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Sysadmin Steals Almost 20,000 Pieces of Computer Equipment

coondoggie writes "Now this is some serious computer theft. We're talking 19,709 pieces of stolen computer equipment from the US Naval Research Laboratory in Washington, DC. The theft included everything from PCs and printer toner to hard drives, software and other office equipment amounting to over $120,000, according to court documents and published reports."

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  1. Impressive... most impressive... or not... by Xylaan · · Score: 5, Insightful
    That would be more impressive, until you realize the average value of each piece is $6.08.

    So my guess is a few big ticket items, and then lots and lots and LOTS of some small item.

  2. $6.08 per item! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The average cost of the items are:
    $120,000/19709 = $6.08

    So either the Navy is doing a *good* job of penny pinching with their part of the defense budget or that the person really like stealing stuff that are worthy of Walmart.

  3. Your Rights Online? by Milyardo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What does this have to do with YRO? That is, unless he stole the suff over SSH...

  4. Not much of a sentence by spyrochaete · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sentencing is set for December when Papagno could face up to two years in jail for the thefts.

    Seems pretty lenient considering this is a case of grand theft and potentially identity theft since there was information about contractors. It could also be construed, perhaps, as terrorism or treason considering the organization the equipment and data was stolen from.

    Contrast this with penalties for copying music over the internet. Is "Enter Sandman" a more valuable national resource than naval research equipment and data in Washington?

    1. Re:Not much of a sentence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It could also be construed, perhaps, as terrorism

      No, it couldn't.

  5. Re:Simple solution. Ask by viking099 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's a bad idea to give away excess merchandise to employees though. It can encourage people to intentionally overbuy products simply because they know it will be given to them when it doesn't sell.

    A better solution is to have someone box it all up and donate it, assuming it's something worth donating.

  6. Re:Searches on way out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I walked past the Apple Store in Chatswood (NSW) yesterday some time after closing time. The front of the store was all barred but I could see in easily, and there were several people inside who all looked to be Apple Store employees.

    It appeared to me, on the way past, that one of them was inspecting the backpack of another. So my guess is that all employees' bags are searched before they leave the store each day, to prevent them leaving with highly desirable iPhones and iMacs and stuff.

    Can't say I'd enjoy working in an environment where I get searched after every shift, but I can understand Apple's motivation to do so.

    The process can probably be subverted fairly easily. If they only check bags after store close, then remove the goods at lunch time instead, maybe in a pocket. Do like some previous posters have explained as the modus operandi for workplace thieves, and "disappear" items before removing them, to see if the loss goes unnoticed. Anyway no security process is ever foolproof, if the Apple process reduces employee theft to an acceptable level, then more power to them.

  7. a big deal by Goldsmith · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The next time some physicist is accused of misplacing (or selling) secret data, just remember this. NRL isn't just some lab somewhere, it's a military lab. While I'm sure this guy didn't want to go selling secrets anywhere, taking old hard drives can lose some scientists their jobs very easily.

  8. Re:It's wise... by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...to check if your boss is one of the people making use of the 'loophole' before going to report on him ;=)

    He wasn't in on it. I think it was more of an issue of my boss not wanting it to come down on his head. Safer to just play dumb about the whole thing than to actually acknowledge that there's a problem.

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  9. Re:That's actually a "low" guess. by mlwmohawk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hard drives are now $6.00? What did he grab? The MFM lying around? The drum over in the corner?

    The average estimated value of each item was $6.09. OK, what is a hard disk worth?

    I have 200G ATA hard disk, what is it worth? Seriously, what is it worth? It has two values, the "book" value which you use for accounting and things like insurance, and you have the "functional" value. The functional value is nothing, zip, nada. It was upgraded to a 500G gig. I don't need to 200G hard disk, there no point in putting it into a system as it uses more power than it is worth. I can get a "green" drive with 2 to 4 times the storage that will cost me less in a year of electricity.

    For me, I'll keep it in case I need to build a test system. For a big organization, it is actually best to let it "walk away" and take the deduction for loss.

  10. More likely ex-military spec by MindKata · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "were talking 'military spec' pencils"

    I know you're joking, but I was thinking something similar. Could it be ex-military spec junk hardware?. It could just be junk hardware that's getting thrown out (over a 10 year period), but is not officially signed off as allowed to be taken home as junk. From the paper trail it would look like the junk was still owned. Plus if people leave the organisation who allowed others to take some old junk home, then it would be hard to prove it was given away as rubbish. The paperwork would say it was still owned.

    Considering how they are (only) now starting to take security a lot more seriously, I'm wondering if they are making an example of this person, who's basically got a house and/or garage full of junk?. Plus a system admin working for them, would probably get access to a lot of junk old hardware. It could just be old rubbish, but to paranoid non-technical types, who are looking for demons to fear everywhere, they would see it as wrong, rather than just seeing some engineer collecting a lot of interesting looking rubbish, before it hits the rubbish bins.

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    1. Re:More likely ex-military spec by mlush · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "were talking 'military spec' pencils" I know you're joking, but I was thinking something similar. Could it be ex-military spec junk hardware?. It could just be junk hardware that's getting thrown out (over a 10 year period), but is not officially signed off as allowed to be taken home as junk. From the paper trail it would look like the junk was still owned.

      Could be, its very easy to get into the Magpie mindset when you see stacks of perfectly good hardware go to waste. and there is always a constant supply of /better stuff/ dropping down towards the wastebin

    2. Re:More likely ex-military spec by tsm_sf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      the military is notorious for replacing things that don't really need replacing so they can spend their budget rather than give it back and possibly get a smaller budget next year.

      That's not a phenomenon unique to the military. Any organization of a decent size will use this approach to budget management. Everyone knows how this works, everyone spends tons of cash on random crap at the end of their fiscal year (or what have you), and everyone sees this as inherently detrimental. You are (IMHO) an adult when you finally realize that everyone's a damn idiot. ((you are wise when you include yourself))

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    3. Re:More likely ex-military spec by hairyfeet · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes THEY usually do,they just rarely(if ever) bother to hand YOU anything. And what if Joe in IT forgot to file it before he quit/got fired? Can you remember which IT guy gave YOU parts x number of years ago? I get gear given to me all the time from little shops,SMBs,home users,etc because they know that I like to take older hardware and "recycle" it into something useful. Many get given to various charities,some as is,some re-purposed into an "appliance" by putting Puppy Linux on it with some databases set up in Open Office,etc. Could I tell you where every piece that has passed through my hands in the past 10 years came from? Could I show you receipts for all of them? I repeat: Hell no.

      That is the problem with a case like this: to outsiders who don't know how IT works ANY gear from where you work must be stolen. They don't understand that we IT guys get what those at work consider "junkers" all the time. The idea of someone just "giving" you working hardware is alien to them,because that kind of thing never happens to them. But we know what a home user consider useful and what a business considers useful is often two different things. To a home user a 2GHz single core server might be great,whereas to a business trying to run a decent load on it....not so much.

      Like I said,the poor guy is screwed,because nobody outside of IT will understand that so he will have to PROVE where every single piece came from and who gave him permission to take it. Good luck with that.

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  11. Doing it wrong then by TheLink · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you end up in jail you're doing it wrong.

    What you do is make LOTs of 120k loans even if you know they will never be repaid.

    Then you get a big bonus etc for doing so well. The bonus could be 120K?

    When stuff goes bad, you say "But everyone was doing it too". And everyone else nods their head in agreement.

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  12. Re:So True... by dissy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But if we can't find anyone willing to take them, they will be destroyed. :(

    What state/country are you in?

  13. Re:So True... by ArIck · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I know a charity who might be interested to buy it and save you form the pain of destroying it.

  14. Not too humble to beg... by JaBob · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I know of a combustion lab at a state university in NJ that wouldn't turn down a donation. Our lab advisor would rather use his money to make sure his grad students can eat rather than buy equipment that we don't absolutely need. It's actually been good for us because we've been forced to come up with creative solutions ourselves, rather than just buy equipment that would make the job easier. I'd understand if you turn down a cold-call beg for donations, but hey - it couldn't hurt to ask.