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Advanced Excel for Scientific Data Analysis

cgjherr writes "If the recent financial meltdown has left you wondering, 'When does exponential decay function stop?' then I have the book for you. Advanced Excel for Scientific Data Analysis is the kind of book that only comes along every twenty years. A tome so densely packed with scientific and mathematical formulas that it almost dares you to try and understand it all. A "For Dummies" book starts with a gentle introduction to the technology. This is more like a "for Mentats" book. It assumes that you know Excel very well. The first chapter alone will have you in awe as you see the author turn the lowly Excel into something that rivals Mathematica using VBA, brains, and a heaping helping of fortitude." Read on for the rest of Jack's review. Advanced Excel for Scientific Data Analysis author Robert de Levie pages 700 publisher Oxford Press rating 9 reviewer Jack Herrington ISBN 9780195370225 summary Use Excel for high end scientific data analysis akin to Mathemetica When I first opened this book my mouth just dropped. It had been years since I had seen a book typeset using LaTeX. But in an instant it made sense as the book is crammed packed with the kind of equations that would have been a nightmare to build with any other tools. Chapter after chapter has everything a really smart person needs to do curve fitting, statistical measures, differential equations, time-frequency analysis. But don't expect a play by play here. You will get the equations, set within a few dense paragraphs, with maybe a spreadsheet and a chart or two to show the results.

The first chapter concentrates on the getting the most out of Excel as a tool. All the chapters that follow dig into specific data analysis techniques. Chapters two, three and four are on least squares. Chapter five and six cover the analysis in the time domain including fourier transforms. Chapter seven covers differential equations. Chapter eight returns to Excel by digging in deeper into macros. Which leads into chapter nine, where we dig deeper into basic mathematical operations. Chapter ten covers matrix operations. And chapter eleven wraps it all up by giving you some spreadsheet best practices.

In University style there are also some exercises that you can do along the way if you want to tweak your brain pan a little more. To amuse myself I tried a few and I believe the book would have assessed my attempts 'wanting' if it had a voice to tell me.

Where most books like this would have several authors this book has just one; Roberte de Levie. This means that the tone, style and quality of the book is consistent throughout. A fact that you will come to appreciate as the book wades in ever increasingly deep data analysis concepts as the chapters roll on.

Though I would have preferred the book to have code samples in C#, I understand that the language of Excel is VBA and I guess I have to live with that. Thankfully VBA has come a long way and if you so inclined it would likely be easy to translate the code into C#, Java, or whatever else you like.

The fact that one person wrote the book left me wondering, "Who is this guy?" In my minds eye I kinda of figured he would look like one of those pulsing brain guys from Star Trek. Turns out he is a professor at Bowdoin College. And his fields of study include ionic equilibria, electrochemical kinetics, electrochemical oscillators, stochastic processes, and a whole lot more stuff that almost seems made up to sound impressive.

When this book isn't serving as an amazing reference for both Excel, scientific problem solving, or just insane equations it serves other purposes as well. It's a handy portable IQ test, as the count of pages you can grind through in one sitting, plus 90, is roughly your intelligence quotient. And if you fail at that you can always put a copy of the book, along with the Orange Bible, under your pillow and try to osmose your way to becoming the Kwisatz Haderach.

In all seriousness, this is a great book. It represents the kind of in-depth work and research we used to see in books that came out twenty years ago. Robert is to be applauded for his work. This is an excellent resource for anyone looking to do scientific data analysis but who was unaware of the powerful capabilities that Excel provides that is likely waiting just one Startup menu click away.

The book is not without fault. I would have preferred that it had been in color, or at least have one color section to show some of the more impressive visualizations that I'm sure would look great in color. In addition the index is silly short for a book that clocks in at 700 pages. But those are only minor quibbles for what is all-in-all an amazing piece of work.

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  1. alternately.... by mattdm · · Score: 5, Insightful
    1. Re:alternately.... by axxaxxo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Computational Statistics & Data Analysis recently devoted an entire issue to Excel 2007. A good example of general opinion can be seen in the paper by McCullough and Heiser (2008) "On the accuracy of statistical procedures in Microsoft Excel 2007". http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.csda.2008.03.004 From the abstract: "Excel 2007, like its predecessors, fails a standard set of intermediate-level accuracy tests in three areas: statistical distributions, random number generation, and estimation. Additional errors in specific Excel procedures are discussed. Microsoftâ(TM)s continuing inability to correctly fix errors is discussed. No statistical procedure in Excel should be used until Microsoft documents that the procedure is correct; it is not safe to assume that Microsoft Excelâ(TM)s statistical procedures give the correct answer. Persons who wish to conduct statistical analyses should use some other package."

  2. Bad math by kwabbles · · Score: 3, Funny

    If the recent financial meltdown has left you wondering, 'When does exponential decay function stop?' then I have the book for you. Advanced Excel for Scientific Data Analysis

    So THAT's why we had a financial meltdown. All of those investment banks were doing their books and analysis with Excel 2007.

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    1. Re:Bad math by limerope · · Score: 2, Informative

      Speaking as a wageslave in the Financial Industry: Yes, excel is the standard. For accounting. For modelling. For almost everything.

      It scares me. Deeply.

  3. incongruous by drfireman · · Score: 5, Funny

    There's something hard to reconcile about the reviewer's obvious awe and the fact that the book was written by someone who thinks doing meaningful scientific data analysis in Excel is a good idea.

    1. Re:incongruous by fbjon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why isn't it a good idea, and does this apply equally to OpenOffice?

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    2. Re:incongruous by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There's something hard to reconcile about the reviewer's obvious awe and the fact that the book was written by someone who thinks doing meaningful scientific data analysis in Excel is a good idea.

      Care to expand on why you think you can't do 'meaningful scientific data analysis in Excel?' Are you one of these people who 'reviews' books without actually reading them?

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    3. Re:incongruous by johnny+cashed · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Last time I checked (and it has been a while), Excel has computational bugs in it which can result in valid data in -> garbage out. In my mind, 'meaningful scientific data analysis' involves accurate computation. But maybe I'm just a dreamer.

    4. Re:incongruous by johnny+cashed · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, 2007 has bugs in it. I don't use Excel, I use something that can utilize math correctly. Have you checked your spreadsheet program? Or do you just assume that Microsoft does everything correctly?

    5. Re:incongruous by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why isn't it a good idea, and does this apply equally to OpenOffice?

      It's OK for simple stuff, but trying to do something like implementing a loop in a spreadsheet. And yes, the criticism applies to OO as well.

      There are very good packages out there - some open source - for doing scientific analysis. I'd recommend R or Octave (a matlab clone), personally. Also, Python + NumPy + SciPy + Pylab is great for doing Matlab-like things, and it's all free as well.

    6. Re:incongruous by Murple+the+Purple · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Beating on Excel is easy. Do you check your math utility? Or do you just assume your compiler/vendor does everything correctly?

    7. Re:incongruous by TarrVetus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, 2007 has bugs in it. I don't use Excel, I use something that can utilize math correctly. Have you checked your spreadsheet program? Or do you just assume that Microsoft does everything correctly?

      I use Excel for daily business functions and data analysis, and will continue to do so, but I don't assume Excel is perfect. I do what I should do with any program I use for calculations, though: I stay aware of all of the quirks and bugs I can of the program, and try to work around them.

      Every program is going to have a bug or two (or five thousand, seeing as Excel is part of MS Office), but part of working with software is to know what those are and learn to not let them ruin work.

    8. Re:incongruous by johnny+cashed · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, I do put faith into my fortran compiler.

    9. Re:incongruous by cyphercell · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I use spreadsheets to prototype and document ideas. Once I had thought a full blown reference implementation in a spreadsheet would be a good idea (basically, more time was spent on the reference than the final project). Fact is spreadsheets are good for one-off problems, or simple problems that gather lots of data (ex. accounting, statistics). When you have a heavy data model, heavy logic model, and complex results, spreadsheets are ultimate FAIL. They are good for developing algorithms quickly, good for testing a piece of data and figuring out what you want it to look like in a database, but they do not scale well for many types of projects. My rule of thumb is that any given portion of a successful spreadsheet should be limited to about five. Five inputs, five outputs, or five calculations. So you can have five inputs, 20 calculations. 20 inputs and five calculations etc. Otherwise the debugging process will consume your project.

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    10. Re:incongruous by drfireman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Care to expand on why you think you can't do 'meaningful scientific data analysis in Excel?' Are you one of these people who 'reviews' books without actually reading them?

      Someone else has already posted a link to a page that nicely summarizes many (not all) of the problems with using excel for science. But there is virtually no statistical technique which isn't already better implemented in R (free) and many other statistical packages. Real stats packages provide implementations of a given technique that are at least as reliable, provide more control, more options, more diagnostics, and often more guidance. The built-in stuff in Excel is so oversimplified that I think if you're really forced to use it for serious statistics, you'd have to re-implement things using basic arithmetic operations. It's graphing capabilities, last time I checked, lacked the majority of even the most basic kinds of statistical/scientific graphs/plots. Sure, you can do this or that in Excel, and if you're willing to put in enough work you can often get what you really need out of it. But it's rarely if ever the best tool for the job of scientific data analysis.

      I don't review books about reading them, and this is no exception. But I do have an informed opinion about the premise of this book (and to a lesser extent about the level of insight of a reviewer who seems, to put it mildly, easily awed). The premise that Excel is good to use for scientific data analysis is pretty deeply misguided. I'd be happy to be convinced otherwise if I were really wrong, but I can only set aside so much time for listening to arguments from nutcases (just in case one of them may have a point). I'm sure if I actually read this book, I'd learn about various useful things Excel can do that would surprise and impress me. But I already have all the information I need to form a reliable opinion on this question, and I value my time too much to read books about space aliens living among us or about doing analysis in Excel.

      Truth to tell, I use openoffice calc (more or less an Excel clone) quite a bit for research-related things. But I'm careful with it, and don't rely on it for much more than moving numbers around.

    11. Re:incongruous by Ornedan · · Score: 2, Funny

      I would guess that OpenOffice Calc is not suitable either, although I would tend to trust it a little more than Excel simply because it's open source.

      Their spec is to be bug-compatible with Excel. Though, IIRC, with optional parameters for correct behaviour.

  4. Wrong Tool by Hatta · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Talk about the wrong tool for the job. If you need to do any sort of serious data analysis, use R, not Excel.

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    1. Re:Wrong Tool by treeves · · Score: 2, Informative

      Or use them together: Use RExcel and RCommander.

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    2. Re:Wrong Tool by internerdj · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While I agree, sometimes being an engineer or analyst means working with one or two or six hands tied behind your back because of time, money, or IT-imposed user-permissions. If you aren't capable of identifying the sources of error in your data as well as those caused by your tools, then you are probably going to do a poor job even with the best tools. Bad tools should never be an acceptable excuse for delivering faulty analysis.

  5. eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "The first chapter alone will have you in awe as you see the author turn the lowly Excel into something that rivals Mathematica using VBA, brains, and a heaping helping of fortitude."

    Then why not just use Mathematica?

    1. Re:eh? by goofballs · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "The first chapter alone will have you in awe as you see the author turn the lowly Excel into something that rivals Mathematica using VBA, brains, and a heaping helping of fortitude."

      Then why not just use Mathematica?

      1. you want to interact directly with excel data you receive
      2. you need to give the results to someone w/out mathematica
      3. a license of mathematica costs $2500, vs $150 for Office Home and Student
    2. Re:eh? by The+Dancing+Panda · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because I already have Excel, and Mathematica is another 120 dollars?

    3. Re:eh? by jpmorgan · · Score: 2

      $120? You must be joking. A professional license of Mathematica is more like $2500.

    4. Re:eh? by gardyloo · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you're going to mention that the Office costs $150 for a student version, you might as well mention that Mathematica's student version (identical to the full version, except for a banner upon printing) is $140.

    5. Re:eh? by gardyloo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Oh, and as for sharing w/ people who don't have Mathematica, that's what the free Mathematica Readers are for.

    6. Re:eh? by goofballs · · Score: 2, Informative

      Although you don't have to be a student to use the Home and Student edition, keep in mind that it is not licensed for commercial use of any kind, including non-profits.

      yup, already pointed that out in another post that if you want to use it for commercial use, you have to step up to the standard version for $240. point still stands w/ regards to mathematica at $2500 though.

  6. I have not read the book by melted · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But it seems you have not seen Word 2007 equation editor. It's close, in both capabilities, and output quality, to LaTeX. Too bad the rest of Word sucks ass.

    >> that would have been a nightmare to build with any other tools

    1. Re:I have not read the book by Forbman · · Score: 2, Informative

      The company that developed the equation editor (MS licenses a neutered version of it for Office) does have a full-blown version available...

    2. Re:I have not read the book by slashdotlurker · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah. Try writing a paper full of equations with Word. You will feel like bashing the monitor in before you are a fifth of your way into the task. (Assuming you know LaTeX).
      It may be close now in output quality, but any search, point and click system will always be inferior to LaTeX when it comes to equations.

    3. Re:I have not read the book by solafide · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Output quality: does it have automatic equation numbering? An equivalent for BibTeX? Intelligent modifiable Table of Contents? Ability to replace a math symbol wherever used with another? Change aforementioned numerations at will?

    4. Re:I have not read the book by backwardMechanic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ...in the same way that MS paint is as capable as photoshop...

      Yes, I use both. LaTeX if I have a choice, Word if I need to exchange docs with less enlightened colleagues.

  7. Wrong tool for the job by Daishiman · · Score: 4, Informative

    Someone should tell this guy about SAGE http://www.sagemath.org/

  8. Spreadsheets are the right tool ... by MacTO · · Score: 4, Funny

    You see, there is a fundamental problem in science and the problem can be summarized as this: how do you get the right results in order to optimize the grants that you receive. Spreadsheets are ideal for this purpose for two reasons. First of all, they are designed to handle financial data. This is great because financial data are what grants are all about. For example: will result X allow for a conference in Hawaii or California this year.

    The other big reason to use spreadsheets is that they make data more maluable. Normal scientific tools make it difficult to micromanage the data that you acquire, partially because the people who produce that software have this mistaken notion that data has to be managed in a consistent way. So you're usually stuck doing the same thing to an entire dataset, and it's even difficult to treat different datasets in different way. But spreadsheets expose all of that data, so it is easy to tweak an observation here and a variable there to get the desired result to maximize your grant.

    So you see, spreadsheets are a tremendously valueable tool for scientists. It is the best tool for the job.

  9. That's nothing by MarkusQ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    turn the lowly Excel into something that rivals Mathematica using VBA, brains, and a heaping helping of fortitude

    So? What's so special about that? You can turn C, Fortran, or even assembly language into something that rivals Mathematica using brains and a heaping helping of fortitude. This is arguably a better deal, since you don't need the VBA.

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  10. This problem was sorted out? by merkur · · Score: 3, Interesting
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  11. When all you have is a hammer... by Vornzog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...everything looks like a snowglobe!

    Hardcore data analysis in Excel is almost always a bad idea. You can almost always find a way to do it in excel, and you can almost always find a way to do it better, faster, and cheaper somewhere else.

    R, MatLab, Mathemateica, Python/Numpy, SigmaPlot, and any number of old, well written, debugged and vetted numerical libraries written in C or Fortran. I've used all of these at various times to solve something that a co-worker couldn't figure out how to do in Excel.

    I fit quick linear regressions in Excel. For *anything* else, there is a better choice.

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  12. Spreadsheets are not the right tool by elite1789 · · Score: 3, Informative

    As a graduate student in physics, I have never seen a serious researcher use excel for data analysis. Nor for that matter, is it common to see a scientist using windows for the OS--all linux and mac OS. This is akin to writing a book about publishing scientific papers with office. Instead, learn LaTex... The only group of people who use excel for large data analysis are financial types and MBAs. Need I remind you how that turned out?

    1. Re:Spreadsheets are not the right tool by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As a graduate student in physics, I have never seen a serious researcher use excel for data analysis.

      Nor for that matter, is it common to see a scientist using windows for the OS--all linux and mac OS.

      This is akin to writing a book about publishing scientific papers with office. Instead, learn LaTex...

      The only group of people who use excel for large data analysis are financial types and MBAs. Need I remind you how that turned out?

      Oh, so that's why at APS meetings I've seen maybe 5 presentations, ever (out of at the very least 500) given on something other than Windows (Ubuntu once, MacOS the other few times), despite the fact that nearly every speaker uses his or her own laptop for the presentation. Wait...my data seems to indicate that physicists hardly ever use Mac or Linux at all!

      If we're just talking about computers controlling instruments, then I see about 90% Windows, 10% Linux if the instrument costs less than a million dollars, and 90% Linux, 10% Windows if it costs more than a million (and there's a transition zone in there somewhere, but my experience is mostly with $100k and $100MM equipment). CERN, for instance, is mostly controlled by non-Windows, but a lot of the laptops lying around there, presumably because people are going to do analysis on them, are Windows. Argonne is a healthy mix of Linux for controls and Windows for analysis. At MIT and Princeton, a couple professors use a Mac, a couple use Linux, most use Windows for personal use. Nearly everyone running stat mech simulations uses Linux for those, but a lot of those people have a personal Linux box.

      I'm not going to say that it's good, but I will say that it's true.

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  13. Excel is a horrible tool by slashdotlurker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    for scientific data analysis.

    I know it is popular and many science and engineering faculty lazily encourage their graduate students to use it. However, something like matlab beats the crap out of excel any day. Spreadsheets tend to obfuscate relationships between data, require a lot more clicking (read human intervention) and waste time that could be spent thinking about the data, and are singularly unsuited for analysis of similar sets of data (a situation any scientist faces when he has to do a series of experiments).
    Matlab might take sometime to initially write the scripts, but it is so powerful and extensible that no one in their right mind would want to use excel. If you are a slave to spreadsheets, get yourself a copy of Microcal Origin or Labplot.

    Excel is especially unsuited to the task of preparing figures for scientific publications. The default formatting is at once wrong for the task and hard to change. Once you set your preferences in matlab (easy to do), you are set for life.

    In my experience, excel is also rarely used for anything serious outside of US. Maybe its an indictment of how lazy, slow witted and easily misled our pool of talent is becoming.

    1. Re:Excel is a horrible tool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I don't quite understand your post. Do you have a Power Point presentation?

    2. Re:Excel is a horrible tool by ChienAndalu · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In my experience, excel is also rarely used for anything serious outside of US. Maybe its an indictment of how lazy, slow witted and easily misled our pool of talent is becoming.

      I have experienced whole companies running on Excel spreadsheets - they use it for accounting, instead of a database, and, you guessed it, scientific data analysis. The company I'm talking about is in the power supply industry.

  14. Excel does not Excel by systemeng · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When I worked in the semiconductor industry in the late 90's, Excel nearly cost us several hundred grand. It had "helpfully" autocorrected a code in the documentation for a mask used in one of our clock buffer chip products. Had the engineers not caught this mistake in the printout, the fab of the chip would have been botched. The engineers were mad as I recall because they would change the code and Excel would change it back. If you can't prove what your tool is doing, you don't get to use it is what they taught me in engineering school.

  15. Using Excel for scientific calculations by gmuslera · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is perfectly safe and trusty for that kind of work. Thats why we are using it here at the Large Hadron Co

  16. Excel *could* replace SPSS (not Mathematica) by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 3, Informative

    SPSS has now become the standard data analysis package for quantitative studies in social sciences. It's very crappy software, and it wouldn't take a whole lot of augmentation to get Excel do what SPSS does.

    The problem is that social scientists don't want to mess with the internals too much, and SPSS made for them a point and click interface - in effect, they out-Microsofted Microsoft. They charge an insulting $1500/copy and completely dominate the universities, so they're making good money.

    They seriously need some competition.

    1. Re:Excel *could* replace SPSS (not Mathematica) by synthespian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Now, who told you SPSS is crappy software? It's a widely used software for not only Social Science but for the Biology and Medical fields - in short, for anyone serious about statistics who's not a statistician.

      Excel, OTOH, has a long track record of errors. Microsoft does not have the expertise for numerical and statistics software.

      Which is not surprising, if you remind yourself that Microsoft did not even have security expertise for its own main product line...This software landscape is dominated by Matlab, Maple, SAS, S-Plus, R, Scilab, SPSS and Mathematica. This is what people in the field use. *Not* Excel.

      People have got to stop thinking that what Microsoft does, it does always well. That just shows lack of analysis and reading.

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  17. Re:alternately.... kind of begs the question... by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Informative

    What in the world are you talking about? :)

    LaTeX is a markup language. You can express math with it, but it doesn't do anything for you in terms of analysis.

    Excel is good for small data sets and quick looks at stuff - but painful to develop in.

    Mathematica requires college-level calculus and linear algebra... not PhD stuff by any stretch.

    Anyway, you left out Matlab - which is pretty awesome. Depending on what you are doing, there is also R, Maple, Minitab, MathCAD, yada, yada, yada. Lately I've been doing stuff in Python... SAGE is pretty nifty, and the NumPy/SciPy stuff is coming along well (it is included in SAGE).

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  18. Anecdote about Excel by Thelasko · · Score: 2, Funny

    When I was a freshman in engineering school, my intro to engineering class required us to purchase a book similar to this. We were given two class periods to work with Excel, supervised by a TA. (it was considered a lab) I remember the assignment involved proving that sin^2+cos^2=1.

    If you couldn't figure out Excel within those two class periods, it was recommended that you switched your major to business administration. The business administration school had a semester long class devoted to learning Excel.

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    1. Re:Anecdote about Excel by meringuoid · · Score: 4, Funny
      When I was a freshman in engineering school, my intro to engineering class required us to purchase a book similar to this. We were given two class periods to work with Excel, supervised by a TA. (it was considered a lab) I remember the assignment involved proving that sin^2+cos^2=1.

      Proving that with Excel? How does that work? That's a trigonometry problem, and it follows from the definitions of the sine and cosine functions, and from Pythagoras's theorem. You do it with a pen and paper and you write 'QED' at the bottom. To prove it with Excel, you'd have to calculate the result individually for every possible angle, and unless Microsoft have released an update I haven't had yet then Excel doesn't have a transfinite number of available rows.

      Oh, wait...

      engineering school

      That's dangerously close to reality. That's where they think that if something works the first fifty million times, then it's going to work every time.

      Still, it could be worse. You could be in If you couldn't figure out Excel within those two class periods, it was recommended that you switched your major to business administration.

      Yeah.

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  19. comparison of Mathematica and Excel VBA .. by rs232 · · Score: 5, Informative

    You cannot be serious ..

    "Excel 2007, like its predecessors, fails a standard set of intermediate-level accuracy tests in three areas: statistical distributions, random number generation, and estimation"

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  20. ...there's a better solution by mangu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Python for scientific analysis,

    Python is the solution I recommend for everyone who looks for tips on advanced Excel uses. Excel is OK if you just want some quick and dirty solution for a small problem, but if you have to go to the trouble of reading a book, Excel is clearly not the best solution.

    For scientists and engineers who need something more than what Excel (and possibly Matlab) offers, I recommend starting with either A Byte of Python or Dive Into Python.

  21. Re:Loops in spreadsheets by MightyYar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is one reason the VB scripting turns out to be highly useful.

    I recently had to do a project in VBA/Excel after years away from it, and it made me want to dig my eyes out with a spoon.

    Don't ever write custom functions... ever. You'll thank me when you don't have to worry about whether or not they silently fail.

    And once I had my whole spreadsheet corrupt for some reason... had to open on a Mac and re-save it. Then it worked fine on the PC again! Aye.

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  22. Re:alternately.... kind of begs the question... by jank1887 · · Score: 3, Informative

    don't forget Octave! (it's more-or-less a FOSS Matlab clone, and follows more closely to Matlab syntax than SciLab)

  23. Excel for Scientists and Engineers by sfjohnson · · Score: 2, Informative

    Another book in the same line is E. Joseph Billo's "Excel for Scientists and Engineers," Wiley-Interscience, 2007 ISBN 978-0-471-38734-3, including CD.

    You may or may not agree with using Excel, but if you do, this book will help with roots of real and imaginary equations, ordinary and partial differential equations, matrices, and statistics.

    Sometimes you just don't have the luxury of using Matlab, Spotfire, etc.
     

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  24. Re:incongruous ...I KNEW there was a reason by jank1887 · · Score: 3, Funny

    openorifice... if only we could come up with a new graphic for their logo...

  25. Excel is not best suited for the job by lowwave · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I thumbed through the book but not impressed.
    The author probably has used excel as best as any one can in doing the task he intends. But for most of people, the effort to acquire the skill by reading the book is not well-spent, since one can probably learn other tools which really intended for scientific analysis.

    For statistic packages, R probably is much better, though I would prefer SAS. Try a huge data set (200MB, and put it in excel, your system will crawl before excel crashes, but in SAS, it will be really fast, and provide much more statistics. How much faith do you have in Excel's statistical function anyway?
    I don't.

    As for differential Equations, I would try matlab, if I really doing NA, I will choose netlib's packge anytime over Excel.

    One can know Excel really well, and bend it to do all kinds of job, but in the end, it can only do that much. you probably can use bash to write a trading system, but why bother?

  26. This is not Excel, its VBA by excelsior_gr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So according to the book, here's the recipe:
    1. Write your data analysis software in VBA
    2. Use the Excel cells, buttons, bells, and whistles for the I/O
    3. Profit!

    The math is actually irrelevant. Any computational mathematics book that respects itself uses pseudocode for the examples. If it is possible to program in one programming language it should be possible in any other language too.

    I tried it too, although I wasn't nearly as crazy to do any numerical computations in VBA. I wrote the program in pure good old Fortran 95, wrote some VBA scripts to read the Fortran ASCII output, and set everything else up in Excel that my boss liked (I'm a chemical engineer). There you go: it's fast to program, fast to run, easy to maintain.

    I would like to see anyone try to keep up with the Microsoft paraphernalia between VBA-Excel versions, if the whole thing is written in VBA. Not to mention the problems that I had with the locale when I tried to run the VBA code in a computer running a german version of Excel that had decided that the decimal point is there as a thousands separator and the comma was used as a decimal point. The setting for it in Excel was nowhere to be seen (I still haven't really figured it out. The central Windows setting seemed to have no influence on it, although I suppose it should) and 1.234 was then 1234 and 1.2E-02 was a character string. Oh, the pain... Thankfully, my *basic* Fortran part absolutely did not care, it just worked, and only the I/O needed to be reviewed.

    Try to send the program to a customer without knowing what kind of Excel version he is running. We had to go as far as Office 97 just to be sure, and there was still the problem with the locale. After a year, the I/O was useless, but who cares? It was only 1% of the code.

    I would still use Excel, but for nothing other than the most trivial tasks. There are wonderful libraries out there that work with Fortran and produce very nice graphs on the fly.

  27. I must disagree by dj245 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In my experience, excel is also rarely used for anything serious outside of US. Maybe its an indictment of how lazy, slow witted and easily misled our pool of talent is becoming.

    I recently spent some time in Japan in a design group for a large Japanese company. I was showed the massive spreadsheet used to calculate power plant capacity and consumption. I almost cried. The whole sheet was based upon one large circular reference. Nobody understood it and it referenced steam tables through a plugin but didn't show the output of these calculations.

    The US is not alone in using Excel for things it wasn't meant to do. Now please excuse me while I run a couple monte carlo simulations in Excel.

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  28. Re:incongruous ...I KNEW there was a reason by rugatero · · Score: 2

    Feeding the trolls is one thing - you're holding out a ham and calling "Here boy!".

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  29. I can't believe you people... by Cyclopedian · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Look at all those posts saying "Excel is not the right tool for this" or "When all you have is a hammer...". The point was not grokked by those folks.

    I'll lay it out for you, plain and simple:

    This book is like installing a linux kernel onto a wristwatch.

    We should be marvelling at the feat, not lambasting a tool that was "hacked" to do so much more than it is normally used for. If you can't appreciate that kind of work, maybe you should just stick to appreciating fine arts.

    1. Re:I can't believe you people... by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While some of us admire the author for doing something akin to fitting Linux on watch, some of the objectors are pointing out the watch still needs to accurately tell time. There are a number of papers that show how Excel does not have the accuracy necessary for detailed scientific analysis. Some things like random number generation are not implemented correctly. So back to the watch analogy, as long as the author clearly divulged that the watch only tells time accurately to the minute and is not waterproof, etc, I don't have a problem with it.

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  30. How do you know if a book was typeset using LaTeX? by frisket · · Score: 4, Informative

    > It had been years since I had seen a book typeset using LaTeX.

    The publishing industry (including my company) typesets books using LaTeX all the time. The reason you don't notice it (apart from the superior quality) is that it does its job of typesetting very well.

    If this book has been typeset using LaTeX then I'm a Dutchman, or something has gone very wrong (and I'd like the author to contact me to let me know what).

    Perhaps he was given faulty fonts, perhaps he was using a badly-written publisher's style, or perhaps he -- or his editor -- spent a long time making it look as bad as possible. Maybe OUP had it completely re-typeset in some other system without telling him. There are at least a dozen typographic faults in one paragraph alone, from unnecessary hyphenation to excessive word-spacing to bad math spacing, and LaTeX simply doesn't make those types of mistake unless you work very hard to introduce them manually.

    As a test I screenshot a random paragraph that I viewed in Amazon's "Look Inside" feature, and then retyped it in LaTeX and typeset it (PDF).

    As I don't have the book (and wouldn't understand it anyway :-) I'd be interested to know where the information came from that it was typeset with LaTeX; and if it really was done in LaTeX, I'd love to know WTF kind of style files, fonts, and preamble were used.

  31. Analysis and visualization by AlpineR · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Maybe some of the people yelling about how Excel is the wrong tool can give some advice for my scientific data analysis and visualization needs.

    I have simulations (written in C++ and Python) that spit out tab delimited data files. I then need to analyze that data, doing things like linear regression on subsets of the data and calculations to transform the raw data into something else for plotting.

    I have a Mac (with Windows XP in Parallels), I am not a student, and I don't have much budget ($500) for software. Currently I use a Mac program called Plot which is a little buggy and incomplete but has some nice plotting abilities. When I need a spreadsheet I use Apple's Numbers, but that seems sorely limited in abilities. What's a better tool for this job?