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On Fourth Launch Attempt, SpaceX Falcon 1 Reaches Orbit

xp65 writes with the just-announced success of Elon Musk's SpaceX's long efforts to reach orbit with a privately-developed launching craft: "T+0:08:21 Falcon 1 reached orbital velocity, 5200 m/s Nominal Second stage cut off (SECO) — Falcon 1 has made history as the first privately developed liquid fueled launch vehicle to achieve earth orbit!" dbullard adds "This was a completely new vehicle — it's not using any previously developed hardware. All developed from scratch. No government supplied hardware, Russian engines, or old ICBM motors. My hat's off to the employees of Space X — all 550 of them. (Note — no 'cast of thousands,' just 550). They've got video of the entire launch."

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  1. Not THAT impressive by damburger · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    Looking what the Big Nasty State of China just did, private enterprise is looking positively lame. Even with this launch, Musk's rocket still has only a 25% success rate and can only launch a few kilos into orbit.

    All you Ayn Rand fanboys seeking proof of the supremacy of the private sector, this is not it. If you want to really put your beliefs to the test, I suggest you look at the banking sector.

    Why am I being so rough? Slashdotters seem more than willing to jump on Elon Musk's "entrepreneurial" cock but at the same time make racist statements when the Chinese government achieves a far more significant space milestone. Don't expect everyone to fall at the feet of this guy simply because he fits in with your ideological predispositions; he is quite far behind.

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    1. Re:Not THAT impressive by damburger · · Score: -1, Flamebait

      Perhaps I should take your lead then. Any articles about the Shenzhou programme (which, btw, is doing pretty well to cost only 20 times as much as Musks effort considering how much more they are doing) are dogged with comments about 'chinks' and how they must be faking it because they couldn't possibly grasp high technology, followed by some comments about Tibet by people who get awfully defensive about Iraq. It gets pretty ugly.

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    2. Re:Not THAT impressive by damburger · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      If you think having a go at people for being corporate fanboys is equivalent to racism, then you really are lost.

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    3. Re:Not THAT impressive by damburger · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      The Chinese have spent about 20 times what Musk has (going on what my opponents say) and have come out with more than 20 times the value in terms of their results. You can't even compare three man capsules and spacewalks to launching microsatellites on the same playing field.

      He hasn't changed the economics of launching. Dnepr is still cheaper per kg than Falcon 1, and Proton is still cheaper per kg than Falcon 9 - and his price estimates for the latter are an optimistic assessment based on the laughable premise that a guy who didn't know how much thrust his engine would produce in actual flight can somehow get a cluster of 9 engines flying right on the first shot.

      China is a developing nation with a space programme that will, when the Shuttle retires, eclipse that of the most powerful nation on Earth. Musk is a billionaire with a useless toy. Totally different situations.

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  2. Re:What A Bunch Of Fuckups by damburger · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Just because there is a Wikipedia article about it, doesn't mean it will even become a reality.

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  3. Learn some fucking maths by damburger · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Falcon 1: $7 million/165kg = $42,424/kg

    Russian Proton: $85 million/21,600kg = $4,302/kg

    The retards saying that Falcon 1 is some revolution in price need to shut the fuck up and check their facts.

    Falcon 9 might beat (well, equal) Proton for price/kg if, repeat IF, it ever flies. This joker has got the simplest possible liquid fueled rocket flying after blowing up three of them, it will at least take him a while to figure out how to cluster engines.

    But after all this work he will only be able to equal the price of the old Russia stalwart, whats the fucking point? Nobody in their right mind will buy a launch from a billionaire with too much time on his hands when they can choose a far more proven launcher.

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    1. Re:Learn some fucking maths by Somegeek · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Wow.

      You sure have been working overtime to dismiss this achievement any way you can; now resorting to lying about costs to orbit. This must be, what, 10 or more flaming attacks by you just in this one story?

      I have been reading through your posts trying to guess why SpaceX disturbs you so much. At first I thought that you probably worked for one of the competing US aerospace companies, but you seem much to childish for that. If I were to guess I would say that you are a kid in Europe somewhere, (hmm, fluent in English, UK then), and that you dream of working for ESA someday. How did I do?

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  4. Re:What A Bunch Of Fuckups by damburger · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    It wouldn't be the first think NASA has thrown money at that didn't work out, would it?

    And it would of course depend on Musk being able to make Falcon 9 work; far from certain.

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  5. Re:What A Bunch Of Fuckups by damburger · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Why do you think either will make it?

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  6. Re:What A Bunch Of Fuckups by damburger · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    They had the Merlin engine firing on a stand and flight 3 still fucked up, didn't it? Don't pretend to understand such things.

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  7. Look Ma, no Germans! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    What a wonderful coincidence!

    This must certainly be God's hand at work.
    That'll show those heathen commie pagans the supremacy of U.S. Hollywood/pulpSF-style Small-Town Capitalism.

    See, who needs German engineers anymore?
    Now F*x Kneews can more easily avoid talking about that (ha!) "space" "walk"(Dr.Evil quote-mime. Er, DEQM?)

    ( And, no. Of course I didn't RTFA, that sort of thing is for weak of faith - or worse - you bunch of snickering heathen pagans!@). ;-)

  8. Re:Congrats ... by Chandon+Seldon · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Taxes? Don't come the "Private is best" crap with me whilst your government is propping up failing banks.

    If you are seriously asserting that banks in the United States have anything to do with "private companies" or "free markets", then you're either lying, confused, or uneducated.

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  9. Re:Cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    Don't be an idiot.

    What the fuck is it with this company and idiots like you desperately trying turn this fiasco of a company into some sort of 'triumph of teh private sector'?

    These clowns have only managed to get 25 percent of their ships to sub orbit and you are babbling about that being some sort of 'accomplishment'??? After decades of prior work by NASA and the Soviets these bozos have only managed to get one fucking ship to sub-orbit?

    And you are running your mouth off about them actually being used to service the Space Station?

    Here's some homework Einstein, go look up the launch and return success rate of the Russian ships.

  10. Re:A toast by tsa · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    And let me add that the car was not invented in America.

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  11. Re:MOD PARENT UP by KGIII · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    Which is why you've been on my "foes" list for a long time now and relates directly to my signature. On the other hand, facts not withstanding, it was actually a good rant. I applaud the program and wish that there was more that I could do to help but, alas, that's... You know... Rocket science. I'm usually lucky if I can tie my shoes.

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