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Steve Jobs Patents "The Dock"

theodp writes "If you're a PC, you may be unfamiliar with The Dock, the bar of icons that sits at the bottom or side of a Mac and provides easy access to Apple applications. But don't count on it becoming a standard on the PC. On Tuesday, the USPTO awarded Apple — and inventor Steve Jobs — a patent for their User Interface for Providing Consolidation and Access, aka 'The Dock,' after a rather lengthy nine-year wait."

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  1. CDE? by goaliemn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    you have to be kidding.. CDE has had this for years, if not decades..

    1. Re:CDE? by furball · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You mean NextStep has had this for years, if not decades.

    2. Re:CDE? by moro_666 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      PC. On Tuesday, the USPTO awarded Apple â" and inventor Steve Jobs â" a patent for their User Interface for Providing Consolidation and Access, aka 'The Dock', after a rather lengthy nine-year wait."

      Didn't everyone already have a dock 9 years ago ?

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    3. Re:CDE? by Froze · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I can recall using CDE on an AIX box just over ten years ago. It was a well established part of the interface at that time. Anyone actually know the inception date of CDE's dock?

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    4. Re:CDE? by GauteL · · Score: 5, Informative

      CDE came out in 1993. The MacOS dock has its origin in NeXT who was later purchased by Apple, leading to Steve Jobs coming back to Apple.

      Nextstep was first released in 1989 with previews all the way back to 1986 (according to Wikipedia anyway).

      Thus, Nextstep does seem to preceed CDE by quite a few years and with NeXT Apple purchased these IP rights.

      What this means for other OSes and Dock implementations I don't know.

    5. Re:CDE? by Henriok · · Score: 5, Informative

      Patent application #5146556 from 1992 is clearly the precursor to the Dock. Filed by Steve Jobs et al, while at NeXT.

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    6. Re:CDE? by electrictroy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Don't PCs already have a dock? "The bar of icons that sits at the bottom or side of a Mac and provides easy access to Apple applications."

      The sounds like a description of the start menu, and its corresponding bar.
      Hmmm.
      I wonder why Jobs did not patent the Trashcan/recycle bin utility?

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    7. Re:CDE? by speedtux · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Thus, Nextstep does seem to preceed CDE by quite a few years and with NeXT Apple purchased these IP rights.

      "These" IP rights? What IP rights would that be? Even if NeXT had been the first company to do this in the 80's, they would have had to apply for patents then, not more than a decade later.

      Second, there were equivalent constructions for X and Smalltalk. Oh, and in case you were wondering, both of those predated NeXT and NeXT liberally copied from both of them.

    8. Re:CDE? by clone53421 · · Score: 5, Informative

      more like the quick launch bar...which granted appeared only in XP.

      More like Windows 95...

      Adding Applications to Internet Explorer 4.0's Quick Launch Toolbar

      Inside Microsoft Windows 95

      A publication of The Cobb Group

      Published March 1998

      If you've installed Internet Explorer 4.0, you've probably noticed the new Quick Launch toolbar sitting between the Start button and the taskbar, as shown in Figure A. The icons on this handy toolbar make it very easy to launch some of Internet Explorer's applications. Once you get in the habit of using the Quick Launch toolbar, you'll quickly appreciate its convenience and efficiency. [...]

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    9. Re:CDE? by hotfireball · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not really. It was in NeXTSTEP yet in 1987 and earlier...

    10. Re:CDE? by mollymoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Don't PCs already have a dock? "The bar of icons that sits at the bottom or side of a Mac and provides easy access to Apple applications."

      The sounds like a description of the start menu, and its corresponding bar.

      Yes it does. There are bazillions of patents with similar names because they cover similar subjects. With only a brief description of a patent it's impossible to know whether it is indeed novel. Fortunately, patents are more than a brief description. The Dock patent does into great detail covering the magnification feature. It's easy to trash a patent by looking at the title and saying "it's been done before". But when you actually read it, it becomes a bit less obvious the novel things the patent claims have actually been done before. Does Claim 120 ring any bells?:

      120. The method of claim 117 wherein each icon is displayed within a corresponding tile area having two opposite edges that are respectively located at distances d.sub.1 and d.sub.2 from said cursor, and said other icons are magnified by the factor 1+(d.sub.2'-d.sub.1')/(d.sub.2-d.sub.1), where: d.sub.1=S.times.sine(.pi./2.times.d.sub.1/W) and d.sub.2'=S.times.sine(.pi./2.times.d.sub.2/W), where W is equal to said defined distance, and (S=((H-h)/2)/sine(.pi..times.(h/2)/(W.times.2)), where H is a magnified size for one dimension of said one icon, and h is a default display size for said one dimension.

      That's some details of how that nice "hump" is generated when you use the magnification feature. Had you seen specifically that before 1999?

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    11. Re:CDE? by BlueStrat · · Score: 4, Funny

      PC. On Tuesday, the USPTO awarded Apple â" and inventor Steve Jobs â" a patent for their User Interface for Providing Consolidation and Access, aka 'The Dock', after a rather lengthy nine-year wait."

      Didn't everyone already have a dock 9 years ago ?

      Actually, I believe it's much longer ago than that. Otis Redding has prior art on that one.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzrXc68gNjQ

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/(Sittin'_on)_the_Dock_of_the_Bay

      I know, I know, but what a great old song though. Just thought I'd add a little humor to a dry discussion and a little music to everyones' day. :)

      Cheers!

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    12. Re:CDE? by IRGlover · · Score: 3, Informative

      Your quest begins in the folder options dialog, where you'll need to expose a double hidden/system folder, buried in the depths of your Application Data.

      Or you could just right click the quick launch area and select 'Open Folder'. You're choice really.

    13. Re:CDE? by painandgreed · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The sounds like a description of the start menu, and its corresponding bar. Hmmm.

      I wonder why Jobs did not patent the Trashcan/recycle bin utility?

      You mean the Apple menu and it's associated bar? As it was pretty much taken directly from the MacOS. There were plenty of other similarities like how holding the shift key down during boot would turn off extensions/go into safe mode. IIRC, they copied Win95 from the MacOS so closely they managed to get some of the bugs in there also.

      Jobs should have patented it so that MS wouldn't have copied it when they made Win95. Perhaps he's learned his lesson?

    14. Re:CDE? by spazdor · · Score: 5, Funny

      You're choice really.

      Why, you're right? I am choice!

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  2. The Death of Y'z Dock by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Informative

    I don't think this was covered on Slashdot and I wish I could find a better citation than this but it's been said that Apple has threatened makers of "docks" for PCs with lawsuits. I can't verify that but I do know that I downloaded and installed a beta program called Y'z Dock which was developed by a now defunct crew.

    The Y'z Dock software was really really slick and very comparable to Apple's. You can still find the beta distros on pages like Fileforum and other third party hosters (I won't link because you will have to use those at your own risk).

    I don't think anyone in the community ever thought they could get away with mimicking the dock ... but my default response to software patents is that they're broken. Those of you that use Windows will never know the dock because Steve Jobs doesn't want it that way. Also, I'm kind of pissed that "a PC" means Windows ... it means personal computer, does it not? Isn't my Linux machine a personal computer? I hate that. But that's a totally offtopic rant triggered by marketing from all camps.

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    1. Re:The Death of Y'z Dock by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This is probably actually a move to advance that agenda--Apple's paranoia about its software running on generic hardware actually extends to any representation of its interface running on generic hardware. There have been about a dozen Windows dock applications under various names, many of which have gotten cease-and-desist orders. Aqua-Soft has been something of a hub for this kind of stuff in the past, and their various policies and histories are very prominent indirect evidence of exactly what the landscape looks like. (They used to host things more directly, if I recall.)

      I wonder if StarDock will come under fire for ObjectDock.

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    2. Re:The Death of Y'z Dock by Joe+U · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't know why that went out of style

      It completely went out of style when:

      Hi, I'm a Mac.
      And I'm a PC.

  3. Oh.. you mean the Quick Start Bar? by AnswerIs42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You know, that area on the windows tool bar that gives you quick access to applications? Been there since Windows95 I think..

    1. Re:Oh.. you mean the Quick Start Bar? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Interesting

      No, he means the 'system tray', which is the closest equivalent to 'the dock' that exists on Windows. 'The dock' has been part of the Macintosh OS and user interface since its introduction in 1984. There have been plenty of imitators, such as the GNOME System Notification Area and The Windows 9x System Tray and the 'dock area' in so many other environments -- KDE, NeXTStep, OpenStep/GNUStep, XFCE, CDE, etc., but I don't think any of them predate the Mac's 'dock'.

    2. Re:Oh.. you mean the Quick Start Bar? by Trent+Hawkins · · Score: 3, Funny

      You know, that area on the windows tool bar that gives you quick access to applications? Been there since Windows95 I think..

      ooh! can Microsoft patent the icon? How bout right click? Well, I'm sure everyone can agree that they can patent the "crash".

    3. Re:Oh.. you mean the Quick Start Bar? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Windows doesn't have any widget that gives you access to both running apps and common apps in the same place. A task bar combined with a quick launch bar is slightly different, as you'll end up with 2 icons for something launched from the quick launch bar, one representing the running app, and the other prepared to launch another instance. Mac's interface is different from windows.

    4. Re:Oh.. you mean the Quick Start Bar? by clone53421 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's an awfully trivial difference.

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    5. Re:Oh.. you mean the Quick Start Bar? by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually, I base all my purchasing decisions on what John Hodgman tells me. Though this has led me astray many, many times; I still trust his judgment. He is an expert, after all.

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    6. Re:Oh.. you mean the Quick Start Bar? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's an awfully trivial difference.

      Not in patent-land.

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    7. Re:Oh.. you mean the Quick Start Bar? by CountBrass · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not in usability land either. It's those kind of small difference that are found throughout OSX make the difference between an average UI and a great one.

      Yes I know OSX isn't perfect (I can rant for days about the awfulness of Safari) but to paraphrase Winston Churchill: OSX is the worst operating system, except for all of the others.

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    8. Re:Oh.. you mean the Quick Start Bar? by CountBrass · · Score: 4, Informative

      You've never actually seen OSX have you? The OSX dock has short cuts to apps, shows running apps and can also show/browse folders (by default Documents and Downloads). Running apps can even show information through their icon (eg iPulse).

      All in one place.

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    9. Re:Oh.. you mean the Quick Start Bar? by thepotoo · · Score: 4, Insightful
      What? That's ridiculous logic. I've used the dock on OS X (a little bit, anyway) and it's wonderful, except that you can't tell if something is running or not.

      If I glance at the KDE bar under the browser window right now, I can see a couple of PDFs, my Thunderbird Inbox, and Firefox open to Slashdot. In a separate area, I can see commonly used stuff that could be open but isn't right now (Konsole, Ktorrent, KVpnc, and Amarok).

      Tell me, why is it better to have these bunched together into a single menu where you can't differentiate what's open and what isn't?

      P.S. I bet I hit -1, Flamebait in less than 2 minutes for this, but I'm asking an honest question and would appreciate an well-thought-out answer from someone.

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    10. Re:Oh.. you mean the Quick Start Bar? by tgd · · Score: 4, Informative

      I don't mean to pick on you in particular in this story, but you're the first post I ran across I could reply about this to.

      Every single person on here talking about prior art, prior patents, the quick start bar or any of a dozen other things among the responses to this story clearly have never written, or had to read or evaluate a patent before.

      If you don't know how to read a patent (and there are *very* specific ways that the description relates to both independent and dependent claims), then you really have no idea what you're talking about when you start talking about prior art.

      And FYI, the quick start bar is not prior art for the independent claims being made in this patent.

      Its one thing to criticize software patents in general, but you shouldn't get specific with criticisms unless you know what you're talking about... it weakens the arguments you may be making.

    11. Re:Oh.. you mean the Quick Start Bar? by niklask · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What? That's ridiculous logic. I've used the dock on OS X (a little bit, anyway) and it's wonderful, except that you can't tell if something is running or not.

      And here I thought the little shiny "blob" under the icon indicated a running app in MacOS X.

    12. Re:Oh.. you mean the Quick Start Bar? by caluml · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've started using AWN at work. And although I'm not a Mac-ite - you know what? It makes sense.
      Why (in Windows, KDE, etc) is there a place to start a program (Menu, QuickLaunch), and a different place to maximise it from, see where it's running? Answer me that?
      When I click the Firefox icon on the AWN dock, I'm saying "I want Firefox". I don't care if it's not running, and has to start a new one, or if there's one already running it can bring up. I just want Firefox to appear in front of me. Same for Thunderbird, PSI, Last.FM, Amarok, whatever.

      So yes, actually, docks make a lot of sense for apps that you only ever have 1 instance of. Like most of them. Terminals, etc - sure - that's different. And FWIW, I just have a Terminal quicklaunch set up to spawn as many as I need.

    13. Re:Oh.. you mean the Quick Start Bar? by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 3, Funny

      In my Dock there are little indicators that tell you if an app is running or not. Maybe you need glasses?

    14. Re:Oh.. you mean the Quick Start Bar? by carou · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Tell me, why is it better to have these bunched together into a single menu where you can't differentiate what's open and what isn't?

      In many ways, it doesn't matter whether an application is currently running or not.

      You want to use it? You click on it.

      The advantage is that it's in the same place every time, whether running or not. Sure, if it needs to launch the application then you might have a delay for a few seconds first, but otherwise the resulting behaviour should be pretty similar in both cases. (i.e. if a text editing application is running but has no windows open, then clicking on it in the dock will open a new window - just as opening the application would. The HIG documents mandate this.)

      If background applications are intelligent about not using CPU time, and the OS is clever about paging out unused code - then there's little reason you should ever need to quit an application. It therefore makes little sense of Apple to optimize their UI for two different cases, when a simplified version will handle both adequately.

  4. Re:I havent seen Apple's version by onecheapgeek · · Score: 4, Informative

    Reading the patent, it specifices a magnification effect on the icon the mouse is over.

  5. Another example of prior art. by B5_geek · · Score: 3, Informative

    Another example of prior art is HP's Dashboard. (It was a 'Program Manager' replacement for Windows 3.1. It's main design hurdle was that it was in the middle of the screen and thus you had to either keep minimizing apps, or resize them around the center program launcher if you wanted to quickly swap around to different applications. Once you got around it's quirks if was a very fine piece of software for its time.

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  6. The worst part is by Shin-LaC · · Score: 5, Funny

    Inventors: Ording; Bas (Sunnyvale, CA), Jobs; Steven P. (Palo Alto, CA), Lindsay; Donald J. (Mountain View, CA)

    Since when does the comma take precedence over the semicolon? Normally, that would be read as a list of four items: Ording, Jobs Bas, Lindsay Steven P., and Donald J. The fact that such vile abuse of punctuation is standard as the USPTO is irrefutable proof that the entire institution is corrupt.

  7. Not a patent on the dock by larry+bagina · · Score: 5, Informative

    Can you even bother to read the abstract?

    To provide greater access and consolidation to frequently used items in the graphical user interface, a userbar is established which includes a plurality of item representations.

    Not the patentable part...

    To permit a greater number of items to reside in the userbar, a magnification function can be provided which magnifies items within the userbar when they are proximate the cursor associated with the graphical user interface.

    Ah, yes, there we go. The patent is for rollover magnification of the items in the dock.

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    1. Re:Not a patent on the dock by Stan+Vassilev · · Score: 3, Interesting

      To permit a greater number of items to reside in the userbar, a magnification function can be provided which magnifies items within the userbar when they are proximate the cursor associated with the graphical user interface.

      Ah, yes, there we go. The patent is for rollover magnification of the items in the dock.

      This concept is also old as the world. You can find a myriad of, for example, Flash UI-s and experiments on the web as early as 1996-8 that offer all kinds of navigation via "lens zoom" when you hover.

      But I guess the irony comes from the fact that kind of zoom is a usability disaster, and Apple themselves have disabled it by default on Leopard.

  8. Re:I havent seen Apple's version by Jason+Levine · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So basically, CSS Dock is now illegal despite the fact that it is just JavaScript (written using jQuery) and CSS? Great. Now when I'm doing web development, I need to make sure I'm not stepping on the patents of people in completely different arenas.

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  9. RTFP by argent · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well, yes, Steve Jobs (ever heard of him?) introduced the Dock at NeXT almost 20 years ago.

    This patent is for the annoying magnification effect that was added in OS X only 10 years ago.

  10. Good! by pmontra · · Score: 5, Funny

    Good! That row of icons that I never liked will be relegated to the Apple desktop and won't clutter anymore the screens of any other OS :-)

  11. Actually, they already have. by littleghoti · · Score: 4, Informative
  12. What the patent covers by radarjd · · Score: 5, Informative
    Here are the patent's independent claims:

    1. A computer system comprising: a display; a cursor for pointing to a position within said display; a bar rendered on said display and having a plurality of tiles associated therewith; and a processor for varying a size of at least one of said plurality of tiles on said display when said cursor is proximate said bar on said display and for repositioning others of said plurality of tiles along said bar to accommodate the varied size of said one tile.

    Roughly, increasing the size of the icon which the mouse is over, and repositioning icons around it.

    36. A computer system comprising: a display; a cursor for pointing to a position within said display; a userbar rendered on said display and having a plurality of tiles associated therewith; and a processor for varying a position of at least one of said plurality of tiles on said display when said cursor is proximate said bar on said display, in accordance with a predefined relationship between an effect width W, a default height h of said at least one of said plurality of tiles and a selected maximum height H of said at least one of said plurality of tiles wherein said predefined relationship includes a function S defined as: S=((H-h)/2)/sine(.pi..times.(h+2)/(W.times.2)).

    Roughly, a bar in a gui where the position of icons nearby the mouse is modified according to the formula given.

    65. A computer system comprising: a display; a cursor for pointing to a position within said display; a userbar rendered on said display and having a plurality of tiles associated therewith; and a processor for varying a position of at least one of said plurality of tiles on said display when said cursor is proximate said bar on said display, wherein said processor displays a label associated with said at least one of said plurality of tiles with a first predetermined fade-in rate when said cursor moves proximate said at least one of said plurality of tiles from another of said plurality of tiles, and with a second predetermined fade-in rate when said cursor moves proximate said at least one of said plurality of tiles from outside a region associated with said userbar.

    Roughly, displaying the name of a program (by fading it in) when you run the mouse over the associated icon from outside the dock.

    67. A computer system comprising: a display; a cursor for pointing to a position within said display; a userbar rendered on said display and having a plurality of tiles associated therewith; and a processor for varying a position of at least one of said plurality of tiles on said display when said cursor is proximate said bar on said display, wherein said processor displays a label associated with said at least one of said plurality of tiles with a first predetermined fade-in rate when said cursor moves proximate said at least one of said plurality of tiles from another of said plurality of tiles, and wherein said processor fades out said label when said cursor moves away from said at least one of said plurality of tiles using a first fade out rate when said cursor moves into another of said at least one of said plurality of tiles, and using a second fade out rate when said cursor moves out of a region associated with said bar.

    Roughly, displaying the name of a program (by fading it in) when you run the mouse over the associated icon from another icon.

    69. A method for displaying items in a graphical user interface comprising the steps of: providing a plurality of said items in a region of said graphical user interface, each of said items having a default height associated therewith; moving a cursor along said region; and selectively magnifying at least one of said items closest to said cursor to a first level and magnifying items proximate to said one item to other levels less than said first level.

  13. LISTEN...some of you are not paying attention by somethingwicked · · Score: 4, Funny

    Key pieces of this story:

    It's Apple.
    It's Jobs.

    It's therefore NOT eligible for scrutiny.

    Move along...

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  14. OH NOES! by Aphoxema · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Oh shit! This means we can't have icons both showing a task that can be opened and one that already is in one icon!

    Oh well! I'm not sure how we'll survive, but those crazy developers are pretty resourceful, I'm sure we'll find some other way to launch applications and check if they're still open later.

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  15. What about RISC OS's 'icon bar'? by Isvara · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I guess they're patenting the dynamically-sized bar. Acorn's RISC OS came out in 1989, and it had an icon bar for applications and devices. Arthur before it (1987) had one too. The only difference is that they were always full-screen-width.

  16. So what if it's trivial? by tepples · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's an awfully trivial difference.

    Which is exactly what makes it patentable in the United States.

  17. Apple is vicious by ProzacPatient · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I fear what this could mean for other operating systems because Apple has a reputation for being rather zealous about their software patents; as Microsoft might remember.
    I don't know if anybody else remembers Apple's patent frenzy on people who used a 'Recycle Bin', let alone an entire GUI.

    On a side note; in KDE you can simulate a dock by sizing your taskbar to 50% and putting nothing but icons in it and then enabling the KDE menu on the top, it'll look just like a Mac desktop.

  18. Re:It's just a ripoff of OS/2 Warp... by CountBrass · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm a Mac user and I do use magnification because it lets me shrink the Dock but the magnification means I can mouse-over and quickly find what I need. I also have auto-hiding on. Minimises the space it takes up on the desktop whilst maximising readability.

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  19. o_0 by David+Gerard · · Score: 3, Funny

    Good Lord, Steve. Just patent PURE SHINY EVIL and be done with it.

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  20. Re:More like windows 3.1 by deniable · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, in 3.1 you could have 'MOM' the Microsoft Office Manager, that was a bar that sat at the top of the screen with icons to launch Office apps. It was part of Office, not Windows, but it's been around for a while. In Office 95 they replace it with a bar that could dock with the side of the screen like another task bar.

    Thanks for the flashbacks. I forget how long I've been doing this sometimes.

  21. How Specific is the Patent? by mrpacmanjel · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have just had a look at the patent and it seems to be *how* the "dock" is *presented*.

    E.g. the patent constantly mentions things like *fading-in* the program name over a "tile" (icon?), *magnification* of a tile and it uses the term "bar" instead of "dock". The patent even specifies formulas!

    Does this mean that a "dock" can be implemented by using different "effects" and formulas?

    Also, the "magnification" seems to be specifically defined in the patent. I'm sure there are other ways this can be done without "violating" the patent.

    Certain parts of the patent seem very narrow. It seems to cover direct clones of the Mac "dock".

    If this is the case then this seems to be an expensive patent for a trivial issue.

  22. Re:More like windows 3.1 by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I personally think that this is just a good example of how patents and copyrights passed the offramp to sanity a few miles back. You have MSFT patenting the double click(or as my home users call it "Clicky Clicky") you have Amazon patenting the single click,and now Apple has jumped on the crazy train. It has already gotten to be a minefield when it comes to patents and copyrights and I don't think anyone in their right mind would say that either promotes the arts and encourages innovation. What we need is serious reform or the USA is going to be left out of the 21st century as all the innovation goes to countries that don't have the minefields of patents and copyrights to navigate.

    And for those on Windows who wouldn't mind a quick,easy,low resource dock of their own I'd suggest they snatch a copy of Rocketdock before Apple ends up killing it over this patent. They have plenty of addons and icons and skins to customize it your way and it runs really nice.

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  23. No dock... by shmlco · · Score: 3, Informative

    "The dock has been part of the Macintosh OS and user interface since its introduction in 1984."

    Uh. No. The 1984 Mac (which I owned and for which I also wrote software) most certainly did NOT have a dock. It had menus and windows and desktop icons... but no dock.

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  24. Re:More like windows 3.1 by Culture20 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ugh, I hated that Office toolbar, and how everyone would put it on the right side, hidden. Go to scroll on someone else's PC: Surprise! Office Toolbar! Go to the upper right hand to close an application: Surprise! Office Toolbar!

  25. Re:My Prior Art by aristotle-dude · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sorry but the Dock comes from NeXTStep which was demoed in 1987 and shipped in 1989 by NeXT Inc which was started by Steve Jobs after he was forced out of Apple. Later, NeXT was bought out by Apple and Steve Jobs returned to Apple as acting CEO.

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    Jesus was a compassionate social conservative who called individuals to sin no more.
  26. Re:More like windows 3.1 by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Insightful

    FYI I did RTFA,and where exactly did I say ANYTHING about putting icons on the desktop? Hell you made me reread my own post three times because I thought sure I must have missed something or been unclear,but nope,nowhere is there anything about icons on the desktop.

    The simple facts are these: patents and copyrights have gotten insane and any large corporation needs to build up a "defensive" portfolio just to protect themselves from troll corporations and submarine patents. It is also stifling innovation because the little inventors out there simply don't have the $$$ to navigate the minefield. As for other countries see India and China which both are a lot more lax when it comes to copyrights and patents of those outside their borders. We have destroyed our manufacturing base thanks to outsourcing and it know looks like we are going to bet the entire country on "IP" which can easily be copied and cloned for next to nothing. This is a BAD idea. And I doubt seriously that you can find anyone that isn't a patent or copyright lawyer that thinks the insanity of patents along with the eternal copyrights are anything but a BAD idea.

    But go ahead,insult me all you want. That doesn't make the onslaught of patents we have been seeing coming out of USPTO anything but nuts. Oh and let us not forget the recent waves of "ON THE INTERNET!" patents. Like doing commerce ON THE INTERNET! or watching a video ON THE INTERNET! It seems like you can patent any previous idea by simply adding ON THE INTERNET to it. But I'm sure that most of us agree that patents and copyrights are both LONG overdue for serious reforms. Sadly until we can find a way to reform our congress critters so they'll stop going "How much money? Really?" and selling us out like a bunch of cheap whores I seriously doubt we'll be seeing any real reforms from either side of the isle.

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