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New Solar Cell Sets World Efficiency Record

asoduk writes to tell us that a new world record has been set for the most efficient photovoltaic device. Topping the scale at 40.8% efficiency, the new solar cell differs significantly from the previous record holder. "Instead of using a germanium wafer as the bottom junction of the device, the new design uses compositions of gallium indium phosphide and gallium indium arsenide to split the solar spectrum into three equal parts that are absorbed by each of the cell's three junctions for higher potential efficiencies. This is accomplished by growing the solar cell on a gallium arsenide wafer, flipping it over, then removing the wafer. The resulting device is extremely thin and light and represents a new class of solar cells with advantages in performance, design, operation and cost."

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  1. very cool, but... by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Call me in 20 years when they're in production. Seems it always takes that long for these innovations to get to market nowadays.

    1. Re:very cool, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      We'll have fusion by then. Electricity too cheap to meter ;-)

    2. Re:very cool, but... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Informative

      Your smile says that you also know this; but fission was supposed to be "too cheap to meter". Wonderful how it worked out.

    3. Re:very cool, but... by Kagura · · Score: 4, Funny

      Good, we can just hook the generator up to him! :)

    4. Re:very cool, but... by zippthorne · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Fission very well could be, but half-vast fission we've been saddled with as a result of the Carter administration's (the one president who should've known better, btw, what with his degree in nuclear engineering) machinations.

      Things tend to cost a lot more when you throw away (and have to devise elaborate means to protect yourself from) 98% of your fuel as "waste" because you don't want terrorists to be able to make nuclear bombs.

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    5. Re:very cool, but... by Perf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nowadays, most music is too cheap to meter (or matter.)

    6. Re:very cool, but... by falconwolf · · Score: 2, Informative

      Fission very well could be, but half-vast fission we've been saddled with as a result of the Carter administration's (the one president who should've known better, btw, what with his degree in nuclear engineering) machinations.

      Except the nuclear power industry had about 20 years to reduce cost before Carter came along. Lewis L. Strauss, chairman of the Atomic Energy Commission, said the "energy too cheap to meter" quote in 1955 not 1975.

      Falcon

    7. Re:very cool, but... by flyingsquid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If everyone were buying solar panels like they were going out of style, there'd of course be some price fluctuations, but eventually we'd know how to make them for much cheaper than we do now.

      As I see it, the free market is like a game, and the government sets up the rules and acts and referee. If you want the game to favor a particular outcome, change the rules of the game. There are a number of ways you could do this.

      For one, you could create tax breaks for companies that manufacture solar cells; that would get more people into the business and allow them to sell the product for cheaper, making it more cost competitive. You could also create tax deductions for consumers and businesses installing solar panels. If a solar panel costs $1000 but can be deducted against $1000 of personal or business income such that you avoid $250 of taxes, then the actual cost to you would be $750 dollars.

      There are also more direct ways of encouraging the development of solar power. One method would be to have the government purchase more solar cells, for installation on government buildings, or perhaps to help power military outposts and patrols in desert countries. They carry enough electronics in Iraq and Afghanistan these days that it would probably help to be able to use solar to power them. You could also buy solar cells and give them away to Iraqis, Afghans, or people in developing nations as a means of simultaneously (1) building a domestic industry, (2) building infrastructure in these countries, and (3) building goodwill. You could also fund large-scale projects by major research agencies, such as NASA, the NSF, and DARPA, into developing cheaper, more efficient cells.

      The solar industry is probably small enough that just applying a little pressure in the right place could make a major difference. I think it's like the internet- a little bit of government support early on will prove crucial in getting the solar industry to the critical mass needed for the industry to take off on its own, but a few taxpayer dollars now would be repaid many times over in decades to come.

    8. Re:very cool, but... by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ...because you don't want terrorists to be able to make nuclear bombs.

      You say that as if it's a trivial concern.

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    9. Re:very cool, but... by Nadaka · · Score: 3, Interesting

      hey... Thats my argument!

      If we built 10 thousand square miles of solar thermal power plants in the US southwest and a few hundred feeder-breeder reactors elsewhere, we could completely replace the low efficiency and high pollution electrical production of the US while expanding our capacity to be 2 or more times its current amount.

      This would allow us to also switch over to grid powered electric rail lines and widespread use of economical electric cars. Even without dramatically improved battery technology, long distance private vehicles could become viable if a charging rail system was installed along interstates and major highways to allow short range EV to charge on the move.

      The cost of the initial investment would be high (a few trillion) but over the course of a few decades it would easily pay for itself (assuming electrical rates similar to today).

    10. Re:very cool, but... by Jeremi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Fission very well could be, but half-vast fission we've been saddled with as a result of the Carter administration's (the one president who should've known better, btw, what with his degree in nuclear engineering) machinations.

      Perhaps President Carter (with his degree in nuclear engineering) had some insight into the risks involved? Perhaps he made the right decision, or at least the right decision at the time.

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    11. Re:very cool, but... by Poltras · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Perhaps it is time to re-evaluate that decision with the advance we've made since then. Been a couple of years now...

    12. Re:very cool, but... by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Which means the blame falls not on Carter for not correcting his mistake 20 years after being in office but...

      (I'm not picking on you. Just keeping the GP's thought train on the tracks in case he resurfaced.)

    13. Re:very cool, but... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 2, Informative

      In the early years ('99) I found a complete construction plan for a nuclear bomb on the net. Including contacts. First I thought this was a joke, but nowadays I know better, because I know quite a bit about that stuff.

      The point is, that it's very easy to build a nuclear bomb... in theory!
      In reality, it's very very hard, because first, you have to have uranium 235 (or plutonium 239, if you can get it), which must be extremely purified. And because of this, it is horribly expensive. If you buy the cheap crap, you get a dirty bomb, witch has exponentially less power, and is not very useful except for explosions that are so small that regular explosives would be more easy and more cheap.

      And then comes the hard part! If you build the classic hollow sphere design, you have to place the compressing explosives around the uranium in an extremely regular way. It has to ignite even more regular. One tiny timing difference, and you get no real compression, but the uranium blows out at the place where the explosion was delayed the most. Therefore you most probably do not even get a critical mass, and fission does not start. So you end up with a small explosion and some uranium pollution. Yeah. Great. All the hassle, for nothing.

      Don't even dream of going bigger and create a fusion bomb by putting (super)heavy water around it. You will never get it to work, because you have to make so many tests that the whole world would notice, before you would even get it to work right.

      That's why "terrorists" do not care for nuclear bombs. It's not economic and not worth the hassle. And if you're so crazy that you want to nuke something anyway, you either try to build it yourself and fail, or steal a real warhead. (Easy in the ex-CCCP countries, if they're not eaten by the rust by now.)

      And: No, I'm no spy, Russian, terrorist, American, or anyone special. I only was fascinated with Albert Einstein and the technology and physics behind fission/fusion as a kid. :)

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  2. yaaawwwwnnn.... by RapmasterT · · Score: 4, Insightful

    cool? yes, but only in the most esoteric sense. I've said MANY times before, fantastic new photovoltaic technology is announced every 6 months or so, NONE of it ever reaches the market. Call me when the ROI on home solar breaks the 20 year mark in my area. Right now it's almost 100 years.

    1. Re:yaaawwwwnnn.... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think it depends on what you mean by "the market". There are plenty of places where, due to low average solar energy/square meter and cheap grid power, solar will be unexciting until the day when you can get spray-on 95% efficient solar cells in a can. On the other hand, if you are paying 5 or 10 thousand dollars/kg to launch satellites, cutting edge solar cells might well be cost effective even if they cost as much, per square centimeter, as top edge microprocessors. All other markets fall somewhere between those two.

    2. Re:yaaawwwwnnn.... by DriedClexler · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The break-even point would immediately change to about 2 years if people had to actually (gasp!) pay for the damage their carbon emissions produce, or carbon emissions were capped at the level necessary to avert catastrophe.

      Just because you're not paying a cost, doesn't mean no one is.

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    3. Re:yaaawwwwnnn.... by jd34 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      While I agree that these types of announcements are overblown (they are talking about high-concentration PV here, which is not a good idea to put on roofs at all for structural reasons, and it only responds to about 80% of the available irradiance anyway due to being limited to beam radiation), the ROI is highly dependent on the economic conditions of the owner. Solar can payback fast if you are a large electricity user in the upper tiers of pricing even without incentives, and with incentives the banks are loving it today in many locations. If you are off-grid in a sensitive environment, you may have little alternative... what is the ROI on that? If you are living in a tiny home in a mild climate with no air conditioning, your ROI could indeed be prohibitive... but blanket statements about ROI are NOT "insightful", moderators.

    4. Re:yaaawwwwnnn.... by b0bby · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm not so sure. I use gas for hot water only right now; my gas bills are $15-20 a month. A fair chunk of that is the line fee, so if I install a gas stovetop, as my wife insists we will, I'll be paying that anyway. Even if I could disconnect it entirely, it's barely feasible to put in solar hot water & have it pay for itself in 20 years. I was all fired up to do it last year, but when I ran the numbers it just wasn't worth it.

    5. Re:yaaawwwwnnn.... by Heembo · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Complete" solar's ROI is 20 years, but solar hot water heaters here in Hawaii - where we get a lot of sun - with the federal solar tax credit - I'll make my money back in O N E year!

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    6. Re:yaaawwwwnnn.... by operagost · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe you would have to prove that an individual's carbon emissions actually have any sort of impact on the climate. Maybe athletes have to pay more because they burn more calories. Would you penalize poorer people who have to drive to work in less efficient cars, or would you force them under threat of imprisonment to ride the bus?

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    7. Re:yaaawwwwnnn.... by chromeshadow · · Score: 2, Funny

      At least you've got The Wall to hang panels on.

    8. Re:yaaawwwwnnn.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I know you like to Meddle, and it's true, I did have a Momentary Lapse of Reason, but I Wish You Were Here to fortify The Wall that I've built on The Dark Side of the Moon to keep out the Animals.

      TDz.

    9. Re:yaaawwwwnnn.... by Nadaka · · Score: 3, Informative

      actually, the dark side of the moon is more dark.

      In the moons night sky, the earth is more than 4 times larger than the moon is in our sky. The earths albedo is also about 3 times higher than the moon. So "Earthshine" on the moon is about 12 times brighter than moonshine is on earth.

      Effectively, the night time on the far side of the moon is about 12 moonshines darker than the near side.

    10. Re:yaaawwwwnnn.... by NaCh0 · · Score: 2, Informative

      He's obviously talking about the home market. Your squishy "it depends" answer doesn't cut it either. I live in Arizona where we have clear skys 300 days of the year. Nobody here is pushing solar because they all know it's an exotic technology that costs too much. I wish it weren't true, but it is.

  3. 40% starts to get interesting. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Informative

    At 40%, you're talking about 400W when in direct sunlight. With eight hours of sunlight per day the average house needs less than four square metres. Now, of course, you aren't going to be using the most power at the times when these are generating, but it can definitely put a significant dent in your electricity bills.

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    1. Re:40% starts to get interesting. by Ioldanach · · Score: 2, Interesting

      At 40%, you're talking about 400W when in direct sunlight. With eight hours of sunlight per day the average house needs less than four square metres. Now, of course, you aren't going to be using the most power at the times when these are generating, but it can definitely put a significant dent in your electricity bills.

      Your math reads, to me: 400W * 4 * 8 hours * 365 days = 4,672kWh/yr

      Unfortunately, both the 8 hours per day and the average usage per year are incorrect.

      Average electricity use in 2001 was 11,965kWh/yr [ US EPA ]. Average solar power insolation in the US is around 4.8kWh/day [ Solar Insolation for U.S. Major Cities ] (caveat: I took the average of the listed cities averages, so it'll be skewed towards more populous regions in the US)

      Therefore, 11965/(365*4.8*400 = 17m^2 of this material, just to generate enough energy over the course of the year to net zero over the power company's input. If you want to be grid free, you need to size for the worst case (winter), which is 3.75kWh/day, or 22m^2. That does sound like a lot, but then again, 22m^2, is only about 5m by 5m (15ft x 15ft). Even a single story 1000 square foot home has at least twice that on each side of its roof.

      I'll note, though, that this average probably includes air conditioning and electric heat, which are huge energy sinks. But then again, if they're what people want, then they'll need to be able to support them in their system.

  4. Important information missing? by gumpish · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Even TFA doesn't say what the previous record was or provide any quantitative comparison.

    1. Re:Important information missing? by SnowZero · · Score: 5, Funny

      The new cell produces enough electricity that if you covered a football field with them, it would be enough power to run an Olympic swimming pool full of hard drives. The additional electricity these cell provide compared to the previous record holder would allow you to copy several libraries-of-congress per second faster to your pool full of drives.

      Hope this helps.

    2. Re:Important information missing? by loftwyr · · Score: 4, Informative

      The previous record holder was 40.7%

      I'm not sure why this is here, this was a press release in Mid august.

    3. Re:Important information missing? by Kjella · · Score: 3, Funny

      Can I have a car analogy instead?

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    4. Re:Important information missing? by UID30 · · Score: 4, Funny

      they get roughly 32 rods per hogshead. divide that by the current vegas odds of the LHC finding the higgs boson vs sucking the world into a micro black hole, and you'll realize that is one hell of a burrito for only $700b.

      Wait a minute. What was this thread about again?

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  5. TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Was taking forever to load, so here's the article:

    Scientists at the U.S. Department of Energy's National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) have set a world record in solar cell efficiency with a photovoltaic device that converts 40.8 percent of the light that hits it into electricity. This is the highest confirmed efficiency of any photovoltaic device to date.

    The inverted metamorphic triple-junction solar cell was designed, fabricated and independently measured at NREL. The 40.8 percent efficiency was measured under concentrated light of 326 suns. One sun is about the amount of light that typically hits Earth on a sunny day. The new cell is a natural candidate for the space satellite market and for terrestrial concentrated photovoltaic arrays, which use lenses or mirrors to focus sunlight onto the solar cells.

    The new solar cell differs significantly from the previous record holder - also based on a NREL design. Instead of using a germanium wafer as the bottom junction of the device, the new design uses compositions of gallium indium phosphide and gallium indium arsenide to split the solar spectrum into three equal parts that are absorbed by each of the cell's three junctions for higher potential efficiencies. This is accomplished by growing the solar cell on a gallium arsenide wafer, flipping it over, then removing the wafer. The resulting device is extremely thin and light and represents a new class of solar cells with advantages in performance, design, operation and cost.

    NREL's Mark Wanlass invented the original inverted cell, which recently won a R&D 100 award. His design was modified by a team led by John Geisz that further optimized the junction energies by making the middle junction metamorphic as well as the bottom junction. Metamorphic junctions are lattice mismatched - their atoms don't line up. The material properties of the mismatched semiconductors allows for greater potential conversion of sunlight.

    NREL is the U.S. Department of Energy's primary national laboratory for renewable energy and energy efficiency research and development. NREL is operated for DOE by Midwest Research Institute and Battelle.

    1. Re:TFA by KiwiCanuck · · Score: 2, Informative

      2 points. Getting the intensity of 326 suns on my roof isn't going to happen. GaAs wafers are not cheap. Here is are some recent prices, 3" n-type GaAs are $125 each (per batch of 25), 4" n-type Ge are $344 each (per batch of 25), 4" 100) n-type Si are $35 each (again per batch of 25). Note: 3" (4"?) is as big as you are going to find a GaAs wafer. The growth method does not allow for larger wafers. Also, this price for Ge seems a bit high.

    2. Re:TFA by pushing-robot · · Score: 2, Informative

      Getting the intensity of 326 suns on my roof isn't going to happen. GaAs wafers are not cheap.

      Use a concentrator and a heliostat. The fact that solar cells work better at higher intensities is a *good* thing: That 3-4 inch wafer can collect the sunlight from a 5-6 foot fresnel lens. At that intensity it'll need good cooling during sunlit hours, but that's free hot water.

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    3. Re:TFA by Shotgun · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Gold isn't cheap, either, but you can find it spread across a $15 NIC card.

      Go figure.

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  6. Old? by pushing-robot · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006/12/new_world_recor.php

    TFA is slashdotted, but a little googling shows this happened two years ago.

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    1. Re:Old? by bugnuts · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, that was 40.7%. Old and busted.

      This is 40.8%. :p

  7. When we'll have solar by Abstrackt · · Score: 5, Funny

    We will have solar energy as soon as the utility companies solve one technical problem -- how to run a sunbeam through a meter.

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    1. Re:When we'll have solar by JohnnyGTO · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Shhhhh! don't give them any ideas or the next thing you'll know the goverment will be selling the rights to collect sun. Don't laugh, do you know it is unlawful to use rain barrels in Colorado? "Because rights to water are legally allocated in this state, an individual may not capture and use water to which he/she does not have a right." Next sunbeams?

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  8. Re:So... by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 3, Funny

    Just guessing here... 3-5 years.

  9. none of this matters unless ..... by Brigadier · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I no longer get excited about stories like this, as it doesn't matter unless someone figures out how to mass produce this stuff and make it available for the market. If I'm not mistaken photovoltaic production hasn't changed in years despite all this new technology. Why not run a story on why mfgs are taking so long to adopt this.

    1. Re:none of this matters unless ..... by JohnnyGTO · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You need to Google a bit, there have been steady improvements in efficiency, little incremental ones. The big improvement has come in manufacturing like First Solar.

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    2. Re:none of this matters unless ..... by swb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      IMHO, it's energy *storage* that matters more than generation. It seems like over time, even "normal" solar cells or wind power could build up an excess of energy that would cover night time, air conditioning, clouds, etc, but there's no practical way of storing the generated energy to use later.

  10. Re:sounds toxic by Stoutlimb · · Score: 4, Funny

    Unless you grind them up and snort them you're probably safe.

  11. Re:Cost per Watt more important by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There is more than one company who claims to be on the way to $1/Watt.

    But right now, subsidies in Germany are so high that PV vendors can sell for more than $1/Watt, and find customers. So you will get $1/Watt on the end user market when the German market is saturated, which will probably take a few more years.

    On the upside, we Germans essentially pay for the development of all those nice improved PV cells, because our subsidies guarantee a market ;-)

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  12. Re:please mirror by SnowZero · · Score: 4, Funny

    Alternatively, you can use a Fresnel lens instead of a mirror.

  13. Re:sounds toxic by joshtheitguy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That doesn't seem to matter to the health nuts. If there is even the slightest remote possibility it theoretically could cause cancer even only in the most unlikely of conditions they will do everything they can to make sure that this cell never happens.

  14. Re:I would love to see, for once by hack++slash · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "I would love to see for just once, an article that states that the mentioned technology is being produced en masse and possibly a website from where I can order it, wherever I may be at a reasonable price. I am asking too much, eh?"

    So you want an advertisment?

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  15. Cool and not cool by Kythe · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Indium is a very rare material, one which we're slated to deplete in less than 10 years or so at current rates of consumption, due in part to its use in display screens.

    I highly doubt that widespread use in solar cells would be feasible.

    Nice efficiency, though.

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    1. Re:Cool and not cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Indium is a very rare material

      Gallium is even rarer and is needed in equal quantities for this application.

    2. Re:Cool and not cool by gander666 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not entirely correct. First Solar uses CdTe, not CIGS (CuInGaSe2). Nanosolar uses an ink like printing process for the absorber layer in the cell. However, they have yet to produce more than samples.

      The CIGS companies who are making money (or nearly) today are Global Solar, Wuerth Solar, Showa-shell, and soon to be joined by Ascent Solar. Avancis Solar is scaling up as well. There is literally a metric ton of financing for thin film PV right now. I could probably add a dozen names (Miasole, heliovolt, Solibro, etc.)

      The attraction to the thin film PV is due to the fact that the world output of metalurgical grade of silicon is throttling the growth of traditional PV. Last year, Si hit $500/kg. FWIW, in 2001, it was
      Yes, I have been doing a lot of esearch on this lately...

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  16. What's your market? by raygundan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm just curious-- not implying that your calculations are wrong. I'm at the extreme other end in Arizona, and payback appears to be in the 10-15 year range for us, not counting resale and using a constant price for power for the next 15 years. That's well within the system warranty time, but may still be a bit too much for people to pay for up front.

    Payback speed depends heavily on your local utility, their rates, their incentives, and whether they allow net-metering over the entire year, or just monthly. It also depends on whether or not you are willing to consider resale value as part of your payback time.

    I suspect Hawaii is even better than Arizona despite having more cloudy days, just because power is so freaking expensive there.

    In the long run, I think leases will win out. A couple of companies are offering deals where you lease the system and panels, and they promise your new smaller electric bill plus the lease cost will be lower than your current electric bill. A deal like this makes things suddenly interesting to people who don't have $20k to drop up front.

  17. Expensive! by mangu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    These things will be *very* expensive, I'll guess that the main application will be in spacecraft solar panels.

    First, they use gallium, which is an expensive material. Second, from the description in the summary (TFA is slashdotted), they do one side, then flip it over and etch the backside to get at the junction from the back. Seems like a costly manufacturing process.

    1. Re:Expensive! by Yvan256 · · Score: 2, Funny

      When I flip my pancakes over in the morning, I don't think it increases their cost by much.

  18. Re:Expensive, poisonous... by theelectron · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hmmm.. I wonder if the solar energy crowd would be into recycling?...

  19. Re:So... by lgw · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How much do they cost and when can I get some?

    If the goal here is to move away fom the consumption of materials in short supply, solar cells based on gallium and indium aren't going to help. We had a world-wide gallium shortage at the turn of the millenium, and that only receeded because demand slacked off some. There is currently a shortage of indium that started in 2007.

    Both of these elements are hard to come by because they are not just rare, but sparsely distributed. Indium is produced from lead, zinc, and tin production waste, and I think gallium mostly from aluminum production waste. I'm sure supply will increase over time, but we can't quickly ramp up production of either element by "mining more".

    Niether of these elements would remain economical if there were a sharp spike in demand.

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  20. Supply hiccup due to storm.. by zippthorne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Price gouging: Not enough of it.

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  21. Re:sounds toxic by CaptainPatent · · Score: 2, Funny

    Unless you grind them up and snort them you're probably safe.

    Oh crap... You mean you're not supposed to do that!?!?

    I better call my doctor.

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  22. You all got your ratios wrong by ChrisA90278 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why does everyone think these would be used to produce electric power for domestic use? Something like this is much better suited for use on spacecraft.

    When you are covering your roof you care about the power/cost ratio. On spacecraft you care a lot about power/weight ratio. This new type of cell address power/area which translates directly to power/weight

  23. Re:Terducken power wafers by thehickcoder · · Score: 4, Funny

    Too bad there isn't a "-1 Incoherent" mod.

  24. *sigh* Wrong research focus by macraig · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Does this need to be said again? There's no shortage of roof space and other places to locate solar cells, so the efficiency of the cells is only a marginal issue; the bigger issue is COST. Instead of focusing all the research on this penile my-cell-is-more-efficient-than-YOURS pissing contest, it ought to be focused on finding least toxic and least expensive means of production. Certainly large scale mass production will eventually reduce costs, but large scale adoption won't occur until they can be produced inexpensively enough in the first place to motivate widespread use. Efforts should be focused on finding the least expensive and least toxic method of production for now, and worry about improving efficiency once their use has become commonplace.

  25. WTPOYSAIYHTWIANTITEIA? by ustolemyname · · Score: 2, Insightful

    WTPOYSAIYHTWIANTITEIA? (What's the point of your stupid acronym if you have to write it all next to it to explain it anyways?)

    source

  26. Re:no need to 'store' electricity. by Brigadier · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I actually think there is a simple source to this. It's not so much to store energy but to re-direct it. If home owners with solar arrays are hooked up to the electrical grid they can sell power to the grid during the day to supply business and manufacturing. Then at night the grid will forward excess power not used by business back to the homeowners. There is no need to 'store' energy in the traditional sense.

  27. Re:So... by Dahamma · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't see the problem. All we need to do is develop a cheap, efficient form of fusion to create the exotic elements we need so that we can produce these solar cells to provide a new source of cheap, efficient energy.

  28. Re:So... by iconograffiti · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maybe it's time we start mining the landfills.

  29. Re:sounds toxic by Yvan256 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Please choose a doctor:
    A. Doctor McCoy, who's going to make you take some magical pills and ask you to get a good night sleep.
    B. Doctor Crusher, who'll treat you and then send you to counselor Troy to deal with any emotional damage.
    C. Doctor Bashir, who'll invent a whole new treatment because he can't be bothered by "ancient techniques" created by normal humans.
    D. The Doctor, who'll simply laugh at you while mentioning something along the lines of "hologram can't be harmed by such trivial things".
    E. Doctor Phlox, who probably has some kind of alien leeches he can put on you to drain out the toxins.
    F. The Doctor. He's not a real doctor, but I guess he could send you back in time to warn yourself not to do that in the first place.

  30. Re:sounds toxic by Surt · · Score: 3, Funny

    I will personally guarantee to you that they are not cancergnous.

    --
    "Who is the Journal of Quantum Physics going to believe?" --Stephen Hawking
  31. available solar power by falconwolf · · Score: 2, Informative

    Call me when the ROI on home solar breaks the 20 year mark in my area. Right now it's almost 100 years.

    You don't get much sun where you're at do you? Here's a spread sheet you can play with to calculate ROI, now I haven't looked at it so I don't know how good it it. This is the webpage that links to it. Of course you'd get a better return by increasing energy efficiency.

    Falcon

  32. Re:ROI has more than one factor by RapmasterT · · Score: 2, Informative

    Very valid point. The ROI is directly dependent on the expense it's replacing. California and Florida have the shortest ROI on home solar due to their combination of high electricity prices, large governmental subsidies, and sunlight density. If oil went up to $500 a barrel tomorrow, the ROI on solar becomes VERY interesting even in sunlight poor areas. As an interesting perspective, the proposed $700 billion bailout currently under consideration by the government would fund 100% of home solar power needs for 35 million US homes.

  33. Why waste time when you can make gold by bigtrike · · Score: 3, Funny

    Why mess around with solar cells when you can use that technology to turn lead into gold. We'll have so much gold that everyone on this planet will be so rich that they won't have a need for cheap solar power.

  34. Re:sounds toxic by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 2, Funny

    House is not a name. What's next, Doctor Building, Doctor Roof and Doctor Door?

    ...and there's the proof that those chemicals in your blood are dangerous to your health. Any questions?
    - Greg House.