in short thoughts will invariably cross-over into actual thought patterns that will reduce soldiers' creativity, adjustability and preparation for future events.

      Invariably? You obviously missed the entire premise of this device and went off into some bizarre Firefox fantasy-land. This device is essentially intended to pick up sub-vocalized speech neurologically. It has fuck-all to do with "thinking". In combat we already speak in short, terse language. That hasn't stunted our "creativity" in the slightest.

      You can see the effects, now, of how the Army trains vs. how young soldiers actually think when they come out of Basic and AI training - the world is all black and white.

      You think a nug fresh out of basic/AIT is representative of a fully trained soldier? You've clearly never been in the army. That shit's just to put you in the proper frame of mind to learn how to be an effective soldier. A PV2 out of AIT is just beginning.

      From my family's experience, Reserve units are often more flexible in the field and do better at war games because they can think on their feet.

      In my own personal experience, reserve units are frequently fatter, slower, whinier, and can't remember how to call for artillery support. Who is your "family", anyway? A bunch of reservists? Not much bias there! There's no military advantage to working in an office 50 weeks a year. I know. I was regular from 1987 to 1993, then reserve from 1993 to 2001. When I went regular again and deployed to Afghanistan in '02, I had a long way to go to catch up with the other regulars. I have seen reservist beat regulars in exercises, but only when the "weekenders" were [Rangers|SF|etc] and/or the regulars were a bunch of fuckups. Keeping a uniform in your closet does not make you a better soldier than a guy who wears one every day. "Creativity" simply cannot replace long hours of practice at warfighting.

      Robotizing our forces' thinking, even unintentionally, is a serious step that they ought to fully consider.

      Yeah, they obviously haven't considered the ramifications! We should hire an expert like you to vet all ideas first. Heck, we'll make you the R&D Czar!

      How about some sensor in a glove or on the weapons' grips that would pick up finger pressures and send those out as hand-signals instead? With an on/off momentary switch of some kind, signals would be sent when the soldier wanted them to be, and not when he was merely gripping differently.

      Yeah, because chord-keyboarding is so much easier to learn than sub-vocalized speech, particularly when done on a pistol grip or virtually through a dang glove. Let's hear it for our new R&D Czar!

      Honestly, I don't know what it is about Slashdot readers that they think that by virtue of being mildly intelligent and having (partially) read a vague and misleading blurb, they suddenly think they know more about military R&D than the people who do it every freakin' day.

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  42. Great for Mobile Infantry by missvolare · · Score: 1

    Next, let's hope they R&D guys develop complete reality-recreation through implants and neurochemical modulation. That way when civs get killed, there won't be any pesky PTSD. I'm reading the bio of PKDick again right now, " Divine Invasions," and how much more prescient he seems today than 5 yr.s ago.

  43. Sorry, Army by Deadstick · · Score: 1

    ...The name "Firefox" is taken.

    rj

  44. What happens when... by purpleraison · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...one of the soldiers gets a tune stuck in his head?

    All the rest of the soldiers will hear his mental rendition of "Never gonna give you up" by Rick Astley.

    Not a pretty sight. Do we really want to live in a world where you can be MENTALLY Rick-rolled?

    I don't think so.

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    1. Re:What happens when... by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

      Oh Oh Oh Oh Stayin Alive. Stayin Alive.

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    2. Re:What happens when... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a song about a whale. No! This is a song about being happy! Happy happy joy joy!...

      They should be ok, as long as they can find a drawer with a ballpeen hammer.

    3. Re:What happens when... by popesnarky · · Score: 1

      Hail Eris!

      s/whale/quail -- I'm fairly sure of this, after an additional ten or fifteen checks...

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      Snarky
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  45. ALS by bigattichouse · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My late father in law (2004) could have used something like this for speech, ALS effectively cut him off completely for the last month or two of his life.

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  46. System Error by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hope they don't have MS develop the software.
    'Cause how would you like to be on the battlefield and start hearing random Blue Screams of Death?

  47. There is a difference between... by houbou · · Score: 1

    Quote: 'Because soldiers are already trained to talk in clean, clear and formulaic ways, it would be a very small step to have them think that way.'

    There is a difference between TALKING and THINKING. I suspect some rather HEAVY training will have to be involved, else, it could make for hilarious slips of the "ahem" mind/tongue!

    Mouth says: Aye Aye SIR!
    But Mind Really Thinks: F**k you and the horse you rode in SIR!

    1. Re:There is a difference between... by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      There is a difference between TALKING and THINKING.

      Not when you're talking about monitoring the speech center of the brain.

      I suspect some rather HEAVY training will have to be involved

      The idea is that it will pick up certain sub-vocalized keywords and string together the appropriate canned audio fragments. It'd take less training than using voice dial on your cell phone.

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      If a job's not worth doing, it's not worth doing right.
  48. But you have to think in Russian for it to work by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1

    But you have to think in Russian for it to work the Thought systems in Atlantis work better.

    1. Re:But you have to think in Russian for it to work by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      the American thought helmet will be made of Chinese components, so thinking in Mandarin probably will be most efficient

  49. Coherent thoughts by TheLink · · Score: 1

    So many people keep saying or implying Bush is stupid.

    If he's smart enough to get reelected, how stupid is he? The election was rigged? If it was, so what, anyone in jail for that? No? So how stupid is he?

    If he's smart enough that his current party still has a convincing chance of retaining power, that's even better. Seriously, can you say the odds are < 20%?

    And this is despite his party doing all sorts of bad things to the country (and other countries).

    So who really are the stupid ones?

    Funny how so many people keep thinking they're so smart and the president is so dumb, when the president (and gang) has screwed them so badly and is getting away with it.

    Maybe they're in denial and it's just a way of comforting themselves - especially since there's a high chance they're in for a third round.

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    1. Re:Coherent thoughts by flerchin · · Score: 1

      Bush is stupid, and the millions who voted for him did so because he is stupid like them.

      Being screwed over by stupid people is hardly new for this crowd.

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      --why?
  50. Obligatory Futurama by nameendingwith · · Score: 1

    Professor: Obviously your thoughts are being transmitted on the same frequency.
    Woman: They're on my cellphone, too.
    Bender: Madam, I believe you're mistaken.
    Bender's Thoughts on Cellphone: Wow, that lady's got a huge ass.
    Bender: Those could be anyone's thoughts, fatass.

  51. Torture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "A lot of people interpret wires coming out of the head as some sort of mind reading," D'Zmura sighs.

    They were not clear about where the wires go. If they ARE putting wires in my head, would this make it significantly easier for my enemies to torture/take advantage of me? Then would I have the option as a soldier to deny brain augmentation?

    Imagine in MATRIX if they just zapped you onto some deadzone plain without telephones. Worse than death.

  52. nomenclature by __aawimn3783 · · Score: 1

    The Army dropped the ball on a great opportunity to call this new technology a "thinking cap."

  53. Mind science has been with us for a long time. by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1

    It's a nice Saturday, so I thought I'd share some light reading with everybody; I've uploaded in its entirety a copy of Walter Bowart's Operation Mind Control for anybody who wants to read it. (It's a text-searchable PDF scan of the book. Thanks to whoever scanned it.)

    This book was derived largely from papers acquired through the FOIA, and it is quite clear about how advanced the military was in the field of mind-control and mind-reading. (Skip ahead to chapter 18 after you take a moment to read the author's forward.) It was also first published back in 1978. . .

    In 1975 a primitive "mind-reading machine" was tested at the Stanford Research Institute. The machine is a computer which can recognize a limited amount of words by monitoring a person's silent thoughts. This technique relies upon the discovery that brain wave tracings taken with an electroencephalograph (EEG) show distinctive patterns that correlate with individual words--whether the words are spoken aloud or merely subvocalized (thought of).

    The computer initially used audio equipment to listen to the words the subject spoke. (At first the vocabulary was limited to "up," "down," "left," and "right.") At the same time the computer heard the words, it monitored the EEG impulses coming from electrodes pasted to the subject's head and responded by turning a camera in the direction indicated. After a few repetitions of the procedure, the computer's hearing was turned off and it responded solely to the EEG "thoughts." It moved a television camera in the directions ordered by the subject's thoughts alone!

    I find that most of the technology is actually terribly simple and straight forward. If it works, it gets developed. It really isn't rocket science. The large portion of Bowart's book is on mind-control through drugs, hypnosis and radio/sonics. Again, very simple concepts but very advanced at the same time; the stuff he talks about makes Joss Whedon's new show, Doll House looks simplistic, and that's writing from the 70's.

    "They use hypnosis and hypnotic drugs. They also use electronic manipulation of the brain. They use ultrasonics, which will boil your brain. When they use hypnosis, they'll at the same time be using a set of earphones which repeat 'You do not know this or that,' over and over. They turn on the sonics at the same time, and the electrical patterns which give you memory are scrambled. You can't hear the ultrasonics and you can't feel it, unless they leave it on-- then it boils your gray matter."

    Unless the assassin had done the same research I had, he could only have known this through firsthand experience. The CIA documents released in 1976 revealed that ultrasonic research was undertaken for a period of more than twenty years. But the documents said that the research had stopped, so I asked him about that.

    "Yeah. The research has stopped. They've gone operational. It ain't research any more. They know how to do it," he said.

    -FL

  54. Not "speach" but only a subset keywords by DrYak · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For "silent" communication I can see morse being communicated that way, but reading words from the brain ? Maybe one can train people to concentrate and clearly form a few specific patterns which can then be recognized afterward and translated to words

    Yes indeed, if you read the summary, they don't intend to pick up whole speeches from within the brain, only small precise commands. From the summary :

    Because soldiers are already trained to talk in clean, clear and formulaic ways, it would be a very small step to have them think that way.

    In terms of though-reading this is as close to "reading speech",
    - as trained keyword recognition (teach your handsfree to recognise "reject call" command) is close to untrained free-form dictation in the field of voice recognition.
    - or as " .bind F12 'Heal,plz!'; " is close to a long IRC chat between non-lolspeak-challenged people in terms of internet textual communication.

    It is all based on the fact that soldiers during combat tend to use a small subset of well defined mil-speak keywords (makes sense because a small set of keywords that everyone knows is really handy in a situation where taking the time to say "Sorry, I'm afraid I didn't exactly get what you were saying, could you please clarify your last sentence ?" isn't exactly an option)*.
    Given that, teaching them to use a small subset of though-helmet-compatible mental commands won't seem far fetch.

    An activation and/or confirmation button (Grendizer-style :-P ), to avoid false positive could help too.

    So in fact its not very far from your idea of using a "morse-code like" coded mental command set.

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    For the record full speech won't be that much difficult either, as long as we don't try to pick it up from the brain.
    Unlike the psychology and neurology of sentence formation witch is awfully complex, the biomechanics of speech are well understood.
    For example, its well used for both speech synthesis software, and speech-specialized low bandwidth codec - in both of these situation speech isn't considered as a generic sound wave, but as a combination of the various resonance mode that a human larynx can generate.
    One possible way to get silent speech transmission would be to pick up the motor commands of someone whispering or even voiceless articulating and infere what it would sound like if it was voiced.
    The only problem are mainly practical (picking brain signals from the helmet is easier that having to make a complex rig over the soldier's neck and face muscles) and correct recognition (there are a lot of sounds which are articulated the same way but sound different depending on how the speaker voices them - voiced/unvoiced consonants and such. If the silent speak is silent indeed, the voicing information will be missing)

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    *: And here in Switzerland it's even worse as there are 4 official spoken language, of which the main one (German) is actually a grouped bunch of not exactly mutually intelligible dialects. Just imagine the mess. Thankfully, we never had to go to war for more than a century.

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  55. Uhhhhh... by oneal13rru · · Score: 1

    'Because soldiers are already trained to talk in clean, clear and formulaic ways, it would be a very small step to have them think that way.' Has this guy talked to one of us lately? Or listened to a Lieutenant on the radio? "...Clean, clear, and formulaic..." do NOT apply to our thought processes, and never will. I call shenanigans on the whole concept.

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    1. Re:Uhhhhh... by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      'Because soldiers are already trained to talk in clean, clear and formulaic ways, it would be a very small step to have them think that way.' Has this guy talked to one of us lately? Or listened to a Lieutenant on the radio? "...Clean, clear, and formulaic..." do NOT apply to our thought processes, and never will. I call shenanigans on the whole concept.

      Heh. Yeah, well, it's just the usual disconnect between the R&D guys who only talk to the pentagon suits, and how it really works in the field. In theory, we're supposed to say:

      "FOXTROT SEVEN NINER this is ROMEO PAPA THREE, ADJUST FIRE, OVER"
      "RP3 this is F79, adjust fire, out"
      "GRID FU12345678, direction 0900, over"
      "grid FU12345678, direction 0900, out"

      In reality, it's more like this:

      "FOX SEVEN NINE this is ROMEO PAPA THREE, GIMME SOME GODDAMN SUPPRESSION FIRE! GRID FU311... CRAP! CORRECTION! GRID FU12345678! DO IT NOW!"

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      If a job's not worth doing, it's not worth doing right.
    2. Re:Uhhhhh... by oneal13rru · · Score: 1

      Exactly ;) now imagine with this "thought helmet"... FOX SEVEN NINE fucking prick... THIS IS ROMEO PAPA THREE holyshit that was LOUD damn lookit THAT...

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  56. cut off by lq_x_pl · · Score: 1

    How many of us have felt isolated when our cell phone breaks? Almost like having a limb amputated.
    How much more powerful will the sense of isolation and incompleteness be (for the soldier) if the stream of psychic chatter ceases? Say, if the apparatus gets damaged or fails.

    The potential consequences are particularly frightening if this were to happen in the heat of a firefight.
    Psych evals and screening will have to be much more thorough to prevent the enlistment of soldiers prone to getting psychic-cabin-fever.

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  57. Getting Smart by cunamara · · Score: 1

    "Max, put on the Helmet of Silence and get out there!"

  58. Re:doubt they are at that level of reading brainwa by FlyingBishop · · Score: 1

    You misunderstand the functionality. The device interprets the activity in the speech center of the brain, and translates it into speech. The only 'training' you need is the ability to speak. This isn't some sort of obtuse mindspeak.

    It's similar to other research that noted minuscule vibrations in people's vocal chords while they type, vibrations that correspond to the words they were typing.

  59. Microsoft's version: by smitty97 · · Score: 1

    "I need air support at killer delete select all"

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  60. They're calling it the "George Bush" hat by mkcmkc · · Score: 1

    I think.

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  61. No you don't by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

    I think.

    Liar.

  62. This is nothing new by slashdotlurker · · Score: 1

    Its also called a tinfoil hat.

  63. Great product! by Zwicky · · Score: 1

    Very useful in a thought shower.

    For real market penetration they need to develop the range to include Thought Hoodies, the Thought Balaclava, the Thought Fedora, the Thought Flat Cap and the Thought Umbrella.

    Bonus points for diversifying into Thought Chicken Fillets. That may have a big market amongst 'dumb blondes'.

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  64. Brainwashing ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am confused : are those guys in the army or not ? Brain-laundering is what the army is for, no ?

  65. Or even... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is his sidearm bigger than mine?

  66. No, the army is for killing people by Chmcginn · · Score: 1

    Boot camp & AIT are for scrubbing those cerebellums till they shine like a drill sergeant's boots. Then they join the real Army.

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    Have you been touched by his noodly appendage?
  67. It's easier than you think... by darkvizier · · Score: 1

    Researchers have already done this sort of thing with monkeys and quadriplegics. Contrary to what you might think, when something is wired up to our brain, controlling it actually comes quite naturally. In fact, once we get past the moral dilemma of being assimilated, our integration with the Borg should go quite smoothly.

  68. Bogousity For Dollars by DynaSoar · · Score: 1

    Somebody's sucking hard on the research teat. Anyone who knows "brain waves" worth a damn knows that different people have entirely different EEG profiles in general, in dynamic response and in contextual/environmental response. Trying to find an EEG response consistent enough to be used in a device that can be slapped on any head (GIs don't have time to train their brain helmets every morning) is going to suck up all US$4M and then some and still have its empty hand out.

    Why all this golly gee whiz hand waving when subvocalization http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subvocalization is nearly as reliable as spoken word and requires no new tech? Because somebody's sucking hard at the research teat.

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    1. Re:Bogousity For Dollars by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      if you'd RTFA, or even bothered to read the /. blurb and think about it, this is subvocalization, only they're monitoring the speech center of the brain to pick it up.

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  69. Interrogation.. by dbcad7 · · Score: 1

    Imagine the uses of this if combined with interrogation and lie detector.. Hell imagine if the wife or GF could get access to of on of these to "discuss" the relationship. Where you looking at that woman at the gas station ? .. in many cases you'd be exonerated, in some cases busted.. probably a lot of thoughts like "jeezus, not again, god I hate this crap".

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  70. "Direct mental control" by Lobais · · Score: 1

    When I read the title and that "direct mental control of military..." I was sure this was a new way to ensure soldiers did exactly as told..

  71. heroes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lets get detective parkman to help out with it

  72. Rootkit Ads by DavidD_CA · · Score: 1

    What happens when these helmets are rootkitted, and they start playing pop-up ads directly into the soldiers' brains while idle?

    Hmmm....

    3. Profit!!!

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    -David
  73. Re:doubt they are at that level of reading brainwa by smaddox · · Score: 1

    The adult human brain is more than capable of adapting to new peripherals. The idea that children are better at learning than adults is no longer supported by science. Children just happen to be bombarded by new ideas at all times.

    I think the idea of this peripheral is that the subject would have a few commands that he would learn how to actively control. The number would grow over time - with practice. These commands could then be sent without any verbal cues, allowing for completely covert operation.

    In the end, I fail to see how this is all that useful. We already have hidden cameras for intelligence gathering. For actual covert operations, hand signals seem to work pretty well.

  74. As well as.......... by Anachragnome · · Score: 1

    "Time Magazine reports on a $4 million US Army contract to begin developing 'thought helmets' to harness silent brain waves for secure communication among troops that the Army hopes will 'lead to direct mental control of military systems by thought alone, as well as consolidate control of the troops themselves."

  75. Re:doubt they are at that level of reading brainwa by HiThere · · Score: 1

    So what you do is get a civilian version to use as a game controller. Then by the time you draft them, they're already trained.

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    I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
  76. Re:doubt they are at that level of reading brainwa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is army training if not reprogramming the brain? How does that differ from making an consent adult to unquestionable to follow any order from an superior? How does that differ from reprogramming the mind of not thinking enemy as a human being that has any value? You'd be surprised to find out what kind of power military training can exert on an individual.

  77. What, like a dunce cap? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That would be very fitting for the military.

  78. Re:doubt they are at that level of reading brainwa by stranger_to_himself · · Score: 1

    The adult human brain is more than capable of adapting to new peripherals. The idea that children are better at learning than adults is no longer supported by science. Children just happen to be bombarded by new ideas at all times.

    I don't think that's right. A child can sustain pretty massive brain damage, like removing a hemisphere for example, and make a pretty good recovery, recruiting other brain areas to compensate for the lost parts. An adult can't do that. It is true that adults can learn and adapt their brains throughout life, but children up to the age of about 10 are infinitely better at it.

  79. Re:doubt they are at that level of reading brainwa by owlstead · · Score: 1

    "I don't think adults can easily learn to use their brains in an entirely new way like this"

    So the army is in the clear here.

  80. Re:doubt they are at that level of reading brainwa by NevermindPhreak · · Score: 1

    What I don't get is, if they want silent communication, we already have that technology. People with throat cancer and vocal cord damage talk through those weird robotic boxes they place on their throats. Just make the sound output get sent to everyone's headphones instead of broadcast through a speaker.

  81. Re:doubt they are at that level of reading brainwa by Duffy13 · · Score: 1

    They are already doing this, the prototype could do simple left, right, forward, back and jump last I saw.

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  82. Pink enemy tank by owlstead · · Score: 1

    "Pink enemy tank at 11, pink enemy tank at 11.

    For the last time soldier, switch off your helmet before sleeping or drinking!

  83. Hillarious by Bender0x7D1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    'Because soldiers are already trained to talk in clean, clear and formulaic ways, it would be a very small step to have them think that way.'

    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

    It's been a long time since I had as good a laugh as when I read that statement.

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    Reading code is like reading the dictionary - you have to read half of it before you can go back and understand it.
  84. Of accidents, evolution, and RIAA by Befread · · Score: 1

    The idea of my helmet getting feedback and frying my brain scares the hell out of me or, maybe the feedback will awaken the unused parts of our brains and we shall evolve into beings of pure energy where upon which time we'll be stuck into batteries and used to power some lonely woman's vibrator. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing? On another note if I start to hum a tune in my head would I be sued by the RIAA?

  85. Obligatory.. by Brad1138 · · Score: 1

    I bet she gives great Helmet.

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    If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people
  86. On/Off switch by morrock · · Score: 1

    Am I the only person who thinks maybe the army isn't stupid enough to have these on 100% of the time? You don't need to retrain every one of a soldier's thoughts to be clear and concise, just verbal thoughts. Or worry about every little thought being passed along if the radio's had some sort of trigger to whether they send sound or not. You know, like a real radio? I get a lot of people in here are being funny, but a lot seem as though they aren't...

  87. Tango Charlie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My squad talks entirely in formal military jargon:

    "Shit."

    "Fuck."

    "Mother fuck!"

    "Fuck."

    "Fuck that shit."

    "Fuckin A."

    "Fuck that mother fucking bitch."

    "I heard that."

    "I'm tellin ya."

    "Fuckin A."

    "Roger out."

  88. Not so unheard of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There have been recent articles about technolgy for helping those unable to move control a mouse cursor or have a computer vocalize. An electrode planted in the brain has had some success in these experiments.

  89. Re:doubt they are at that level of reading brainwa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Take a look at what's being called "Neurofeedback" sometime. It's essentially a therapy technique that operantly conditions brain waves. It works on adults and children, and is used to treat ADHD, among other disorders.

  90. Don't ask, don't tell, don't think by DiamondMX · · Score: 1

    I think this is going to interfere with the "Don't ask, don't tell" policy.

    *Damn he looks good in those tight camo-pants.*

  91. Another fine innovation from the folks at US MIL! by rangergordon · · Score: 1
    Um, yeah. Aren't these the same people who were trying to develop a chemical weapon that would somehow make enemy soldiers gay?

    These military contractors are so imaginative. And really, don't these periodic reports of their whimsical ideas make the billions of dollars we spend worthwhile?

  92. This has been done conceptually by d5shen · · Score: 1

    Thought Helmets, or communication without voice/microphone has been done very conceptually, and actually quite thoughtfully in the Metal Gear (Solid) series. Hasn't anyone noticed?

    In MGS they uses Nanomachines to communicate with each other on a certain frequency, not using voice nor microphone. This is just several large steps ahead of the "Thought Helmet" idea. Even though it's a video game that developed such an idea, who's to say it won't be possible?

  93. No basic understanding of cognitive science? by seandiggity · · Score: 1

    I feel like whomever approved this needs to take Linguistics 101. Or maybe an artificial intelligence course. They really think those electrical signals will be intelligible as speech if they just run them through the correct hardware/software?

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    1. Re:No basic understanding of cognitive science? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the knee-jerk reaction.

      This contract is a typical high-risk, high-reward deal to get a basic understanding of the fundamentals. The actual implementation is a long way out, but given the time it takes for the military to deploy anything it's important to get an initial understanding of what may be possible in the future. Another thing about these contracts is that the Army's not taking on the grunt work themselves-- they're putting up the funding for academic researchers to tackle the tough problems. A lot of the time these same people come from a background of working on the theoretical issues and the Department of Defense is paying for them to apply that theoretical knowledge to relevant real-world problems. Trust me, these people know what they're doing. These pop-sci articles inevitably distort the message for impact, and make it seem like the researchers are out of touch with reality. The truth is that these projects could conceivably lead to advances that would enable the whiz-bang stuff. Right now efforts are being made on distinguishing very broad types of intentions, moods, and perhaps spatial thought. I repeat, we are very far away from a true "thought helmet".

      There are two thrusts to this type of project. The first one is to take lab-based instrumentation and make it suitable for use in a military context. For example, these could include ruggedizing and development of new signal processing techniques. The second thrust is to look at the cutting-edge science out there and to see if it could conceivably be useful for our soldiers. Even if the end-product isn't as impressive as the over-the-top speculation offered up by the media, the scientific community can still benefit greatly from the basic science being funded by military sources.

  94. Rubbish by kettlechips · · Score: 1

    A. It's not going to work well enough to handle something as delicate as military operations without ludicrous risks.
    B. What it will be able to do, will require stupendous costs in training and equipment, with little or no practical gain.
    C. It's almost taboo to say it maybe, but isn't this just plainly and nauseatingly hideous? To me, for one, it is.
    D. The only thing behind all this is someone trying to sell something. Successfully, apparently. Yuck.

  95. I don't think so by wcrowe · · Score: 1

    'Because soldiers are already trained to talk in clean, clear and formulaic ways, it would be a very small step to have them think that way.'

    He's obviously never been in combat before.

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    Proverbs 21:19
  96. Firefox by Walter+Carver · · Score: 1

    I can't believe none has mentioned Firefox yet!

  97. How utterly scarry. by ikeman32 · · Score: 1

    The thought of thought helmets seems a bit scarry to me. I'm not one to give into the wacky conspiracy theorys but... I feel a bad Star Trek eppisode comming on. "We are the Borg. Lower you defenses and disarm you weapons. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to serve as us. You will be assimilated, resistence is futile." I now return you to your regularly scheduled self induced psychosis.