Slashdot Mirror


Mobile Phone Users Struggle With Hardware Adoption

Ian Lamont writes "A Google executive speaking at the Emerging Technology conference has described a problem that mobile phone carriers and manufacturers have been struggling with over the last few years: Users aren't taking advantage of many phones' hardware-based features. Rich Miner, Google's group manager of mobile platforms, stated that 80% of mobile phones being sold today have cameras on them, yet the number of people who actually know how to use them or get the images off the phones ranges between 10% and 50%, depending on the model. Miner listed several reasons for this state of affairs, including bad UIs and small screens, but added that the participation of companies with software expertise — including Google — would help increase usage of such features."

19 of 386 comments (clear)

  1. Cell phone companies to blame? by modemboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Or perhaps it might also involve the locking down of phones by carriers?
    If you can't use bluetooth for file transfer because the carrier locked it out, it makes it harder to get pics off. If you can't use the phone as a usb mass storage device because the carrier is worried about you copying ringtones yourself, obviously getting the pics off will be hard.

    That said, this "article" contains almost no useful information, so maybe Righ Miner had some better examples than the pictures...

    1. Re:Cell phone companies to blame? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Amen! The fact that AT&T charges more for an unlimited data plan than I currently pay to browse the web at home on a real computer is also a joke. And then AT&T expects me to pay even MORE if I want to use my phone as a Bluetooth modem? What, do I get a higher data rate if I surf that way instead of on the phone alone? It's all a big scam just ripe for an upstart company to come in and undercut all of them.

    2. Re:Cell phone companies to blame? by blantonl · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How many people do you know who RTFM?

      Have you ever tried to read a manual for any cell phone? It is usually 200+ pages, in 5 different languages. With wire diagrams, keys to press, page after page.

      Frankly, there is no need for an instruction manual. If a user cannot pickup the device and begin to use 80% of the features within a few days, then the user interface, the device, and the concept, is broken.

      Lindsay

      --
      Lindsay Blanton
      RadioReference.com
  2. What happened to just a plain old phone? by jshackney · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually, I just want a phone. Not a friggin' handheld multimedia device.

    1. Re:What happened to just a plain old phone? by icydog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's great. Then buy one of the 20% of phones without a camera and quit whining like a grumpy old lawn patrol. It's not like there aren't choices available for you.

    2. Re:What happened to just a plain old phone? by JCSoRocks · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly. Maybe they should have also asked how many people even gave a rip if their phone HAD a camera? The pictures from cell phones SUCK. Mine obviously has one and I never use it unless I've got nothing else and I MUST have a picture (did that once for a car accident).

      --
      You are using English. Please learn the difference between loose and lose; they're, there, and their; your and you're.
    3. Re:What happened to just a plain old phone? by lysergic.acid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      this banal argument crops up in _every_ single /. article about cellphones.

      and the answer is the same every single time. as icydog and countless others have replied, there are tons of cheap phones with minimal features.

      the only reason camera phones are so visible and common is because they're popular with consumers. it's useful having a camera on your person at all times, and most people don't need a $3000 DSLR for their uses. with point and shoot cameras becoming smaller and cheaper, it's simply more convenient to incorporate this feature into a device that people carry with them most of the time, such as a cellphone.

      if you work somewhere where camera-phones aren't allowed (like a court house) then just select a phone without a camera. how hard is that? certain handset makers, such as Nokia, even have models that have a no-camera option. this CNET article even compares 5 popular big brand phones that are camera-free (or have the option of being so). so stop complaining.

  3. I don't get it... by ivandavidoff · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Google's Rich Miner has identified one of the biggest problems facing mobile phone carriers, manufacturers, and developers: The hardware on the current generation of phones is not being used by many customers."

    Why is this a problem? Isn't this like fretting that 60% of Dodge Caravan owners don't use the rear-seat cup holders? Maybe people just don't want to take pictures with their phones.

  4. I wish them well but... by Gonoff · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am probably one of the majority.
    If I want to look at the internet, I like a big screen.
    If I want to take pictures, I want 10 megapixels.
    If I want to send someone some words, I want a keyboard.

    My phone is really good for me speaking to someone. That is what I use it for. I could use skype on my laptop but the phone has a better form factor.

    At work I find multifunction devices a bad thing. Scanners scan good, faxes fax, printers print and so on. Those clever boxes that do all three, never seem to do any of them as well.
    If my phone plays music as well as an mp3 player, that's good but there are few other things I have seen mobile phones do as well as the original devices.

    --
    I'll see your Constitution and raise you a Queen.
  5. I don't think that the carriers are "struggling".. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I admit that my situation is worse than many(el-cheapo-with-contract verizon phone); but I hardly get the impression that the carrier or the manufacturer are struggling to get me to use the phone's hardware features.

    Verizon cripples bluetooth on all non smartphones they sell(headset only, no obex etc) in order to force you to buy media from their overpriced store and encourage you to use the phone camera to send MMSes. They don't package cables or software for connecting to computers with their basic phones(or even attempt to upsell you on such accessories). Going directly through the manufacturer and/or with third party utilities, it is possible to connect the phone to a computer, and with a bit of hacking I've heard tethering is even possible.

    I don't mean to underestimate the stupidity and willful ignorance of users; but this is mostly the carriers problem. Their obsession with all-data-must-be-transferred-through-our-network-and-paid-for is particularly troublesome. If cell companies sold computers, you'd need a family plan and a SIM card for each of your peripherals. 10 bucks a month would cover your mouse's connection. Depending on how much you used it, you could pay for right clicks at 5 cents a piece, or 5.99 for unlimited right clicks.

  6. People don't care by Twigmon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The average consumer is not interested in learning how to user another device. They don't have the time or interest. I use my phone for all sorts of things: creating maps, navigation, photos, music player. A lot of the things I do with my phone are seen almost as science fiction by people like my parents.

    The thing is though - if my parents were to spend the time to learn how to use all of their phone's features - it probably wouldn't improve their quality of life at all.

    I can't see how more than 50% of the population would ever be bothered enough to learn how to use all of their phone's features even if they were dirt simple to use. It's just one of the facts of life that us geeks need to be willing to accept.

  7. Re:good for you by phanboy_iv · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I thought that the point of the article is that they aren't? Anyway, I'm 21, and I really wish I could just get a plain old phone with cheap service. If I want to listen to MP3's I'd rather use something with without mediocre sound quality that's not tied irrevocably to some dubious music service. If I want to take a picture, I'd rather use a real camera than those useless toys they put on cellphones.

  8. Open source changes **nothing** by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Users don't want features. They want benefits.

    They don't care whether these are free and open source or not - all they care about is getting what they want, at a reasonable price.

    Taking the camera example, many people don't want to use a crappy (as many phone cameras are) phone camera to take a picture and then download it via a USB cable into their computer, or screw around with SD cards etc. Give them an end-to-end solution where they snap their pic and it automagically ends up in Picassa/whatever. That would make them happy so long as the cost of doing so is a few cents per picture.

    --
    Engineering is the art of compromise.
  9. Camera Phones by MBCook · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's look at the problem with camera phones. I'm on my third, an iPhone 3G.

    • Lens: The lenses are pathetic, but what do you expect for something that has to be 3mm across and 1mm deep. Don't forget they are made of plastic and usually designed to cost about $0.001. You'll never get a decent picture out of them. The best camera phone photos I've seen come from phones with standard hand-held digicam size sensors and lenses, which are closer to cameras with phone functionality tacked on.
    • Sensor: Again, when your sensor is 1x1mm, you're not going to get good pictures in anything under bright sun. If you can't take a picture indoors, what's the point? Oh, right, you added a "flash". One small semi-bright whiteish LED is not a "flash".
    • Getting the picture: The iPhone is great here. Plug it into my computer, and iPhoto imports it like any other camera. I could also email it. Yet with my Razr I either had to put it on the little micro-sd card, find the adapter and mess with that, use a strange program like Bitpim (not the friendliest), or just send it in an MMS (at a large cost to me).

    Lets face it, things like cameras are crammed on the phone as a bullet point and no thought is given to how it operates or how easy it is for someone to use.

    My mom has never used the photo function on either of here two camera capable phones (the previous one she owned, and the current). She can't get the photos off (would need a special cable and software) except by sending them for $0.25 each (or whatever insane price Sprint charges).

    Heck, that's what my parents (and most "normal" people I've run across) have learned about their phones. They do neat things, and each one comes with a horrendously expensive charge. Phone calls are one thing, but text messages are $0.10 each unless you pay monthly. Web browsing is useful, except you pay $0.25 per KB unless you pay monthly. Games are fun, but they cost at least $5 to buy and most must be bought on a subscription basis (every 30 days or 3 months it's another $5).

    Lesson they learned? Don't use the phone for anything but as a phone, it's too expensive.

    --
    Comment forecast: Bits of genius surrounded by a sea of mediocrity.
  10. US cell phone users maybe. by Vandil+X · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The International market has superior,interchangeable-carrier phones, open plans, and phones that aren't locked down or restricted in any non-fair use way. And they have case law to keep things fair.

    For some US customers, pressing a button can result in opening an Internet application that charges a terrible data rate or something else that's both costly and unintentional. So some US users opt to just not try to poke around much beyond phone functionality and camera use.

    --
    Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, START
  11. Re:Connectivity by ekgringo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All the megapixels in the world won't help taking clear pictures when all you have is a fingernail-sized lens with only digital zoom.

  12. Exactly by Giant+Electronic+Bra · · Score: 5, Insightful

    90% of the people never have a NEED to take a picture with a cell phone. If all you had to do was point it and say 'Fido, take picture, send to Jane' it still wouldn't interest 50% of the population, they just plain don't need or want to take pictures. If they really DO want a picture, they want a good picture.

    So basically there are 2 issues here, one being people aren't all that interested, and secondly the extra gewgaw features on phones really aren't all that great. The cameras are mostly marginal to almost useless, etc.

    --
    "Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem." -- Jefferson
    1. Re:Exactly by Nursie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "I'd prefer it if the darned phones merely plugged into your USB port and you could pull the darned photos off the camera yourself. Haven't found one that'll let you do that yet. For now I'll carry the camera along with the phone."

      Every phone in europe. If not as a USB mass storage device (many are) or Bluetooth equivalent, then with some free (as in beer) software that comes with the phone.

      Seriously. This is why people don't use these feature, the US market is extremely warped by the networks sucking money out of people for no good reason, to the extent that people seem to be scared to do anything with the phone other than make calls in case they get stuck with an enormous bill.

  13. Bullshit: very few people value freedom per se by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Who is this "we" you're talking about? You're a FOSS geek, not a typical user.

    Typical users don't care if Google or MS or ATT have monopolies, so long as they get what they want at a reasonable cost. Nor do they care if their phones or sneakers are made in a sweat shop or whether the workers have the vote and have medical benefit, so long as they get them at a reasonable cost. Nor do they care whether Starbucks or Budweiser open sources their recipes so long as they get a drink at a reasonable price. Same deal with cars, etc etc.

    Very few people really value freedom unless they are being personally hampered by it. Heck only around 50% of eligible Americans vote and they supposedly value democracy!

    Still, even these Open Source phones are still closed at some level. Try to get the design files for the chips and GSM module.

    --
    Engineering is the art of compromise.