Air Force To Re-Open Pursuit of Cyber Command

GovTechGuy writes "Top Air Force leadership has decided to pursue forming a Cyber Command to defend Defense Department networks and to launch cyberattacks against foes, after putting the project on hold in August."

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Where do I apply?

[bhsx]

It's too bad these positions will, most definitely, be filled by military personnel. This would be a fun job to have for sure.
It's also a shame that we wont be able to read about their missions. I would assume all of this work will be highly classified.

Re:Where do I apply?

[Ethanol-fueled]

"...after putting the project on hold in August."

Because we being indecisive really, really scares the hell out of our enemies.[/sarcasm]

I guess nothing is secret in cyberspace and this flip-flop is no exception.

Re:Where do I apply?

[cayenne8]

"Knowing how computer-literate military personnel are, i'm pretty sure it wouldn't be that interesting"

Don't worry...the majority of these spots will likely be contractors. The govt. and DoD are largely OUT of the development and coding business...have been for years.

They don't build the systems...they just use them.

Re:Where do I apply?

[Dun Malg]

I hope the ethics hammered into the better class of military leaders (and I mean West Point, Annapolis, Air Force Academy graduates)

You think the ring-tappers* are the "better class of military leaders"? You've obviously never been in the military--- or are yourself a ring-tapper. They're the jackass political hacks that fill the halls of the pentagon with hare-brained ideas that fly in the face of reason**.

* so called for the annoying habit of many of them of spending too much time pointing out that they graduated from [W.Point|Annapolis|Colo Spgs], and not enough time demonstrating the leadership skills they (supposedly) learned there. Specifically refers to the practice of tapping the academy grad ring against stuff, as if by idle habit, in order to draw attention to it.

** Two classic examples: the Army Combat Uniform for the Army and the Airman Battle Uniform for the Air Force:

The Army spent millions working with the US Army Natick Labs and outside contractors like Crye Precision to develop a truly universal camouflage. One result of that was Crye MultiCam. Unfortunately, some asshat ring-tapper general decided to go with the current ACU pattern because the other patterns weren't "digital", like the Marines have.

In the case of the Airman Battle Uniform, the original pattern was to be tiger stripe with dark blue stripes! Some chair-bound rig tapper hack AF general and his yes-men at the Pentagon decided that the Air Force didn't really need effective camouflage, as airmen don't go into combat. During testing, it was pointed out to them by the airmen testing that yes, many of them do go into combat, so a useful camouflage might be better, thank you very fucking much. Fortunately, they listened to reason and modified it to a more sensible gray stripe. Sadly, they totally ignored requests to make its pockets/collar/etc similar to the much improved Army ACU, and subsequently those poor Air Force slobs are still walking around in the same crappy uniform we all wore in the 80's, only in a different color. Well, OK, the AF wore the outdated olive drab "pickle suit" the Army and USMC dumped in '82 until 1988, so I guess this is just par for the course.

Re:Where do I apply?

[lysergic.acid]

isn't it funny that the cloak-and-dagger-types always think that they're saving the world, but all they're really doing is fighting the cloak-and-dagger-types from other countries (who also share the same messianic complex).

the whole "we need to spy on other countries because they're spying on us" mentality is very similar to the saying, people who steal always assume that everyone else steals. in the end this attitude simply creates a more hostile world, damaging international relations.

the constant arms escalation in the name of "national defense" hasn't made the world any safer. imagine how much we could have achieved if instead of participating in the global arms race, all the various nations had simply gotten together in the spirit of global cooperation to achieve some shared goal--like space exploration, medical research, etc. or even if we'd just spent those resources on things that would improve the quality of living of the average American.

im in

[Anonymous Coward]

and they can pay me in weed and hot pockets.

Why don't they just hire media defener

[nobodylocalhost]

All they want are DDOS kiddies right? They might as well do something useful with that company, such as defending the nation instead of letting it attack our citizens.

USAF Cyber Attack Procedures Manual [TOP SECRET]

[docstrange]

Excerpt from USAF Cyber Attack Procedures Manual [TOP SECRET]

1. Identify Target Website
2. Submit Story to Slashdot
3. Call Commander Taco on Red Phone
4. Slashdot Story on Terrorist Interwebs Published
5. Denial of Service Complete

Re:I Hope Cyber Command Comes Back

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm a net admin/computer guy (3C0)... ...civilians are taking my traditional job of network administration away

If you mean you are 3C0x1 - ComOps - that is because most of you were complete idiots when I was in. And judging from the x2's that were coming in the door as I was leaving, I doubt your field has got much better.

Re:USAF Cyber Attack Procedures Manual [TOP SECRET

[halsver]

SPAM THE F5 KEY SOLDIER! The lives of you and your family depend on it!

Re:This is a mistake

[Chris Burke]

Yeah, I often get the common words "command" and "dyne" confused as well...

Don't bother applying, you'll just load missiles..

[Crazy Taco]

It's too bad these positions will, most definitely, be filled by military personnel.

That is a shame. However, it's not the saddest part of this story. The saddest part of this story is the boneheaded way the Air Force fills positions... it will probably make this a command not worth working in, and not as effective as it could be. The real problem is that the Air Force, and other branches of the military, tend to treat people as interchangeable, identical cogs, rather than individuals with aptitudes, skills, and backgrounds that vary widely.

Backstory: I actually did try to apply for this command. My background is this: I have two bachelor's degrees, one in computer science, and one in computer engineering, both with distinction. During college, I specialized in information security and showed a great deal of aptitude for it. I was offered jobs by both the NSA and CIA, and was OKed for the highest level of clearance.

So I hear about this thing with the Air Force, and I thought, "Man, that sounds interesting, and I know I can do it." So I talked to one of the recruiters online and told him I'd be happy to serve my country and be happy to join the Air Force, but I told him I had some unique abilities I could give them and asked him if I could enlist into that command.

And he told me no. He told me I would be placed according to the needs of the Air Force, basically wherever they felt like it. They would not take any look at my background at all. The likelihood that I would be just a laborer loading missiles (I use missile loading as an example) onto a jet was higher than me being put in the Cyber Command, despite my advanced background. And it was also just as likely that they would grab some random missile loader and stick him in the command, assuming they can "train him into it" just like they train someone to operate a radio.

So needless to say, I passed on that opportunity. If our country were being attacked and missile loaders were the thing we most needed, I would be happy to serve, so don't get me wrong. But given how things are today, I'm not going to join the Air Force and let them squander my skills. That's not good for either me or them, because they don't get all of my skilled potential, and I don't get to contribute everything I can. So they can go find some other grunt to load missiles, and someday, if they actually acknowledge that some people are better suited for a job than others, I'll be around. But if they insist on being blind to the differences between individuals and wasting much of the talent in their organization, then I won't ever serve with them (except perhaps in critical wartime).

Re:Hey!

[_Sprocket_]

Why is the parent post modded funny?

Sorry - that information is on a need-to-know basis.

Re:I Hope Cyber Command Comes Back

[Anonymous Coward]

bhsx (458600):

It's too bad these positions will, most definitely, be filled by military personnel. This would be a fun job to have for sure.

BigDork1001 (683341):

I just hope they don't give all the good slots to civilians.

Wow, you two are a match made in pessimist's heaven. You meet up some time and expect the worst together.

Re:Huhwha?

[Nefarious Wheel]

Why does the Navy have its own pilots, for instance? Why can't they train Air Force pilots to work with the Navy?

Air Force runways stay put, for one thing.

Re:Don't bother applying, you'll just load missile

[Dun Malg]

With two baccalaureate degrees you need to be talking to an officer recruiter--not enlisted.

Doesn't really work like that. You're probably thinking of ROTC. ROTC gets you a degree in (something), with a minor in Military Management. The only folks who get officer commissions based on their education are doctors and dentists. Just having a degree in (something) will only get you in as an enlisted man at pay grade E-3 instead of the usual E-1.